Brits don't dope?

[blackcat]

good post ^

i agree. australians always played by those "rules".

in the last decade, the brits have been catching up. I dont think they were necessarily clean before 2000, definitely not in cycling, and paula radcliffe last decade, but the Brits never made the rules of playing turf. they are just another party on the block. so chapeau to the athletes

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

So it's racist for someone to have a go at Contador, a proven drug cheat? Sorry but that makes no sense at all. I'm afraid all this nonsense about Brits being racist about southern Europeans is all in your head, the fact that you have to refer to a German poster sums your argument up. However, you do seem to hate Brits with a passion.

I think the British hate in his case stems from being Australian. And, ironically, he was banned for making racist comments. Humour him though because he always ends up having a break down which is pretty entertaining.

 

[Galic Ho]

So it's racist for someone to have a go at Contador, a proven drug cheat? Sorry but that makes no sense at all. I'm afraid all this nonsense about Brits being racist about southern Europeans is all in your head, the fact that you have to refer to a German poster sums your argument up. However, you do seem to hate Brits with a passion.

And you and the moron British and Irish brigade around here are best serving Sky on your knees. But we've known that for years now Bernie. No wonder you have an eyesore.

I've said it before and will do so once more, so listen up. My family, like most Aussies came from the UK and Ireland. You really are frakking stupid. Who do you think I use to cheer for before in the World Cup alongside Australia? England!

But no, lets look at the language your feeble mind used. Dirty. I never said the Brits were dirty. They all are doping. Dirty is used in connection with a racial sledge and has been very direct, short and distinct lately on this forum. Fret not and take a look at the friends lists and buddies of the Skybots. You're all the same lot. Foxy and oldcrank are in that lot. Why is it that you lot only seek to pick on the Spaniards? Why just them?

As has been said before, nobody in the Clinic 12 makes a case about the Spaniards or Italians being clean. Even the ones who haven't been popped. The problem and it's been addressed in those threads that now have 20K posts, that the British and Anglo Saxons decided in their moral superiority over the Southern Europeans, to wave the 'we're winning because nobody can dope anymore and oh look, we're beating all the past doping cheats who weren't Anglo Saxon!"

Face it champ, the UK broke rank and file and cheated to get where they are now. Doping to win. Every Olympic Gold medal winner, suddenly finding life time best form in the same year! Who'd a thought it? Buying foreigners to compete for you. To train you. To run your systems. Tell us team Sky would've amounted to anything 'marginal gain wise' without foreigners. You had no clue. Evidence? 2010.

Britain isn't worth hating Bernie. You're not worth hate. But to call your BS out...ain't hate. It's calling a spade a spade. That would be the proper and right thing to do. Someone has to stand for the truth regardless of whether some misguided clown waving the patriotism flag can't hack it.

When Britain's turn has ended and let's say Brazil gets a shot, nobody on the Clinic will be crying about it. Well other than those from your mold who couldn't pick it, or handle it. Why? Because the rest of the forum knows how world sports operate. We know nations are given priority by the authorities for a time in the sun. Then the sun sets and a new dawn arrives for another country...which as I said will probably be Brazil. Difference is the Brazilians won't be shoving their moral highness down the Western Worlds throat and proclaiming they are the ushers of a new clean age. The Brits will have already done that.

And that is the issue. But it's not like you saw that on this thread anytime in the last year is it Bernie, what not with your eyesore. Free tip; get off your knees and quit getting stuff in your face. You might be able to see the world for what it is.

 

[Galic Ho]

who'd'yu think you are? Anthony Tan?

Not Asian. Sorry dude. I did not listen to him once this year.

So he runs with panache non stop now does he? Mimicking the French journos no doubt. What a knob.

 

[Galic Ho]

I think the British hate in his case stems from being Australian. And, ironically, he was banned for making racist comments. Humour him though because he always ends up having a break down which is pretty entertaining.

No Pedro you silly git. I told one Irish troll to stop drinking his Guiness and man up, use his law degree that he brags about, stand up to McQuaid and throw Kimmage some support.

Basically to stop being a coward. To grow a back bone.

Guess what the Irish did a few months after I posted that. Some of them grew a back bone where they'd had a wish bone and stood up to McQuaid. Think it over...or don't. But the Irish had to be TOLD repeatedly to DO IT.

Contrast lets say, with Italy. They hand out a ton of bans. They catch a lot of frauds. Who have the British or any northern Euros caught and banned? David Millar? Doesn't count. Dwain Chambers would be about the biggest.

Maybe we should tell the Brits to run you as their man Pedro? Vote for Pedro!

And don't think getting banned by a mod who coincidentally said they think Froome is legit means squat. It doesn't. It's a forum FFS genius. What did you expect?

 

[Galic Ho]

the Brits have sat back for ions with their pleasant manners and 'no its ok you go first' attitude.

All of a sudden they get someone behind them (probably Rupert Murdoch & co) and they start winning everything.

Well the Italians have had their Ferrari and Conconi....the Spaniards have had their Del Fuente, Belgians, Dutch and Germans don't need naming. So why shouldn't Britain get on the doping program. ??

Should Mo Farrah sit back and let the Ethiopians and Kenyans take the races ? Its like tennis - why should Murray sit back nice and clean and let Nadal and Djoko take the titles ?

I,m not condoning it but these countries are only now being caught and its not deterring them in any way. Its a shame because Britain had its dignity in tact...but its 2013 and times are a changing.

So who is the home grown British doping doctor?

We all know they can't even do that. Gotta import the help now.

Even the riders, the big wigs, aren't really Brits. They're loaners who are more native to other continents than the British Isles.

It reeks of desperation.

I will give the UK Cavendish. And Jenson Button. Maybe Ennis. The rest? Wouldn't win squat without taking a short cut and the UK knows it. Well outside of snooker, lawn bowls and darts that is.

 

[Cycle Chic]

So who is the home grown British doping doctor?

We all know they can't even do that. Gotta import the help now.

Even the riders, the big wigs, aren't really Brits. They're loaners who are more native to other continents than the British Isles.

It reeks of desperation.

I will give the UK Cavendish. And Jenson Button. Maybe Ennis. The rest? Wouldn't win squat without taking a short cut and the UK knows it. Well outside of snooker, lawn bowls and darts that is.

Exactly to all of your points ! why shouldn't we take short cuts ? not desperate - we've just wised up. Why shouldn't we cheat - the rest of the world are !

 

[Galic Ho]

Exactly to all of your points ! why shouldn't we take short cuts ? not desperate - we've just wised up. Why shouldn't we cheat - the rest of the world are !

Entitled to cheat like the rest.

Go to extensive lengths to convince the world that Brit's are the heralds and champions of a new 'clean' era, albeit achieved via doping, whilst not learning from the lessons of the past (LA and USPS) and copying all the cliched BS PR media gaffs every caught doper has done whilst sledging past dopers. Yeah not cool. This is the problem as the forum has articulated again, and again, and again and again.

It's been mentioned dozens of times, heck Libertine went to great lengths to convey this and the Skybots didn't listen...that nobody calling Sky out won't do the same to the Southern Euros, the difference is nobody wants to proclaim them clean. So the problem is the fanboys in Britain. In Ireland. And a few others. Ain't the Clinic regulars.

So by all means dope, but swap the media jargon and cliched BS about Brits being pure. They aren't. But that is too late now. The reverse angle won't be played and it won't work now. So Britain will continue to play it's cards in order to convince the less questioning they are worth barracking for. The fact the Froome thread and Sky threads are so large proves it's working.

Threads about Southern Europeans are a fraction of the size. We all know why that is.

 

[sniper]

Entitled to cheat like the rest.

Go to extensive lengths to convince the world that Brit's are the heralds and champions of a new 'clean' era, albeit achieved via doping, whilst not learning from the lessons of the past (LA and USPS) and copying all the cliched BS PR media gaffs every caught doper has done whilst sledging past dopers. Yeah not cool. This is the problem as the forum has articulated again, and again, and again and again.

It's been mentioned dozens of times, heck Libertine went to great lengths to convey this and the Skybots didn't listen...that nobody calling Sky out won't do the same to the Southern Euros, the difference is nobody wants to proclaim them clean. So the problem is the fanboys in Britain. In Ireland. And a few others. Ain't the Clinic regulars.

So by all means dope, but swap the media jargon and cliched BS about Brits being pure. They aren't. But that is too late now. The reverse angle won't be played and it won't work now. So Britain will continue to play it's cards in order to convince the less questioning they are worth barracking for. The fact the Froome thread and Sky threads are so large proves it's working.

Threads about Southern Europeans are a fraction of the size. We all know why that is.

this.


Like no other people at present, the Brits show a dramatic incapacity to learn from the past.

Festina, then USPS. There was scope for that to happen, apparently, but Sky now is just one farce too much.

München 1972, Los Angles 1984 and Barcelona 1992 were the starting points for state-sponsored doping programs in West Germany, US and Spain. To see that same **** happening all over again in Brittain is just too much.

Everybody with a third of a brain knows what's happening in brittain at the moment. We owe that knowledge to our capacity to learn from the past (the same capacity the Brits so urgently seem to lack at present) and we should put that knowledge to use, even if it's just through anonymous posting on an internet forum.
Spread the word, and inform people.
Activate resistance.

 

[Alphabet]

I think the British hate in his case stems from being Australian.

This has come up so many times. It's genuinely starting to irritate me now.

Nobody in Australia cares about English sport outside of the Ashes and perhaps the Olympics. Certainly there's no cycling rivalry between the nations, no matter how much the papers tried to dress up the 2012 Tour as the Ashes on wheels. There is no need to dismiss this argument (which I haven't even read yet) because the poster is Australian.

 

[The Hitch]

So let's get this straight.

If southern European athletes dope it is fine as they win with flair

is the opinion of a very small minority who have nothing to do with the anti doping lobby.

 

[darwin553]

Certainly there's no cycling rivalry between the nations, no matter how much the papers tried to dress up the 2012 Tour as the Ashes on wheels.

I disagree with that. I reckon there is a rivalry between the nations on track but I do concede not necessarily on the road.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Entitled to cheat like the rest.

Go to extensive lengths to convince the world that Brit's are the heralds and champions of a new 'clean' era,...

Threads about Southern Europeans are a fraction of the size. We all know why that is.

Yes - the CLEAN PR was a total ****-up. Whoever thought that one up needs sacking. Unfortunately Sky's PR staff are incompetent and have no clue what they are doing.

Threads about other southern European teams and riders - lets take Quintana for example are so small and generate no interest because we DONT UNDERSTAND SPANISH !! how can we monitor what is happening in their media and what their teams and riders are saying when we cant follow it. We follow the Americans and Australians because we speak English.

 

[JimmyFingers]

the hatred against the Southern Europeans bordering on full blown racism,

This a beautifully oxymoronic statement, given it's context.

I got a warning for being culturally insensitive for referring to a group of Italian riders as a mob, yet this thread is a platform for some people's prejudice,full of ill-informed sweeping generalisations. Frankly I find it offensive to read 'the brits' do this, and 'the brits' do that, when you are referring to millions of people.

Jesus, quit your obsession with us and rant about something else.

 

[blackcat]

jimmy, u won the tour two years in a row. lap it up dude. have a laff. alls good

 

[blackcat]

this.


Like no other people at present, the Brits show a dramatic incapacity to learn from the past.

Festina, then USPS. There was scope for that to happen, apparently, but Sky now is just one farce too much.

München 1972, Los Angles 1984 and Barcelona 1992 were the starting points for state-sponsored doping programs in West Germany, US and Spain. To see that same **** happening all over again in Brittain is just too much.

Everybody with a third of a brain knows what's happening in brittain at the moment. We owe that knowledge to our capacity to learn from the past (the same capacity the Brits so urgently seem to lack at present) and we should put that knowledge to use, even if it's just through anonymous posting on an internet forum.
Spread the word, and inform people.
Activate resistance.

/i dont mind the brits going full gas on the doping. its ok. no probs.

if one saw the Dauphine timetrial when Richie Porte caught his 2 minute man , Contador, it reminded me of Indurain and Armstrong. Contador was standing still.

I rated Contador the second best timetrialler on a non-spirit-level-flat parcours. Cancellara gets him any parcours. spirit level, Martin gets him.

so after that, i knew, Contador just as much a fraud as anyone else. And Richie, a biochemical creation. i just hope the dont do a Tommy Simpson on me, because i may have a pang of guilt.

So Brits. do your darnedest. you know Orica Greenedge with steal Porte back, and maybe R Dennis, C Meyer, if they have the cut-throat dope til u drop mindset. Cos they Aussies know their way around a hypodermic like the back of their hand. so it will be free target at Galic Ho. does the "Ho" imply wh@re GH?

 

[sittingbison]

...I got a warning for being culturally insensitive for referring to a group of Italians as a mob...

Ermmmm.... no..... you got a warning for calling them THE mob, which was as culturally insensitive and insulting as anything else posted here.

And on that note tone the racist/nationalist insults down gentle(wo)men. I don't expect to wake up tomoz and see this BS continuing.... if I do you know what to expect. .

Cheers
Bison

 

[Galic Ho]

Yes - the CLEAN PR was a total ****-up. Whoever thought that one up needs sacking. Unfortunately Sky's PR staff are incompetent and have no clue what they are doing.

Threads about other southern European teams and riders - lets take Quintana for example are so small and generate no interest because we DONT UNDERSTAND SPANISH !! how can we monitor what is happening in their media and what their teams and riders are saying when we cant follow it. We follow the Americans and Australians because we speak English.

Tell that to Ryo.

Tell that to Libertine.

Tell that to Taxus4a if and when they get back from their extended holiday. Hrotha is a translator I believe. Don't think he has any problem understanding Spanish. Rhubroma and a number of others live in Italy.

Point is we have plenty of articles and translations for all the non English speaking dopers. We actually have more info on them because all the doping Doctors typically have come from Italy and Spain with the exception of Geert Leinders.

The reason threads about Valverde, Contador, Heras, Kohl, Schumacher, The Chicken, The Pope, any Colombian, The Killer, The Cobra, Jan, Klodoen, Vino, Kasheickin, Basso, Pantani, Scarponi, Fuentes, Ferrari...take your pick...the reason their threads are no where near the size of the Sky acolytes is because nobody with a third of a brain as Sniper put it, would have the gall to call those guys clean.

The size of Armstrong's threads...well that's because he was a sociopath who dominated cycling. Personality plays a part in his threads...and a lot of old school trolls like Arbiter/BPC/Joakim. That is the only exception. Which brings us back to the denial of the fanboys. So many world examples of sporting fraud on a national basis and the Brits have the audacity to claim they're doing it right this time! Whatever. It won't last. It never does.

Put it this way Cycle Chic. After Evans Tour win, yes I did hear Aussies going on about winning clean. But the degree and magnitude both Evans, his team and the press drummed it up, pale into comparison to what the Brits have done. Even the idiot Aussies going on, they were subdued in contrast. How many of them other than darwin556 have jumped on the forum championing Cadel? Even Cadel's biggest fan, ACF94 admitted it's more than probable Cadel doped during his career. The British and Sky fans? Heck I've had them PM me literally distraught and furious over the Clinic telling me such things hurt their friends who ride for Sky!

Understand now? We're dealing with a whole different kettle of fish here. I will correct something I said earlier BTW. There are some in the Clinic, who when Sky get popped, who will delight in rubbing it into the faces of people who barracked for them. I shouldn't have said we all don't want blood. Some want blood...but from the fanboys.

And to what Hitch said. Should put a poll up about whether Class remains forever. I already know which way the vote will go. Sure Hitch said flair, but they're the same thing. If the winner is naturally because of barriers to entry, going to have to be doped to the gills, you take the one who makes it look good. A doper will win, might as well be a fancy one right?

 

[blackcat]

Threads about Southern Europeans are a fraction of the size. We all know why that is.

well, there are two primary reasons. they got nothing to do with your reason GH.

i) sample is self-selective. English language fora, perhaps 99% native english speakers from Aus, UK, and US (+Canuck/NZ/Paddies)
ii) those souf euros, who come hear, less predisposed to defending riders when they know cycling is one big shooting gallery, so they won be defening pantani, ricco, nibali, basso, to the same degree those new to the sport from the UK are.

heck, look how Lance marshalled the troops. there is a Phd in that for someone in a psychology faculty "how to heard sheep to do your dirty work and not have to pay public strategies or livestrong tern ins"

 

[Galic Ho]

This a beautifully oxymoronic statement, given it's context.

I got a warning for being culturally insensitive for referring to a group of Italian riders as a mob, yet this thread is a platform for some people's prejudice,full of ill-informed sweeping generalisations. Frankly I find it offensive to read 'the brits' do this, and 'the brits' do that, when you are referring to millions of people.

Jesus, quit your obsession with us and rant about something else.

Boo hoo. I got a 4 week ban. Cry me a river little boy.

BTW, you were remarkably quiet during the Tour! Cat have your tongue?

Didn't wanna turn up and get beaten up during the Sky dope fest? Oh, that's right, Joakim had to make a comeback and darwin556 and Taxus4a had to take up the slack because the 2012 murder flew away. You fanboys couldn't even show up to defend your boy and his BFF.

What's Jesus got to do with this BTW? Millions of Brits? Maybe. As for my reference...no, just your kind. How many of you are there anyway so we can take numbers?

Can you explain to me why the 12th Doctor, Peter Capaldi, a Scot, has an Italian sounding name? Doesn't that offend you Jimmy? Or is Scotland no longer part of Great Britain too?

 

[blackcat]

ACF94 admitted it's more than probable Cadel doped during his career.

did she really? she is pretty funny to follow on twitter for her rabid right wing diatribes. its like andrew bolt. IN DRAG

 

[Galic Ho]

well, there are two primary reasons. they got nothing to do with your reason GH.

i) sample is self-selective. English language fora, perhaps 99% native english speakers from Aus, UK, and US (+Canuck/NZ/Paddies)
ii) those souf euros, who come hear, less predisposed to defending riders when they know cycling is one big shooting gallery, so they won be defening pantani, ricco, nibali, basso, to the same degree those new to the sport from the UK are.

heck, look how Lance marshalled the troops. there is a Phd in that for someone in a psychology faculty "how to heard sheep to do your dirty work and not have to pay public strategies or livestrong tern ins"

Your second point is exactly what I said. They know the score, how the game is played, hence why the hell would they bother making a case for those guys I mentioned being clean?

Psychology study hey. Sounds like a LOT of work and reading forums. Lots of marketing and advertising theory too.

But do note, there are a lot of readers on this forum, who know the score, whose first language isn't English and they choose to come here. Why is that? Could it be because the Clinic offers something no other forum does, besides body building ones? Real discussion on the obvious. Think about it.

BTW I think you got the % wrong with native languages. English first language. Yes for over 50%. But a hell of a lot of the forum speak other languages quite well. If there is a better forum than this one then by all means, let me know. To my knowledge, this one is the best for cycling by far.

 

[blackcat]

Your second point is exactly what I said. They know the score, how the game is played, hence why the hell would they bother making a case for those guys I mentioned being clean?

Psychology study hey. Sounds like a LOT of work and reading forums. Lots of marketing and advertising theory too.

But do note, there are a lot of readers on this forum, who know the score, whose first language isn't English and they choose to come here. Why is that? Could it be because the Clinic offers something no other forum does, besides body building ones? Real discussion on the obvious. Think about it.

BTW I think you got the % wrong with native languages. English first language. Yes for over 50%. But a hell of a lot of the forum speak other languages quite well. If there is a better forum than this one then by all means, let me know. To my knowledge, this one is the best for cycling by far.

velo-club the french won. the laff about everyone winning doped. heck, they laff about Titi Voeckler and knew he was doped even before last year.

 

[Galic Ho]

did she really? she is pretty funny to follow on twitter for her rabid right wing diatribes. its like andrew bolt. IN DRAG

Yeah...she said she was a he. Studying biology an Monash uni I believe.

I don't even want to think about he being a she. Maybe you do.

ACF94 very strongly alluded to over a series of posts over a month or so, that yes, there is reason to conclude Evans got some help. Took he/she a long time to get there. So not in as many words admitting, but definitely alluding to and considering the notion. Was last year sometime.

You follow them on twitter? Oh no. It sounds like some people I know. Bet they're in full swing after tonight's debate!

 

[Galic Ho]

velo-club the french won. the laff about everyone winning doped. heck, they laff about Titi Voeckler and knew he was doped even before last year.

Okay. I don't speak French. Sounds like a ball, an absolute riot.

2011 Voeckler was something to behold. If only he hadn't tried to chase down Contador and Andy Schleck on the Alpe d'Huez stage. Would have made the podium.

Maybe that is why the Brits have so much animosity towards the French. The French can laugh at their own. Call them out. Life is so much more fun when you can do that.