Brits don't dope?

[Briant_Gumble]

The plot thickens.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...s-suspicious-red-drug-list-names-UK-star.html

 

[Briant_Gumble]

"A star of track and field events". Plural.

The blurred out photo looks like Ennis as well.

Looks like the daily mail's legal team have been carefully considering what they can and can't get away with.

 

[sniper]

"A star of track and field events". Plural.

The blurred out photo looks like Ennis as well.

Looks like the daily mail's legal team have been carefully considering what they can and can't get away with.

using a singular in that sentence would have been odd, though.
the photo-related clues seem more important.

 

[The Hitch]

All through that article it is argued that having dodgy values does not mean doping.
Including this stupid comment.

has also said in a statement that: ‘Athletes with a “red flag” reading may well be guilty of doping but equally – and we can prove it in the vast majority of cases – they may be innocent, which is why this information should have stayed locked up in a safe.’

As i predicted earlier. Looks like much of the media will be ready to defend the "star" athlete, on the off chance they are ever named.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Pantani was a star but after he submitted dodgy blood values, he was regarded as a doper.

I'm not sure but it reads like someone submitted suspicious blood values but then was never even tested for EPO.

 

[TheSpud]

"A star of track and field events". Plural.

The blurred out photo looks like Ennis as well.

Looks like the daily mail's legal team have been carefully considering what they can and can't get away with.

If your referring to the picture in the earlier version of the story here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-investigation-abnormal-blood-readings.html

Then i wouldnt get too excited - its heavily photoshopped (look either side of the hips) and it does say (c) BBC / Comic Relief.

 

[neineinei]

This leaked IAAF list of suspicious athletes reminds me of the leaked UCI list of suspicious riders from the 2010 TdF.

From six to ten, the circumstantial evidence of possible doping was "overwhelming".

6 Linus Gerdemann, Christian Knees, Egoi Martínez, Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Reda, Mauro Santambrogio, Geraint Thomas

Some have been caught afterwards, others were named Welsh Sports Personality of the year 2014

 

[the sceptic]

"It has been a ghastly week for athletics. We have to bring this tawdry episode to a close as quickly as we can. I don't know about the existence of the list," he said.

"The IAAF does not know what it contains and whether it has any voracity at all. If there is more info out there then please let us know.

"If the German journalist thinks our organisation is sullied - I can understand why people are questioning it - we would take a Wada official along. My instinct is that the list won't be central to the allegations, there are federations who may have been involved in systematic doping and officials have been involved. I am not afraid of embarrassment. We have to get to the bottom of it."

When asked if he feared the allegations were equivalent to the doping scandal in cycling, Lord Coe said he did not want to be drawn on benchmarking against other sports, but added: "A light has been shone on something that clearly needs investigating. If this is provable of course it is [as bad as Ben Johnson]."

anyone else reminded of McQuaid.. Or Cookson

 

[keeponrollin]

It has been a ghastly week for athletics. We have to bring this tawdry episode to a close as quickly as we can. I don't know about the existence of the list," he said.

...

My instinct is that the list won't be central to the allegations .... "

These are not the droids you're looking for ...

 

[ray j willings]

If you have the right sort of friends then you can get away with anything.
I mean anything. The main media is so controlled and the power of PR almost makes independent thought or investigation impossible in the public arena.

 

[thehog]

Comic Relief.

That is it!

 

[the sceptic]

These are not the droids you're looking for ...

I'm sure the rules will be followed.

And then the list will be buried deep in a safe somewhere to never be talked of again.

 

[Peter70]

Yes and no. The case has caused great controversy. It wasn't a clear cut situation. The other gentleman involved was acquitted because he went back to the hotel with the women from the club. Mr. X who was found guilty returned from the nightclub to the hotel upon a text from the acquitted, which gave cause for "premeditation". The women was inedbrated and consented to gentleman one.

I tend to agree with Ennis. Her stand was he shouldn't be allowed to train with Sheffield considering his conviction. She has a stand named after her.

I suspect his appeal will overturn the original decision.

Both Evans and Donaldson were prosecuted under the same law. That the woman was too drunk to give consent even when every witness in this case states that she did so. It is quite literally impossible for only one of them to be guilty. The woman could not be too drunk to consent to sex with Evans AFTER being sober enough to consent to sex with Donaldson despite not having any more to drink.

It was a test case for a new anti men law pushed through by extreme feminists and it stinks. Evans may be scum but there is no sensible definition of the term that makes him a rapist.

Jessica Ennis-Hill was just another bandwagon jumper with a RR team.

 

[thehog]

Both Evans and Donaldson were prosecuted under the same law. That the woman was too drunk to give consent even when every witness in this case states that she did so. It is quite literally impossible for only one of them to be guilty. The woman could not be too drunk to consent to sex with Evans AFTER being sober enough to consent to sex with Donaldson despite not having any more to drink.

It was a test case for a new anti men law pushed through by extreme feminists and it stinks. Evans may be scum but there is no sensible definition of the term that makes him a rapist.

Jessica Ennis-Hill was just another bandwagon jumper with a RR team.

Donaldson?

I think you might not know the case as well as I.

The Wales and Sheffield United striker Ched Evans was found guilty of raping the 19-year-old following a night out at a seaside town. His friend and fellow professional footballer, Clayton McDonald, was cleared of the same charge.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/20/ched-evans-found-guilty-rape

The consent for McDonald came from the course of the evening, ie that he drank with her into inebriation.

Evans was not in direct contact with her at the club and came to the hotel after McDonald texted him to do so, therefore premeditation to rape.

McDonald was not found guilty due to the fact that it could legally be assumed he had drank with the women when she was sober that it implied some form of consent. Or more to the point it could not be construed as rape.

 

[Parker]

If your referring to the picture in the earlier version of the story here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-investigation-abnormal-blood-readings.html

Then i wouldnt get too excited - its heavily photoshopped (look either side of the hips) and it does say (c) BBC / Comic Relief.

Excellent spot. Now if we put Alex Walker (the credited photographer) and Comic Relief into Google Image search and find someone with a similar tracksuit (bearing in mind the bad photoshopping) we'll have our doper.

It's Davina McCall. I've a good mind to ask for my fiver back.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Both Evans and Donaldson were prosecuted under the same law. That the woman was too drunk to give consent even when every witness in this case states that she did so. It is quite literally impossible for only one of them to be guilty. The woman could not be too drunk to consent to sex with Evans AFTER being sober enough to consent to sex with Donaldson despite not having any more to drink.

It was a test case for a new anti men law pushed through by extreme feminists and it stinks. Evans may be scum but there is no sensible definition of the term that makes him a rapist.

Jessica Ennis-Hill was just another bandwagon jumper with a RR team.

Evans didn't spend the evening with the girl and go back to the hotel with her, he tricked his way into the room by getting a duplicate key from the reception after getting a text from his mate. She didn't agree to go back to the room with 2 men.

Its also entirely plausible that the effect of the alcohol consumed would increase in the hours after she stopped drinking as more of it was absorbed into the blood.

 

[TheSpud]

Excellent spot. Now if we put Alex Walker (the credited photographer) and Comic Relief into Google Image search and find someone with a similar tracksuit (bearing in mind the bad photoshopping) we'll have our doper.

It's Davina McCall. I've a good mind to ask for my fiver back.

Nice one - I tried a reverse image search and got nothing. Davina McCall - brilliant. Why didnt they just take a photo of someone from their office in a tracksuit?

 

[TheSpud]

Its also entirely plausible that the effect of the alcohol consumed would increase in the hours after she stopped drinking as more of it was absorbed into the blood.

Correct - this is why road safety campaigners dont like the idea of home breathalyser kits:

(a) it encourages people to drink up to the limit (like the old 50% hemo rule).
(b) when you measure you dont know if your alcohol level is on the way up or down.

The point being here that her alcohol level was probably on the way up when she first consented. Some time later, and after a bit of 'jiggling around', she could well have been more out of it and not able to give consent.

Anyway - it is somewhat off-topic for this thread.

 

[thehog]

Correct - this is why road safety campaigners dont like the idea of home breathalyser kits:

(a) it encourages people to drink up to the limit (like the old 50% hemo rule).
(b) when you measure you dont know if your alcohol level is on the way up or down.

The point being here that her alcohol level was probably on the way up when she first consented. Some time later, and after a bit of 'jiggling around', she could well have been more out of it and not able to give consent.

Anyway - it is somewhat off-topic for this thread.

It was more the point that she said "Wherever you're going" to gentleman one which implied the consent at the kebab shop. Gentleman two turned up without her invitation but claimed consent. She remembers nothing therefore gentleman two can only rely on his actions leading up to going to the hotel room. Gentleman one was approached by the girl in the kebab shop.

Her tweets, now deleted may not help in the appeal if it gets that far.

 

[ferryman]

Enough of the Evans talk folks.

 

[TheSpud]

Enough of the Evans talk folks.

Agreed, and noted.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A nice summary of not-so-recent British track and field doping politics posted in another thread.

http://www.globerunner.org/index.php/03/honestly/

 

[thehog]

A nice summary of not-so-recent British track and field doping politics posted in another thread.

http://www.globerunner.org/index.php/03/honestly/

Coe & Ovett raced (raged) against the machine in terms of not being paid during their careers due their amateur status. They fought the corrupt establishment.

Now Coe is that corrupt establishment. It appears...

 

[neineinei]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

 

[thehog]

someone has seen the lists it seems

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/544239048722624513
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.180

Digger had reported on Twitter some time ago.