Brits don't dope?

[thehog]

The american boycott is like Wiggo having his major competitors sidelined and having a flatter course ...

Sorry ... couldnt resist it.

The British like Australians love their anecdotal sporting stories. The cricketers are the worst. A book a year from most of them.

The only one I believe is Boon’s 52 can record from Sydney to London. I think Mike Gatting tried to break it and put himself into a near coma

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...-england-in-1989/story-e6frf3gl-1226670111988

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...743350512?nk=f438af6fed7608f9a898cf3e18293a37

 

[TheSpud]

The British like Australians love their anecdotal sporting stories. The cricketers are the worst. A book a year from most of them.

The only one I believe is Boon’s 52 can record from Sydney to London. I think Mike Gatting tried to break it and put himself into a near coma

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...-england-in-1989/story-e6frf3gl-1226670111988

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...743350512?nk=f438af6fed7608f9a898cf3e18293a37

Mike Gatting - what a character he was. He was so out of shape most of his career he wasn't able to see his feet when he looked down.

Got to give Boon some credit for 52 cans on one flight - i'd be in a coma doing 52 cans in a week!

 

[blackcat]

Mike Gatting - what a character he was. He was so out of shape most of his career he wasn't able to see his feet when he looked down.

Got to give Boon some credit for 52 cans on one flight - i'd be in a coma doing 52 cans in a week!

mike gatting

a moustache and the ball of the century.

reminds me of the walrus craig stadler

 

[thehog]

Mike Gatting - what a character he was. He was so out of shape most of his career he wasn't able to see his feet when he looked down.

Got to give Boon some credit for 52 cans on one flight - i'd be in a coma doing 52 cans in a week!

It equates to 34 pints!

The math is mind boggling:

The mathematics are mindboggling: 52 beers at 375ml each is 19.5 litres or 34.33 pints. Victoria Bitter, a popular full-strength Aussie beer, is 4.6% ABV. If that’s what Boon was drinking (history doesn’t relate), that’s very nearly 900ml of pure alcohol, or 89.7 UK units. Those in the know advise us that 21 units per week is as much as the average man should drink. Boon drank well over four times that in 24 hours.

http://72allout.wordpress.com/2012/...2-david-boon-smashes-52-not-out-in-a-session/

There was talk of the British 2003 Rugby side having a crack on the way home from Sydney:

The victorious English World Cup rugby squad is also rumoured to have had a crack, with hulking centre Mike Tindall coming close to 50 cans. “You can rest assured David Boon’s record is still standing,”Tindall’s centre partner, Will Greenwood, said later. “Tinds had a real go at it but we wanted to leave the Aussies with at least one title to hand on to.”

 

[Peter70]

Yes, the blocks story sounds Early-80s-Froomey-sandshoes-esque.

Not sure I'd believe it.

Except for being completely and utterly true in every respect, unlike the froome story. You used to have a choice whether or not to use starting blocks. It was the use of electronic timing that made them mandatory.

 

[oldcrank]

Except for being completely and utterly true in every respect, unlike the froome story. You used to have a choice whether or not to use starting blocks. It was the use of electronic timing that made them mandatory.

Yes my friend, and there is lots of YouTube
footage, including 1978 Euro's to back it up.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If we were really savvy, we could tie those trends to the trend of drugs. 1988 may be too early for sprinters' interest in EPO. Whatever Michael Johnson was on in 1996 looks popular. A field slow-down after BALCO in late 2004. Also, excepting Bolt, we see some compression of the rest of the field. Others are catching on/catching up.

But 1988 is perfect for the blood doping we know the cyclists were doing.

 

[thehog]

Yes my friend, and there is lots of YouTube
footage, including 1978 Euro's to back it up.

Any youtubes of Froome in sandshoes or beating Tour de France champion Alberto Contador on a mountain finish?

 

[Catwhoorg]

But 1988 is perfect for the blood doping we know the cyclists were doing.

1988

1980

No EPO/blood conspiracies needed. 'Roids and stimulants covers everything we need to know, and that is indeed what these guys were popped for.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...743350512?nk=f438af6fed7608f9a898cf3e18293a37

This one is great from the article:

"Way back in 1935-36, Australian captain Victor Richardson thought his side was drinking too much and told them after a day's play that a booze ban would be put into effect immediately.

As he spoke after a long, hot day, a waiter emerged in the dressingroom and put down a bin full of ice water with enticingly cold bottles of beer bobbing around in it just begging to be opened.

The booze ban lasted about 15 minutes until Richardson, tortured by the sight of the forbidden fruit, declared: "I've had a rethink and decided we should discuss the booze ban over a beer."

LMAO.

Must have been great times... those political in-correct ones.

Today? Booo beer is bad, but sophisticated doping is good as long not caught. Watta hypocrisy this political correct world is...

 

[thehog]

This one is great from the article:

"Way back in 1935-36, Australian captain Victor Richardson thought his side was drinking too much and told them after a day's play that a booze ban would be put into effect immediately.

As he spoke after a long, hot day, a waiter emerged in the dressingroom and put down a bin full of ice water with enticingly cold bottles of beer bobbing around in it just begging to be opened.

The booze ban lasted about 15 minutes until Richardson, tortured by the sight of the forbidden fruit, declared: "I've had a rethink and decided we should discuss the booze ban over a beer."

LMAO.

Must have been great times... those political in-correct ones.

Today? Booo beer is bad, but sophisticated doping is good as long not caught. Watta hypocrisy this political correct world is...

I think Booney was the model sportman. Marginal Gains. All 52 of them.

 

[The Hitch]

The american boycott is like Wiggo having his major competitors sidelined and having a flatter course ...

It really must be a massive coincidence how you have taken the exact same stands that the martinvickers profile based it's account around.

The "Wiggins had no competition at the tdf" was a particular fetish of that account which few of rhe other sky believers mentioned often, that he brought up in thread after thread.

And here you can't resist inserting it into am athletics thread where its totally off topic. Funny that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No EPO/blood conspiracies needed. 'Roids and stimulants covers everything we need to know, and that is indeed what these guys were popped for.

Not sure why you had to go to "conspiracy" as the descriptor for my post. It's a well-established fact that USOC were dodgy as fvck and cyclists at least were doing transfusions.

But the graphic, particularly if taken at the same point on the track is perfect.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Whether he (Alan Wells) was clean, well that's another matter. I'd like to believe it, but he emerged from being a mediocre long jumper in 1978 to equal the British record of 10.29, and then a couple of weeks later take it down to 10.15 before running Don Quarrie close at the Commonwealths. His training methods were unusual as well - no weight training but lots of circuits and particularly speed ball work. I actually think the speed ball work has merits for a sprinter in training the CNS, but it appears to have fallen out of favour since Wells.

I trained with some Polish sprinters at the time who had come to Manchester when Kazimiersz Deyna signed for Manchester City. They definitely couldn't believe that Wells wasn't on the juice,

Team mate Drew McMaster confessed to drug use and claimed it was widespread in the British Sprint team. The drug consumption was managed by Dr Jimmy Leadingham with **** at BAF turning a blind eye and Norman facilitating.

Have a look at this counter to McMaster's cliams http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/D I C K-fights-drugs-claim-1580224.html

".....Tony Ward, spokesman for the British Athletic Federation, said: "We do not comment on specific allegations of this nature. We are getting a bit tired of being the Aunt Sallies whenever drugs in sport comes up.

"This story is nine years out of date. The matter of drug abuse in the Seventies and early Eighties was dealt with through the independent inquiry set up by the sport in 1987. As a direct result, we introduced some of the toughest testing and punishment measure.

"Our out-of competition-testing is the envy of the athletics world, and should be the envy of other sports in Britain."...."

not news.....old story....all dealt with......now CLEANS.......nothing to see here......move along now.....look at the latest bright news stars - Wigggins Froome and Thomas - aren't they the people you can believe in.

Let's place that statement from the BAF at a point in time. Christie was the current 100m Olympic Champion and had yest to be popped. The British sprinter group and their allied buddies at Nuf Resepct were the only real cash cow in British Athletics as all the middle distance runners had folded and Sally Gunnel was not going to make the finals at a major event again. However, the Nuf Respect stable were going to generate a number of positives in the next few years and here is this BAF spokesman coming out with pure comedy gold.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Not sure why you had to go to "conspiracy" as the descriptor for my post. It's a well-established fact that USOC were dodgy as fvck and cyclists at least were doing transfusions.

But the graphic, particularly if taken at the same point on the track is perfect.

Wasn't meant to be anything other than a plain statement.

We really don't have to go digging for what they were using, so many got popped and for the drugs expected based on the body composition changes.

Sprinters now microdosing EPO to train harder and recover faster is a fair comment.

 

[lilac harry quinn]

@Freddy, McMaster never actually tested positive did he? I can't remember many British athletes being popped until the early 1990s: Modahl, Paul Edwards, Janine Whitlock etc before the floodgates opened with the nandrolone positives.

Didn't McMaster wear a wire to try to get a confession from Wells? All through this time David Jenkins was passing doping tests.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wasn't meant to be anything other than a plain statement.

We really don't have to go digging for what they were using, so many got popped and for the drugs expected based on the body composition changes.

Sprinters now microdosing EPO to train harder and recover faster is a fair comment.

Yeah I am a bit touchy - thanks for clarifying

Steroids also help with increased RBCs, as well as recovery. The anaerobic nature would be helped more with them.

EPO's angiogenic properties could help with increased power in the sprint? More / better ATP storage?

A mess either way. So annoying they get away with it with so little press or investigation.

 

[Freddythefrog]

@Freddy, McMaster never actually tested positive did he? I can't remember many British athletes being popped until the early 1990s: Modahl, Paul Edwards, Janine Whitlock etc before the floodgates opened with the nandrolone positives.

Didn't McMaster wear a wire to try to get a confession from Wells? All through this time David Jenkins was passing doping tests.

All clean as a whistle according to the tests.

Yes, McMaster wore a wire and got various conversations on tape but the authorities kicked his evidence out. The Sunday Times ran with his story and D - i - c - k was going to sue them. A lot of hot air was produced rubbishing McMaster but I can find no evidence that D - i - c - k actually proceeded with the case. The story got quietly dropped and Nuf Respect carried on winning stuff and all was well in the world. Bit like now. I have my copy of the Daily Telegraph sports supplement with the exact words "THE BIGGEST DOPING COVER-UP IN ATHLETICS HISTORY" on the front page alongside a picture of Flo-Jo and here we are, not even 10 days later and the story is silenced.

Not silenced due to the 10 Moroccans or the 12 Greek athletes but because one GB star with a "previously unblemished record" was about to be exposed.

It makes you wonder how Peter Keen got his job at UK Sport. There are some serious skeletons people want to remain buried. I never did think that Boardman's 99 sample would be around for re-testing years later.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Not silenced due to the 10 Moroccans or the 12 Greek athletes but because one GB star with a "previously unblemished record" was about to be exposed.

Don't the Greeks prefer to stage motorbike accidents when awkward questions are about to be asked?

Anyway, do you know how the story is being silenced? Libel seems unlikely as stating that someone was on the list is simply a statement of fact (if the list is genuine). Defamation? (Highlighting the name on the list is implicitly saying they've been doping). Some sort of injunction?

It seems odd that the names haven't made it into the public domain by now, as these things are nigh on impossible to stop these days even with legal threats and injunctions. Ryan Giggs got outed for sh*gging his sister-in-law despite a super injunction and a few years back the names and deeds of some English rugby players accused of sexual shinanegans were widely known on the internet within a day or two, despite court orders etc.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

... dealt with through the independent inquiry set up by the sport in 1987...

Man, if the UCI/CIRC only had the innovative minds of Brailsford/Lienders/Yates. Outdated techniques like they're from the stone age! Imagine the marginal gains that could be had if they brought science and innovation to their management!

 

[TheSpud]

It really must be a massive coincidence how you have taken the exact same stands that the martinvickers profile based it's account around.

The "Wiggins had no competition at the tdf" was a particular fetish of that account which few of rhe other sky believers mentioned often, that he brought up in thread after thread.

And here you can't resist inserting it into am athletics thread where its totally off topic. Funny that.

Do we really need to go through this again?

Anyway, lets assume we do.



Its no real coincidence. If you must know I was looking back through some old threads to refresh my memory on a few things and came across a lot of posts where it was discussed.

Given TheHogs sandshoe post I felt it was a good response. No more – no less.

 

[thehog]

Do we really need to go through this again?

Anyway, lets assume we do.



Its no real coincidence. If you must know I was looking back through some old threads to refresh my memory on a few things and came across a lot of posts where it was discussed.

Given TheHogs sandshoe post I felt it was a good response. No more – no less.

Truth be told it's Walsh's sandshoes story, not mine. I only repeat it for the sheer hilarity of it all.

Struth! guv! He was wearing f#%$ing sandshoes!

 

[TheSpud]

Truth be told it's Walsh's sandshoes story, not mine. I only repeat it for the sheer hilarity of it all.

Struth! guv! He was wearing f#%$ing sandshoes!

And you quoting it (or bits of it) in response to Wells not using blocks is what made me post the Wigs comment (ie the flat course).

The fact is though, Contador wasn't there (who would have been a contender), Evans was sick, and when the route was announced it was widely acknowledged that it would be better for Wiggins than previous routes. That doesn't mean it favoured him - just that previous routes were seen as not favourable, certainly by the press (rightly or wrongly).

 

[thehog]

And you quoting it (or bits of it) in response to Wells not using blocks is what made me post the Wigs comment (ie the flat course).

The fact is though, Contador wasn't there (who would have been a contender), Evans was sick, and when the route was announced it was widely acknowledged that it would be better for Wiggins than previous routes. That doesn't mean it favoured him - just that previous routes were seen as not favourable, certainly by the press (rightly or wrongly).

True. Just like Ex-poster Martin Vickers had said.

 

[TheSpud]

True. Just like Ex-poster Martin Vickers had said.

He may well have done. Me posting facts : Contador banned and Evans ill, doesn't make me him even if he may have posted that way in the past.

Sorry, but you're wrong. It really is getting a bit annoying now.