Brits don't dope?

[Catwhoorg]

At least he is showing maturity in his prompt admission and apology.

Compare and contrast to say Tommy D

 

[harryh]

Bad luck for a guy who was just making a consistent career path

 

[thehog]

Re:

Bad luck for a guy who was just making a consistent career path

It's harsh on him. He was just trying to emulate his heroes in Wiggo and Froome

 

[harryh]

Re: Re:

Bad luck for a guy who was just making a consistent career path

It's harsh on him. He was just trying to emulate his heroes in Wiggo and Froome

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

 

[veganrob]

Re:

Bad luck for a guy who was just making a consistent career path

Not bad luck, bad decision.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Bad luck for a guy who was just making a consistent career path

It's harsh on him. He was just trying to emulate his heroes in Wiggo and Froome

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

no confusion..consistently bad if he were clean

 

[MartinGT]

https://www.change.org/p/anyone-ukad-to-conduct-in-comp-testing-at-british-cycling-national-calender-junior-u18-races-101608b6-7e0d-4ffc-a198-c1eb08a35bd6?recruiter=425066530&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_term=mob-xs-no_src-no_msg&fb_ref=Default
Oh dear

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Indeed.

Sad that a talent like that went the wrong route and likely will never be able to put it behind him.

He will get 4 years, of that I think there is no doubt.

Was he a kid with talent who went the wrong route or a kid on the wrong route gaining the talent?

 

[mrhender]

Re: Re:

Indeed.

Sad that a talent like that went the wrong route and likely will never be able to put it behind him.

He will get 4 years, of that I think there is no doubt.

Was he a kid with talent who went the wrong route or a kid on the wrong route gaining the talent?

Perhaps both.

But not talented (connected, experienced, clever) enough to avoid the ever so unpredictable hammer..

The hammer, that some may suspect comes when someone is casuing more problems for themselves than dodgy test values may offer..

 

[danielovichdk2]

"Heard someone used EPO to win the junior National 10 mile TT championships.If I recall correctly, I won that race hungover. Who needs EPO?!"

https://twitter.com/ryanmullen9/status/675012436039192581

EPIC!

 

[hrotha]

Re: Re:

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

It's pretty easy to understand.

1) If you show talent early, there's the possibility that you do, in fact, have talent. That there's also the possibility that you doped early is neither here nor there, because:
2) If you don't show talent early, you don't have it. Not an extraordinary talent, at least.

So you see, with #1 we may or may not be dealing with a very talented individual. With #2, we've got a lot more reason to think we aren't.

Simple. It's the same principle with doping tests: a positive is definitive, a negative doesn't mean zilch.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Indeed.

Sad that a talent like that went the wrong route and likely will never be able to put it behind him.

He will get 4 years, of that I think there is no doubt.

Was he a kid with talent who went the wrong route or a kid on the wrong route gaining the talent?

Perhaps both.

But not talented (connected, experienced, clever) enough to avoid the ever so unpredictable hammer..

The hammer, that some may suspect comes when someone is casuing more problems for themselves than dodgy test values may offer..

I don't understand your post. Hammer? Someone found the drugs in his bag, there was no test.

 

[mrhender]

Re: Re:

Indeed.

Sad that a talent like that went the wrong route and likely will never be able to put it behind him.

He will get 4 years, of that I think there is no doubt.

Was he a kid with talent who went the wrong route or a kid on the wrong route gaining the talent?

Perhaps both.

But not talented (connected, experienced, clever) enough to avoid the ever so unpredictable hammer..

The hammer, that some may suspect comes when someone is casuing more problems for themselves than dodgy test values may offer..

I don't understand your post. Hammer? Someone found the drugs in his bag, there was no test.

Lol..

Talk about fail

I mixed up some twitter comments and misunderstood the bust..

Better to do some own research I guess

 

[Dear Wiggo]

 

[harryh]

Re: Re:

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

It's pretty easy to understand.

1) If you show talent early, there's the possibility that you do, in fact, have talent. That there's also the possibility that you doped early is neither here nor there, because:
2) If you don't show talent early, you don't have it. Not an extraordinary talent, at least.

So you see, with #1 we may or may not be dealing with a very talented individual. With #2, we've got a lot more reason to think we aren't.

Simple. It's the same principle with doping tests: a positive is definitive, a negative doesn't mean zilch.

I still can't see how he's trying to emulate his heros Wiggo and Froome as TheHog suggested. For me it seems that Evans tried to be extraordinary from his early ages, avoiding sudden jumps in performances, hence tried more traditional (consistent) approach to wealth and fame than Wiggo and Froome made.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re:

It's inexplicable.

Shocking.

Totally unexpected.

I never would've thought...




that there's a Time Trial forum.

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=106161&hl

One problem with that statement is that it totally obscures when he actually used EPO.

Purchased: 1 August, 2015
Found out: Sometime during the week of 11 August (by teammate's father)
Admits his transgression to UKAD: "some time after" 11 August
Competes in, and wins, National Junior 10m TT: 5 September


How many vials did he purchase?
How many in total did he use?
When did he use them?
Was his meeting with UKAD before or after the National Junior 10m TT?

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

It's pretty easy to understand.

1) If you show talent early, there's the possibility that you do, in fact, have talent. That there's also the possibility that you doped early is neither here nor there, because:
2) If you don't show talent early, you don't have it. Not an extraordinary talent, at least.

So you see, with #1 we may or may not be dealing with a very talented individual. With #2, we've got a lot more reason to think we aren't.

Simple. It's the same principle with doping tests: a positive is definitive, a negative doesn't mean zilch.

I still can't see how he's trying to emulate his heros Wiggo and Froome as TheHog suggested. For me it seems that Evans tried to be extraordinary from his early ages, avoiding sudden jumps in performances, hence tried more traditional (consistent) approach to wealth and fame than Wiggo and Froome made.

If Evans was trying to copy Froome he would have come second in the TT, not first, unless it was uphill. I guess Evans could have been trying to copy Sir Brad though....

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I'm a bit confused 'cause I have learned from the Clinic that Froome's career path should have been more consistent to make his story more believable. So actually Evans isn't emulating Froome but following more traditional way to make it to the top, no?

It's pretty easy to understand.

1) If you show talent early, there's the possibility that you do, in fact, have talent. That there's also the possibility that you doped early is neither here nor there, because:
2) If you don't show talent early, you don't have it. Not an extraordinary talent, at least.

So you see, with #1 we may or may not be dealing with a very talented individual. With #2, we've got a lot more reason to think we aren't.

Simple. It's the same principle with doping tests: a positive is definitive, a negative doesn't mean zilch.

I still can't see how he's trying to emulate his heros Wiggo and Froome as TheHog suggested. For me it seems that Evans tried to be extraordinary from his early ages, avoiding sudden jumps in performances, hence tried more traditional (consistent) approach to wealth and fame than Wiggo and Froome made.

If Evans was trying to copy Froome he would have come second in the TT, not first, unless it was uphill. I guess Evans could have been trying to copy Sir Brad though....

Evans was trying to copy Evans. meta Evans. Evans^2

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

It's inexplicable.

Shocking.

Totally unexpected.

I never would've thought...




that there's a Time Trial forum.

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=106161&hl

One problem with that statement is that it totally obscures when he actually used EPO.

Purchased: 1 August, 2015
Found out: Sometime during the week of 11 August (by teammate's father)
Admits his transgression to UKAD: "some time after" 11 August
Competes in, and wins, National Junior 10m TT: 5 September


How many vials did he purchase?
How many in total did he use?
When did he use them?
Was his meeting with UKAD before or after the National Junior 10m TT?

I reckon, the competitor's father DID NOT go snooping without cause. There musta been loose lips for him to have reason to rifle thru an 18yo's bag. An adult's bag. I don't know what the due cause is, but I have suspicions. Now, lets say the father who <said> 'rifles thru bag' was actually petitioned or solicited by his own son, to get him<the son> on an equivalent program and go to some pharmacy or gym to buy him PEDs, or ask his competitor/mate at the training camp to share his PEDs for a price he would pay...

now my intuition and suspicion is not facts, are not, and it is neither conspiratorial. I just assume the father needs to have reason to be going thru someones bag.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re: Re:

I reckon, the competitor's father DID NOT go snooping without cause.

That's a good point, especially when one considers just how crafty most boys that age are at keeping mere condoms away from the prying eyes of adults, not to mention the most notorious of all cycling PEDs.

If he bothered to bring that EPO with him to a training camp, it sounds as if he was well on his way to developing a program.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

It's inexplicable.

Shocking.

Totally unexpected.

I never would've thought...




that there's a Time Trial forum.

http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=106161&hl

One problem with that statement is that it totally obscures when he actually used EPO.

Purchased: 1 August, 2015
Found out: Sometime during the week of 11 August (by teammate's father)
Admits his transgression to UKAD: "some time after" 11 August
Competes in, and wins, National Junior 10m TT: 5 September


How many vials did he purchase?
How many in total did he use?
When did he use them?
Was his meeting with UKAD before or after the National Junior 10m TT?

I reckon, the competitor's father DID NOT go snooping without cause. There musta been loose lips for him to have reason to rifle thru an 18yo's bag. An adult's bag. I don't know what the due cause is, but I have suspicions. Now, lets say the father who <said> 'rifles thru bag' was actually petitioned or solicited by his own son, to get him<the son> on an equivalent program and go to some pharmacy or gym to buy him PEDs, or ask his competitor/mate at the training camp to share his PEDs for a price he would pay...

now my intuition and suspicion is not facts, are not, and it is neither conspiratorial. I just assume the father needs to have reason to be going thru someones bag.

It's possible, but it's also very possible it was something else. When I used to play rugby on tour parents would come along to watch and help out. A lot of them would carry bags, get things from them if needed and so on. It could be that he picked the bag up, heard a clink/it was open and he saw a flash of something/was looking for some socks and it was inside them etc. and happened to find it.

The Cycling Weekly piece says he found it, not that he went looking for it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

I reckon, the competitor's father DID NOT go snooping without cause.

That's a good point, especially when one considers just how crafty most boys that age are at keeping mere condoms away from the prying eyes of adults, not to mention the most notorious of all cycling PEDs.

If he bothered to bring that EPO with him to a training camp, it sounds as if he was well on his way to developing a program.

I'd go even further. I cannot for a moment think of going into a kid's room, rummaging through his bag.

I think it's more likely he walked in on him injecting or something.

I hid cigarettes in plain sight in school. Younger than him.

 

[Winterfold]

The other kids dad found it in a tin in the fridge apparently, nothing more suspicious than that

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I reckon, the competitor's father DID NOT go snooping without cause.

That's a good point, especially when one considers just how crafty most boys that age are at keeping mere condoms away from the prying eyes of adults, not to mention the most notorious of all cycling PEDs.

If he bothered to bring that EPO with him to a training camp, it sounds as if he was well on his way to developing a program.

I'd go even further. I cannot for a moment think of going into a kid's room, rummaging through his bag.

I think it's more likely he walked in on him injecting or something.

I hid cigarettes in plain sight in school. Younger than him.

thats an extension on my thoughts, but I think yours is considerably more likely. In fact, it is the only likelihood, well, a certain interpretation of it.

someone else could have seen him pinning, injecting... and then told the father. Then the father told the 18yo athlete Evans, this is how we are gonna handle this....

It may have been the father. I immediately read DW and thought, yep, his scenario is one of few likely propositions, mine definitely not as likely. So DW is far more accurate, but the tweaking of some details would be even more accurate, or leeway on the "father" as the person who saw the action of the injection.

 

[Winterfold]

Blackcat why are you making *** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here