Brits don't dope?

[Nellyspania]

The British fantasy is to expel all countries from the Olympics apart from themselves. This in effect happened about twenty or so years ago following an African boycott of the Commonwealth games and everyone had a great time as England won every gold. Funniest championships I can remember.

Everyone was too busy squirming with embarrassment to 'have a great time'

 

[Brullnux]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34785562

lol.

Discuss.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34785562

lol.

Discuss.

Correct point, that UKAD handled the in competition testing during the Olympics.

As anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about doping knows, IC is merely an intelligence test for lazy/crazy dopers.

OOC testing is where the big gains occur, and that was controlled by RUSADA.


So its pure deflection.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34785562

lol.

Discuss.

Correct point, that UKAD handled the in competition testing during the Olympics.

As anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about doping knows, IC is merely an intelligence test for lazy/crazy dopers.

OOC testing is where the big gains occur, and that was controlled by RUSADA.

So its pure deflection.

Not necessarily true.

Depends if the PED is detectable, whether it is used in competition.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Good point Benotti

but if it isn't detectable, (either by design or by lack of validated test) then no amount of testing will find it.

It still just deflection from Russia in this instance though.

 

[buckle]

The British fantasy is to expel all countries from the Olympics apart from themselves. This in effect happened about twenty or so years ago following an African boycott of the Commonwealth games and everyone had a great time as England won every gold. Funniest championships I can remember.

Everyone was too busy squirming with embarrassment to 'have a great time'

Not at all. The Brits loved it. Just as they love Paula, Mo and "Froomey".

 

[Nellyspania]

The British fantasy is to expel all countries from the Olympics apart from themselves. This in effect happened about twenty or so years ago following an African boycott of the Commonwealth games and everyone had a great time as England won every gold. Funniest championships I can remember.

Everyone was too busy squirming with embarrassment to 'have a great time'

Not at all. The Brits loved it. Just as they love Paula, Mo and "Froomey".

Hmmm, maybe thinking you need to differentiate between 'Brits' with a conscience and 'Brits' without; the embarrassment of the conscientious was mainly due to the Thatcher government refusing to do the decent thing and sever sporting ties with South Africa.
Even the most meat-headed sports fan was aware that the medals table was skewed due to half the nations not turning up.

 

[buckle]

The British fantasy is to expel all countries from the Olympics apart from themselves. This in effect happened about twenty or so years ago following an African boycott of the Commonwealth games and everyone had a great time as England won every gold. Funniest championships I can remember.

Everyone was too busy squirming with embarrassment to 'have a great time'

Not at all. The Brits loved it. Just as they love Paula, Mo and "Froomey".

Hmmm, maybe thinking you need to differentiate between 'Brits' with a conscience and 'Brits' without; the embarrassment of the conscientious was mainly due to the Thatcher government refusing to do the decent thing and sever sporting ties with South Africa.
Even the most meat-headed sports fan was aware that the medals table was skewed due to half the nations not turning up.

Yes, I forget that during the 1980's British morality consisted of hating South African whites (and still does somewhat bizarrely). As opposed to loving smiley Kenyans who never dope or those "cool running" Jamaicans.

 

[The Carrot]

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

genius
and proof blackcat third person was right all along

Gordonstoun: No Ordinary School

Sky 1 gains exclusive access to one of the UK's most exclusive public schools in an eye-opening new six-part documentary.

Famously attended by royalty including Prince Philip and Prince Charles, the mighty Scottish independent school of Gordonstoun becomes the focus of a six-part observational documentary charting the extraordinary lives of the children who learn and thrive in two of its nine boarding houses.

Built on the motto that 'there is more in you', the school expects its pupils to push themselves physically: training for real responsibility in the Grampian Fire and Rescue Service or Mountain Rescue.

But beyond its renowned focus on the outdoors, teenagers will be teenagers, and the highs, lows, feats and failures of its boarders are captured in fascinating detail here too.

In the first episode, the school reopens its doors following the summer to a nervous new intake and returning students.

Thrown straight into life and learning 'the Gordonstoun way', the year nines embark on their first demanding 'exped', a wet and windy overnight camping trip in the glen, while the school band prepares to honour Prince Philip's visit to the school with a musical performance.

 

[The Carrot]

Here's a doping Brit: Spencer Matthews

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3328336/Spencer-Matthews-reveals-steroid-addiction-blame-decision-exit-m-Celebrity-just-THREE-days.html

He only dopes to look (reasonably) good.

My point is that Steroids are rife in British Society. Here's another story:

http://news.sky.com/story/1403431/one-million-britons-may-use-steroids-regularly

But in amongst all this our sporting 'heroes' don't need to, they only have to resort to fluffy pillows and staying off the nutella etc.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

genius
and proof blackcat third person was right all along

Gordonstoun: No Ordinary School

I tips me 'at. Kudos and chapeau ol' son.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/british-rowers-handed-two-year-bans-for-doping-violations-1.2440770

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD links:
Press release
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/two-rowers-test-positive-for-banned-stimulants/

Timothy Grant:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6941

Sybren Hoogerland:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6942

Neither case is especially exceptional in the decisions made.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Here's a doping Brit: Spencer Matthews

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3328336/Spencer-Matthews-reveals-steroid-addiction-blame-decision-exit-m-Celebrity-just-THREE-days.html

He only dopes to look (reasonably) good.

My point is that Steroids are rife in British Society. Here's another story:

http://news.sky.com/story/1403431/one-million-britons-may-use-steroids-regularly

But in amongst all this our sporting 'heroes' don't need to, they only have to resort to fluffy pillows and staying off the nutella etc.

Just as well the overtly skinny cyclists from Britain who have taken the Tour de France by storm, beating the French at their own race don't resort to doping. They wouldn't do that. They'd stack shelves at Tesco before they'd make a decision like that. The Tesco would be in Monaco but that's besides the point.

 

[The Carrot]

http://www.cityam.com/229567/autumn-statement-2015-great-britain-olympic-hopes-boosted-by-uk-sport-funding-increase

So at a time when most British government departments have to make cuts, the chancellor is increasing investment in Olympic sport.

What deductions can be made from this?

1. The government understand the meaning of 'panem et circenses'.
2. The government want political capital from British sporting success.
3. (British) Doping will be tolerated as long as you win.
4. If you're an athlete, best you win.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.cityam.com/229567/autumn-statement-2015-great-britain-olympic-hopes-boosted-by-uk-sport-funding-increase

So at a time when most British government departments have to make cuts, the chancellor is increasing investment in Olympic sport.

What deductions can be made from this?

1. The government understand the meaning of 'panem et circenses'.
2. The government want political capital from British sporting success.
3. (British) Doping will be tolerated as long as you win.
4. If you're an athlete, best you win.

you forgot Five.

 

[blackcat]

5. more sporting knighthoods before Queen Elizabeth dies

 

[The Carrot]

6. UK Sport can afford to help more Brits become heads of sporting federations a la Lord Coe.

 

[TheSpud]

7. We can continue to dominate other countries in the medal table (especially our cycling rivals Australia)

 

[oldcrank]

8. Allow ground breaking research projects to continue
such as the search to identify which dietary nutrients
and micro-nutrients become more important as one
sheds body fat...the results of which will be important
not only for elite Grand Tour contenders, but also for
disaster relief agencies.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

genius
and proof blackcat third person was right all along

Gordonstoun: No Ordinary School

I tips me 'at. Kudos and chapeau ol' son.

And if you think this is representative of British life then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its like Brits saying Australia is all 'chuck another shrimp on the barbie, Shiela' ...

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

And if you think this is representative of British life then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its like Brits saying Australia is all 'chuck another shrimp on the barbie, Shiela' ...

It isn't?! Well that's my holiday plans scuppered.

 

[Nellyspania]

Re: Re:

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

genius
and proof blackcat third person was right all along

Gordonstoun: No Ordinary School

I tips me 'at. Kudos and chapeau ol' son.

And if you think this is representative of British life then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its like Brits saying Australia is all 'chuck another shrimp on the barbie, Shiela' ...

I think maybe the constant Gordonstoun references are possibly just a bit of fun.

There are a few British values missed off:

Working class, comprehensive school educated hero defies all odds to become world beater alongside public school educated middle class team mates purely by hard work, grit and talent.

Sporting poster boy/girl despite nation's bad teeth affliction.

Wins by not choosing the path of binge-drinking and becoming obese.

Better nutrition despite national bland food fixation

Training in constant rain toughens you up.

etc etc

 

[buckle]

Re: Re:

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/gordonstoun/article/about-the-show

compulsory viewing for those who want to know why it's impossible for Brits to dope.

genius
and proof blackcat third person was right all along

Gordonstoun: No Ordinary School

I tips me 'at. Kudos and chapeau ol' son.

And if you think this is representative of British life then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its like Brits saying Australia is all 'chuck another shrimp on the barbie, Shiela' ...

I think maybe the constant Gordonstoun references are possibly just a bit of fun.

There are a few British values missed off:

Working class, comprehensive school educated hero defies all odds to become world beater alongside public school educated middle class team mates purely by hard work, grit and talent.

Sporting poster boy/girl despite nation's bad teeth affliction.

Wins by not choosing the path of binge-drinking and becoming obese.

Better nutrition despite national bland food fixation

Training in constant rain toughens you up.

etc etc

Black and Asian kids who speak with regional British accents (but never one which is too uppity).