Brits don't dope?

[Catwhoorg]

Whereabouts consists of two parts:

The specified hour (usually early morning), where a failure to be there can be counted as a strike. (though this hour can be updated literally at the last second. The first admin check after a failure,would be checking to see if ADAMS was updated during the night)

Then a general indication of the day, such as "training ride around the South Downs, then media commitments in London."
If you are in the RTP, a tester can try and find you based on that, and get a sample, but if they cannot find you, then it is not a strike.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

The specified hour (usually early morning), where a failure to be there can be counted as a strike. (though this hour can be updated literally at the last second. The first admin check after a failure,would be checking to see if ADAMS was updated during the night)

This is why there is a dialogue between the written warning ("A DCO called but you were out.") and a recorded warning ("You have a wherabouts violation.") - there could be a logical explanation for the DCO not getting you.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I love the way UKAD describes some missions as "other than successful", which in my mind reads as the DCO got lost/stuck in traffic.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

UK School joins 'clean sport' anti-doping scheme

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35462437

Chief executive Nicole Sapstead said signing up schools would help young athletes to "make the right choices and compete clean".

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Re:

UK School joins 'clean sport' anti-doping scheme

A spokeswoman for the anti-doping agency said there was not a problem with doping in school sport, but it was important to get the message across to young athletes.

The problem appears to be with the spokeswoman.

There is doping in sport.

There is doping in school sport.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

UK School joins 'clean sport' anti-doping scheme

A spokeswoman for the anti-doping agency said there was not a problem with doping in school sport, but it was important to get the message across to young athletes.

The problem appears to be with the spokeswoman.

There is doping in sport.

There is doping in school sport.

i looked at that before (some pages back).
imo the rhinoceros in the room is that those UKAD school gigs are funded by the National Lottery.
So we're talking UKAD employment created by Lottery funding.
And that's just one of many areas where UKAD and National Lottery seem to intersect funding-wise.
The sum of which should put serious question marks behind UKAD's commitment to catching Lottery funded cheats.

 

[coinneach]

This, to me, is a more serious issue than the mechanical doping case.
We've got a 16 year old schoolboy from a posh part of London, saying he's inspired by Wiggins and Hoy, yet he resorts to epo use.

It's shows to me that the whole Sky BC thing has failed.
They set out to prove you could win and demonstrate they could win clean.
They managed the former, they may even have done it clean.
But they sure as hell have failed in demonstrating cleanliness.

Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a byproduct of the cynicism exhibited for example in the clinic, which gives the message they're all at it, so if you want to compete, you'll have to join in.
Very depressing

 

[bobbins]

This, to me, is a more serious issue than the mechanical doping case.
We've got a 16 year old schoolboy from a posh part of London, saying he's inspired by Wiggins and Hoy, yet he resorts to epo use.

It's shows to me that the whole Sky BC thing has failed.
They set out to prove you could win and demonstrate they could win clean.
They managed the former, they may even have done it clean.
But they sure as hell have failed in demonstrating cleanliness.

Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a byproduct of the cynicism exhibited for example in the clinic, which gives the message they're all at it, so if you want to compete, you'll have to join in.
Very depressing

You've got to take it to make it.

As a leading coach said to me once, you're not going to win a major tour without being on EPO.

That's not cynicism. That's reality.

 

[coinneach]

This, to me, is a more serious issue than the mechanical doping case.
We've got a 16 year old schoolboy from a posh part of London, saying he's inspired by Wiggins and Hoy, yet he resorts to epo use.

It's shows to me that the whole Sky BC thing has failed.
They set out to prove you could win and demonstrate they could win clean.
They managed the former, they may even have done it clean.
But they sure as hell have failed in demonstrating cleanliness.

Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a byproduct of the cynicism exhibited for example in the clinic, which gives the message they're all at it, so if you want to compete, you'll have to join in.
Very depressing

You've got to take it to make it.

As a leading coach said to me once, you're not going to win a major tour without being on EPO.

That's not cynicism. That's reality.

I'd still expect a 16 year old kid to have a belief that he could win without taking epo...and a 19 year old girl believe she could win without a motor. So whether it's the reality the UCI want to present, it's obviously the reality that people are believing.
What next? Cyclings own Hunger Games??

 

[Benotti69]

This, to me, is a more serious issue than the mechanical doping case.
We've got a 16 year old schoolboy from a posh part of London, saying he's inspired by Wiggins and Hoy, yet he resorts to epo use.

It's shows to me that the whole Sky BC thing has failed.
They set out to prove you could win and demonstrate they could win clean.
They managed the former, they may even have done it clean.
But they sure as hell have failed in demonstrating cleanliness.

Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a byproduct of the cynicism exhibited for example in the clinic, which gives the message they're all at it, so if you want to compete, you'll have to join in.
Very depressing

You've got to take it to make it.

As a leading coach said to me once, you're not going to win a major tour without being on EPO.

That's not cynicism. That's reality.

I'd still expect a 16 year old kid to have a belief that he could win without taking epo...and a 19 year old girl believe she could win without a motor. So whether it's the reality the UCI want to present, it's obviously the reality that people are believing.

What next? Cyclings own Hunger Games??

I think this may be quite plausible. Why because the sport is not growing in its traditional countries so it is increasingly looking to 'New World' (to the sport) countries for financial input. There is no reason for a Chinese or other 'new' nation Billionaire to buy the sport and let it evolve into a free or all dope, motors, bow and arrows first back to the finish line alive wins!

Sport has failed to police itself. It is not going to start now. Politicians will not introduce laws to criminalise sporting fraud so all that remains is to push the envelope. It is why WWE got so big, humans want entertainment more than fairness and to back a winner.

 

[Brullnux]

This, to me, is a more serious issue than the mechanical doping case.
We've got a 16 year old schoolboy from a posh part of London, saying he's inspired by Wiggins and Hoy, yet he resorts to epo use.

It's shows to me that the whole Sky BC thing has failed.
They set out to prove you could win and demonstrate they could win clean.
They managed the former, they may even have done it clean.
But they sure as hell have failed in demonstrating cleanliness.

Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a byproduct of the cynicism exhibited for example in the clinic, which gives the message they're all at it, so if you want to compete, you'll have to join in.
Very depressing

You've got to take it to make it.

As a leading coach said to me once, you're not going to win a major tour without being on EPO.

That's not cynicism. That's reality.

I'd still expect a 16 year old kid to have a belief that he could win without taking epo...and a 19 year old girl believe she could win without a motor. So whether it's the reality the UCI want to present, it's obviously the reality that people are believing.
What next? Cyclings own Hunger Games??

I'm roughly 16 give or take and I wouldn't expect a 16 year old kid to have belief they can win unless if they're actually seriously good. What I would expect is not taking EPO and starting another sport or training harder or focusing on school studies. EPO is very drastic measure, and if you're taking it at 16 that sort of tells me they probably aren't exactly fit for the sport, as in they aren't very good.

However, a 16 year old taking steroids is fairly common among young guys who go to the gym. So, I guess, this was just like that, just for competitive uses.

Worth mentioning that 98% of aspiring British cyclists are inspired by Hoy, Wiggins and Cav so that's hardly a novelty, or particularly worth mentioning in his case. Just that he's 16 is enough, really.

Only someone from a posh background would ever do this at 16, I think. EPO isn't particularly cheap and high class youth cycling in the UK is turning into a domain of the rich, as not everyone can afford 4000+ bikes.

 

[The Carrot]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

With Coe President of IAAF for next 14years? and Sir Craig Reedie head of WADA, it would be madness for the BBC not to showcase their brightest athletes, especially as their medal haul will be big and guaranteed!

 

[blackcat]

Sport has failed to police itself. It is not going to start now. Politicians will not introduce laws to criminalise sporting fraud so all that remains is to push the envelope. It is why WWE got so big, humans want entertainment more than fairness and to back a winner.

it may have failed to police itself.

but it has certainly not failed to market itself and sell tickets.

Who was it who said the religion is the opium of the masses, pre modernity governing and organising principles.

Sport was the opium of the masses in the C20. So if it was Einstein, or Freud, or Stalin, they would need to update the maxim to sport,

P'raps Pikkety could write an addendum to capital on the commodification of sport as entertainment business.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

muscularchristianity and gordonstoun ftw.

have Kate and Wills enrolled George at Gordonstoun yet?

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

With Coe President of IAAF for next 14years? and Sir Craig Reedie head of WADA, it would be madness for the BBC not to showcase their brightest athletes, especially as their medal haul will be big and guaranteed!

Seeing as this will probably be the only sport the BBC will be able to afford by 2024, they will overcompensate to a ridiculous degree. The commentary will be hilarious. It will make Steve Cram's performance at the World Championships look balanced!

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

With Coe President of IAAF for next 14years? and Sir Craig Reedie head of WADA, it would be madness for the BBC not to showcase their brightest athletes, especially as their medal haul will be big and guaranteed!

Seeing as this will probably be the only sport the BBC will be able to afford by 2024, they will overcompensate to a ridiculous degree. The commentary will be hilarious. It will make Steve Cram's performance at the World Championships look balanced!

The BBC proved they are very far removed from impartiality, Jimmy Saville proved that! The beeb know full well sport is fixed and doping is rife, now that British athletes are bringing home lots of gold,silver and bronze medals they want to be the broadcaster...

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

With Coe President of IAAF for next 14years? and Sir Craig Reedie head of WADA, it would be madness for the BBC not to showcase their brightest athletes, especially as their medal haul will be big and guaranteed!

Seeing as this will probably be the only sport the BBC will be able to afford by 2024, they will overcompensate to a ridiculous degree. The commentary will be hilarious. It will make Steve Cram's performance at the World Championships look balanced!

The BBC proved they are very far removed from impartiality, Jimmy Saville proved that! The beeb know full well sport is fixed and doping is rife, now that British athletes are bringing home lots of gold,silver and bronze medals they want to be the broadcaster...

The Brits know that they are not gonna challenge for the World Cup or Euros anytime soon (by brits, it's not only England, I mean Scotland, NI, Wales, all of them are average at best) so they have to back the sports that they've done well in recent years and ones they feel they can still do well in for the foreseeable future.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3428390/BBC-commits-showing-Olympic-Games-2024-despite-widespread-cuts-sport.html#comments

For Blackcat, muscular Christianity until 2024!

With Coe President of IAAF for next 14years? and Sir Craig Reedie head of WADA, it would be madness for the BBC not to showcase their brightest athletes, especially as their medal haul will be big and guaranteed!

Seeing as this will probably be the only sport the BBC will be able to afford by 2024, they will overcompensate to a ridiculous degree. The commentary will be hilarious. It will make Steve Cram's performance at the World Championships look balanced!

The BBC proved they are very far removed from impartiality, Jimmy Saville proved that! The beeb know full well sport is fixed and doping is rife, now that British athletes are bringing home lots of gold,silver and bronze medals they want to be the broadcaster...

The Brits know that they are not gonna challenge for the World Cup or Euros anytime soon (by brits, it's not only England, I mean Scotland, NI, Wales, all of them are average at best) so they have to back the sports that they've done well in recent years and ones they feel they can still do well in for the foreseeable future.

Very true as well.

 

[Benotti69]

motodoping...

"It is a bigger advantage than doping"

Rob Hayles

Hayles would know....

 

[blackcat]

Re:

motodoping...

"It is a bigger advantage than doping"

Rob Hayles

Hayles would know....

zing

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins admits that Brit Cycling use stuff.

“British cycling team are really on the ball – Richard Freeman, the doctor – in terms of things that have been changed, saying ‘please don’t use this anymore’.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-on-maria-sharapova-positive-there-is-no-excuse-215641#45mCsrGiTUcKCSxd.99

 

[bobbins]

Re:

Wiggins admits that Brit Cycling use stuff.

“British cycling team are really on the ball – Richard Freeman, the doctor – in terms of things that have been changed, saying ‘please don’t use this anymore’.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-on-maria-sharapova-positive-there-is-no-excuse-215641#45mCsrGiTUcKCSxd.99

Are you being serious?

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Wiggins admits that Brit Cycling use stuff.

“British cycling team are really on the ball – Richard Freeman, the doctor – in terms of things that have been changed, saying ‘please don’t use this anymore’.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-on-maria-sharapova-positive-there-is-no-excuse-215641#45mCsrGiTUcKCSxd.99

Are you being serious?

I don't see the problem with Bennotti's post. He's clearly quoted what Wiggins said. You could argue that Wiggins is merely referring to over-the-counter stuff that gets added to the list, but he specifically mentions a team doctor. You could also argue that they're technically not "using" anything, if using refers to doping, as that requires it be banned, but you could have at least made the argument.

 

[The Carrot]

Credit to the Hitch's Twitter account for finding this but it was tailor made for this thread...and I am looking forward to Blackcat's comments.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12189003/Britain-has-most-honest-citizens-in-the-world...-because-politicians-are-less-corrupt.html

FFS