Brits don't dope?

[neineinei]

The 2015 CODE is softer on "unintentional violations", it might have helped them to have had their cases tried in January and not in 2014.

Sometimes when an athlete gets a couple of months extra it is because they have a previous ADRV on the CV. But two months.. must have been something very minor, a public warning no one's heard of?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I immediately went to this scenario:

Athlete:
* find a supplier of supplements that contains a steroid.
* purchase a single bottle and take a few. keep the rest for laters.
* take the same steroid, straight, with impunity
* if caught, produce bottle of supplements and ... no wait ...
* if caught, proclaim innocence and ask for time to research the supplements you take. reveal guilty supplement and beg forgiveness for your ignorance.

Supplement "manufacturer":
* claim innocence based on reselling supplements vs actual manufacture

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD will post the summary judgement, once the appeals windows have passed.

It will be spelled out there for all to see.

Dear Wiggo does have the scenario I dislike covered, but ultimately an excessive penalty if someone truly is a victim of accidental contamination, then they probably shouldn't be punished excessively.

 

[blackcat]

there are easier and less complicated ways to avoid doping positives

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAd has the written decision up

http://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/Files/2015/UKAD_vs_Warburton_Williams_351_352.pdf

I'll read it later.

 

[Catwhoorg]

The panel did conduct the hearing basically with an eye on the 2015 regulations.

Basically the made the judgement under them, rather than have the athletes appeal come Jan 1st.

Main difference between the 6 month and 4 month ban is the latter declared the supplement on the doping control form.

 

[lilac harry quinn]

It never fails to amaze me how both athletes and governing bodies fall for these snake oil salesmen like Darren Foote. Here we have Rhys Williams, disappointed with his generic supplements and seeking something more 'specific'; along comes Foote with his military background and his diploma in sports nutrition and Williams says "I'm buying."

Any idiot or quack can set themselves up as a 'nutritionist' in the UK: it means nothing. So whenever I hear about this or that 'nutritionist' rather than dietician, (and all top sportspeople and teams have them),the alarm bills start to ring. Were Warburton and Williams simply naive? I very much doubt it.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Reg...-drink-maker-says-doped-products-tested-clean

The third party manufacturer of the Mountain Fuel sports drink that has been blamed in a UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) independent panel ruling for the ‘inadvertent’ steroid doping of two Welsh track Olympians, says the products were tested after the UKAD adverse finding and found to be contaminant free.

Under-license manufacturer Cambridge Commodities said each ingredient and raw material, along with the particular blackcurrant batch flagged by UKAD, was tested after Rhys Williams and Gareth Warburton blew up positive for steroids in the lead up to the Glasgow Commonwealth Games last summer.

Products the athletes sent to UKAD then came up contaminated with the same substances, even while the raw materials and contracted blend in the same batch have tested clean, according to Cambridge Commodities.

“There was no contamination in any of the tested products or ingredients,” said Cambridge Commodities financial controller Neil Hammill.

Wales-based Mountain Fuel owner and founder Darren Foote told us many other athletes using the same products including boxers, cyclists and mountaineers had been tested with no adverse findings, as had the products themselves.

 

[neineinei]

Foote has defended the innocence of the athletes to whom he was also giving nutrition advice, and said he maintains a good relation with them even though they no longer utilise Mountain Fuel products. He said sales had spiked in the blackcurrant version of the product since the incident.

Brits don't dope, they just love blackcurrants.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Brits don't dope, they just love blackcurrants.

I laughed.

 

[neineinei]

We love blackcurrants in Norway too. It's a must when skiing. Mountain Fuel might have customers on this side of the North Sea too.

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD has the written decision up

http://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/Files/2015/UKAD_vs_Warburton_Williams_351_352.pdf

I'll read it later.

Because of the short bans, and both basically got time served under the provisional suspensions, this has already dropped off the current sanctions list on UKAD. They are on the list of historical sanctions.

This link still gets to the decision document though.

 

[blackcat]

oh man, as long as this thread stays alive i will have to refute allegations the brits dope when they dont dope they go to gordonstoun and public schools and they row and they do what radcliffe and murray did thru sheer bl00dy minded determination.

oh yeah, no way prince andrew would sleep with a 17yo, he might have the lips of a pervert thanks sheila heti but he has the morals of a windsor

 

[Hawkwood]

Brits don't dope, they just love blackcurrants.

Haven't you heard of the old British favourite Ribena? I had a summer job at a blackcurrant farm in Kent back in the 80s, it's entire output went into this drink.

 

[King Boonen]

I immediately went to this scenario:

Athlete:
* find a supplier of supplements that contains a steroid.
* purchase a single bottle and take a few. keep the rest for laters.
* take the same steroid, straight, with impunity
* if caught, produce bottle of supplements and ... no wait ...
* if caught, proclaim innocence and ask for time to research the supplements you take. reveal guilty supplement and beg forgiveness for your ignorance.

Supplement "manufacturer":
* claim innocence based on reselling supplements vs actual manufacture

No need for the first one fella. Of course everyone knows supplements containing steroids are widespread, the BBC report it all the time! So, just add a bit of your dope to any supplement...

 

[Cloxxki]

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Reg...-drink-maker-says-doped-products-tested-clean

Should they not sue the athletes for defamation and fraud? Destroying long standing reputation, producing contaminated products that were shipped out uncontaminated?

 

[sniper]

just checked the history of winners of the five Monuments.
Simpson 1965 (Lombardy)
.....gap....
Cavendish 2009 (Milan-SR)

I'd expect more history from a country that has dominated track cycling over more than a decade and the TdF in 2012 and 2013.

Wonder what GB's Classics record looks like (including Stannard 2015)
Too lazy. Anybody?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

just checked the history of winners of the five Monuments.
Simpson 1965 (Lombardy)
.....gap....
Cavendish 2009 (Milan-SR)

I'd expect more history from a country that has dominated track cycling over more than a decade and the TdF in 2012 and 2013.

Wonder what GB's Classics record looks like (including Stannard 2015)
Too lazy. Anybody?

Aside from the three riders mentioned, the only British classic winner I can think of is Barry Hoban in Gent-Wevelgem. The Classics are completely ignored here, you'd think the media which devoted thousands of words to Britain's flop at the track worlds last week would be lapping up the success of the last two days. At best, the papers tomorrow will devote a few sentences to the two wins.

 

[roundabout]

I am thinking Sciandri was a decent classics rider. Is he British enough to be considered?

 

[ebandit]

just checked the history of winners of the five Monuments.
Simpson 1965 (Lombardy)
.....gap....
Cavendish 2009 (Milan-SR)

I'd expect more history from a country that has dominated track cycling over more than a decade and the TdF in 2012 and 2013.

did you consider just how few british riders were riding each event in the stated period?

track cycling saw british success due to lottery funding aiming to net olympic
golds..........there was no such investment in road racing

Mark L

 

[sniper]

Seems that for decades GB cycling has been run by retards not interested in technology and nutrition...

More seriously: if GB's rise in road cycling were down to the peloton gradually becoming cleaner, wouldn't we expect their rise to have become noticeable first in the Classics and Monuments (where most except David Walsh seem to agree it is easier for clean riders to get results) and only later in the GTs...?

 

[alspacka]

How dare you lot deign question the moral fortitude of us proud brits. This outrage will not stand. Now, pucker up and show some contrition to my bust of dame Judi Dench.

Ps. roger Hammond must've won something at some point. And with the aid of nothing more than lean pork chops, to be sure.

 

[roundabout]

Don't think he did, actually. Should have tried baby food instead.

 

[The Hitch]

just checked the history of winners of the five Monuments.
Simpson 1965 (Lombardy)
.....gap....
Cavendish 2009 (Milan-SR)

I'd expect more history from a country that has dominated track cycling over more than a decade and the TdF in 2012 and 2013.

Wonder what GB's Classics record looks like (including Stannard 2015)
Too lazy. Anybody?

Well that's an easy one. Doping started in 1965, and ended in 2009.

 

[The Hitch]

Seems that for decades GB cycling has been run by retards not interested in technology and nutrition...

Not just GB cycling. According to Brailsford and every pro sky book ever written the whole of pro cycling has been run by retards not interested in technology and nutrition.

that's why kerrison was able to revolutionize the time trial 1 year after watching his first cycling race.