Brits don't dope?

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It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.
 
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blackcat said:
I was always joking on the gordonstoun reference.


I'm sure you were, but there is a serious point about it (for me at least). Places like Gordonstoun, Eton, Harrow etc are where those who go on to become part of the British Establishment are frequently educated. How is that relevant to British doping? Well the establishment is essentially a club where the interests and of the country's politicians, media barons, judges, police, businessmen (knights of the realm) meet. That club will do anything to hold onto their power and money and it will look after its own. It will definitely be influencing the British sporting world, especially it's now successful with money to be made. And therein is the lie, the narrative is that institutions such as Gordonstoun educate the young to behave in a morally superior 'British' fashion, but actually they are being indoctrinated into a rather dodgy organisation.
 
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The Carrot said:
blackcat said:
I was always joking on the gordonstoun reference.


I'm sure you were, but there is a serious point about it (for me at least). Places like Gordonstoun, Eton, Harrow etc are where those who go on to become part of the British Establishment are frequently educated. How is that relevant to British doping? Well the establishment is essentially a club where the interests and of the country's politicians, media barons, judges, police, businessmen (knights of the realm) meet. That club will do anything to hold onto their power and money and it will look after its own. It will definitely be influencing the British sporting world, especially it's now successful with money to be made. And therein is the lie, the narrative is that institutions such as Gordonstoun educate the young to behave in a morally superior 'British' fashion, but actually they are being indoctrinated into a rather dodgy organisation.

yeah, there was a dual market for my invocation of gordonstoun, it was to parody the chariots of fire clean brits thing, when everyone dopes just like the russians, your team, my team, their team, everyones team, all teams...

but the meta reference was about that muscular chritianity doctrine, yeah, there was some glimmer of antecedence...

and even tho they are aristocratic schools, those public schools, harrow rugby dragon westminster eton above the grammar schools, they still provide trickle down cultural and educational repertory that other nations owe a debt to.... gordonstoun is a bit unique sitting in its own place beside the public schools,

but it was all for jocularity and #Wildeandrollery, and I thought a british sense of humour woulda picked that up pretty fast, surely a jewish humour would have reconciled it, p'raps it may be lost on the americans...
 
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oh, carrot, if people had not been so offended by my posts, I would not have sought to secede, highlighting the jocular element. If people had not been offended, p'raps, just p'raps, I go the other way, and push it to more egregious and further objectionable material, it may have something to do with convict lineage
 
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King Boonen said:
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And if you think this is representative of British life then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Its like Brits saying Australia is all 'chuck another shrimp on the barbie, Shiela' ...

It isn't?! Well that's my holiday plans scuppered.

Life can be a *** sometimes cant it - sorry to have ruined your plans.
 
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Nellyspania said:
I think maybe the constant Gordonstoun references are possibly just a bit of fun.

There are a few British values missed off:

Working class, comprehensive school educated hero defies all odds to become world beater alongside public school educated middle class team mates purely by hard work, grit and talent.

Sporting poster boy/girl despite nation's bad teeth affliction.

Wins by not choosing the path of binge-drinking and becoming obese.

Better nutrition despite national bland food fixation

Training in constant rain toughens you up.

etc etc

Uhh - doh ...

Yes I knew that. But if it was tongue in cheek / irrelevant why wasn't it deleted for being off-topic or trolling??? It doesn't contribute to the debate at all.
 
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bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...
 
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TheSpud said:
bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...

And JTL banned. Nationality - British ...
 
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TheSpud said:
bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...
Huh? That was a bio passport case, not a positive, and the Czech AD federation cleared him, not the UCI who actually appealed the case.

Nice try though :rolleyes:
 
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42x16ss said:
TheSpud said:
bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...
Huh? That was a bio passport case, not a positive, and the Czech AD federation cleared him, not the UCI who actually appealed the case.

Nice try though :rolleyes:

The point suggested was that the UCI were sluggish with Stevens @ 20 months.

Kreuziger - June 2014 (or near abouts) for a 2011 infraction? So 30-36 months.

JTL - Sept 2013, banned June 2014. 9 months.

Nice try :rolleyes:
 
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TheSpud said:
42x16ss said:
TheSpud said:
bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...
Huh? That was a bio passport case, not a positive, and the Czech AD federation cleared him, not the UCI who actually appealed the case.

Nice try though :rolleyes:

The point suggested was that the UCI were sluggish with Stevens @ 20 months.

Kreuziger - June 2014 (or near abouts) for a 2011 infraction? So 30-36 months.

JTL - Sept 2013, banned June 2014. 9 months.

Nice try :rolleyes:
That's right - a 2011 infraction, from when Phat and Hein ran the show.

Keep digging
 

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42x16ss said:
TheSpud said:
42x16ss said:
TheSpud said:
bobbins said:
It is interesting that Dan Stevens got popped last January and his ban has only just been announced. There is another case that should have been heard in October that seems awfully quiet too.


And it took how long for Kreuziger? Oh .... and he wasn't banned.

Cookson clearly biased towards the Brits ...
Huh? That was a bio passport case, not a positive, and the Czech AD federation cleared him, not the UCI who actually appealed the case.

Nice try though :rolleyes:

The point suggested was that the UCI were sluggish with Stevens @ 20 months.

Kreuziger - June 2014 (or near abouts) for a 2011 infraction? So 30-36 months.

JTL - Sept 2013, banned June 2014. 9 months.

Nice try :rolleyes:
That's right - a 2011 infraction, from when Phat and Hein ran the show.

Keep digging

JTl was also started under McQuaid not Cookson.

Impey & Rogers under Cookson, let off... Contador & Armstrong under McQuaid, banned.
 

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del1962 said:
Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid

He banned him.

Do you think Cookson would ever ban Wiggins? Never. As reluctant as McQuaid was, ultimately he pulled the trigger, as he did with Contador.

Cookson has let off more dopers in living memory than any other President! Impressive.
 
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del1962 said:
Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid
Was McQuaid not President when Armstrong was banned?

McQuaid was againt the USADA process, historical revisionism from theHog which you obviously lap up.

Case closed
 

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del1962 said:
42x16ss said:
del1962 said:
Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid
Was McQuaid not President when Armstrong was banned?

McQuaid was againt the USADA process, historical revisionism from theHog which you obviously lap up.

Case closed

No, McQuaid was arguing 'jurisdiction'. He believed he UCI should handle the case not USADA. Ultimately USADA did the work and McQuaid and the UCI enforced the ban with the famous words from McQuaid; "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling".

In fact wasn't it Cookson who was talking about a reduced ban for Armstrong? :)
 
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thehog said:
del1962 said:
42x16ss said:
del1962 said:
Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid
Was McQuaid not President when Armstrong was banned?

McQuaid was againt the USADA process, historical revisionism from theHog which you obviously lap up.

Case closed

No, McQuaid was arguing 'jurisdiction'. He believed he UCI should handle the case not USADA. Ultimately USADA did the work and McQuaid and the UCI enforced the ban with the famous words from McQuaid; "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling".

In fact wasn't it Cookson who was talking about a reduced ban for Armstrong? :)

If you want to believe that carry on
 

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del1962 said:
thehog said:
del1962 said:
42x16ss said:
del1962 said:
Love the complete revision of history by the hog, with Armstrong and McQuaid
Was McQuaid not President when Armstrong was banned?

McQuaid was againt the USADA process, historical revisionism from theHog which you obviously lap up.

Case closed

No, McQuaid was arguing 'jurisdiction'. He believed he UCI should handle the case not USADA. Ultimately USADA did the work and McQuaid and the UCI enforced the ban with the famous words from McQuaid; "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling".

In fact wasn't it Cookson who was talking about a reduced ban for Armstrong? :)

If you want to believe that carry on

Believe what? Facts? yes, I believe the facts. If you want to believe McQuaid didn't ban Armstrong for life and Cookson wasn't offering a reduction, then..... I'm not sure what will help you. Sorry.