Brits don't dope?

[thehog]

Thought this was funny:

Britain’s number 5 tennis player James Ward has made a surprising intervention into the Brexit debate on the opening day of Wimbledon, urging people to “stop panicking” and revealing that he had voted to leave and was happy with his decision.

In a press conference immediately after his straight sets defeat by the defending champion Novak Djokovic, Ward said: “Yeah, I voted out. I’m not fussed saying it. I don’t know others who are or not. But yeah, I voted out. I’m happy with my decision.”

Ward, the son of a London black cabbie who is being sponsored at the tournament by the Sun newspaper, added: “I think we’ll be all right. Everyone needs to stop panicking and we’ll be fine.”

Yes, lets ask the British guy he just got smashed off the court what he things about Brexit.. :lol:

 

[Ramon Koran]

Thought this was funny:

Britain’s number 5 tennis player James Ward has made a surprising intervention into the Brexit debate on the opening day of Wimbledon, urging people to “stop panicking” and revealing that he had voted to leave and was happy with his decision.

In a press conference immediately after his straight sets defeat by the defending champion Novak Djokovic, Ward said: “Yeah, I voted out. I’m not fussed saying it. I don’t know others who are or not. But yeah, I voted out. I’m happy with my decision.”

Ward, the son of a London black cabbie who is being sponsored at the tournament by the Sun newspaper, added: “I think we’ll be all right. Everyone needs to stop panicking and we’ll be fine.”

Yes, lets ask the British guy he just got smashed off the court what he things about Brexit.. :lol:

And you posted this, in this thread because?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Thought this was funny:

Britain’s number 5 tennis player James Ward has made a surprising intervention into the Brexit debate on the opening day of Wimbledon, urging people to “stop panicking” and revealing that he had voted to leave and was happy with his decision.

In a press conference immediately after his straight sets defeat by the defending champion Novak Djokovic, Ward said: “Yeah, I voted out. I’m not fussed saying it. I don’t know others who are or not. But yeah, I voted out. I’m happy with my decision.”

Ward, the son of a London black cabbie who is being sponsored at the tournament by the Sun newspaper, added: “I think we’ll be all right. Everyone needs to stop panicking and we’ll be fine.”

Yes, lets ask the British guy he just got smashed off the court what he things about Brexit.. :lol:

And you posted this, in this thread because?

Only a guess but - because he was British and made a quick exit?

 

[blackcat]

Thought this was funny:

Britain’s number 5 tennis player James Ward has made a surprising intervention into the Brexit debate on the opening day of Wimbledon, urging people to “stop panicking” and revealing that he had voted to leave and was happy with his decision.

In a press conference immediately after his straight sets defeat by the defending champion Novak Djokovic, Ward said: “Yeah, I voted out. I’m not fussed saying it. I don’t know others who are or not. But yeah, I voted out. I’m happy with my decision.”

Ward, the son of a London black cabbie who is being sponsored at the tournament by the Sun newspaper, added: “I think we’ll be all right. Everyone needs to stop panicking and we’ll be fine.”

Yes, lets ask the British guy he just got smashed off the court what he things about Brexit.. :lol:

it could not be funnier if you made it up, infact, its funnier it being real

 

[Mr.38%]

Re: Re:

There may be different levels of testing. So maybe they are taking blood as well as urine this time?

What would a blood test do? Blood is for longitudinal studies/profiles (given they keep it < 50).

 

[Benotti69]

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There may be different levels of testing. So maybe they are taking blood as well as urine this time?

What would a blood test do? Blood is for longitudinal studies/profiles (given they keep it < 50).

Blood testing allows for the detection of additional substances that in some cases may not be able to be detected in urine. Additionally, blood samples allow for the use of longitudinal data collection, often called the biological passport. Longitudinal data collection monitors certain bio markers over time to detect the use of performance enhancing substances and/or methods.

:Neutral:

 

[thehog]

Perhaps the wrong thread but its mighty impressive, whether it be running WADA, the IAAF, the UCI, the England football team or a referendum how the Brits keep shooting themselves in the foot and rely more on spin than substance. Its been quite the year!

 

[Mr.38%]

Re: Re:

There may be different levels of testing. So maybe they are taking blood as well as urine this time?

What would a blood test do? Blood is for longitudinal studies/profiles (given they keep it < 50).

Blood testing allows for the detection of additional substances that in some cases may not be able to be detected in urine. Additionally, blood samples allow for the use of longitudinal data collection, often called the biological passport. Longitudinal data collection monitors certain bio markers over time to detect the use of performance enhancing substances and/or methods.

:Neutral:

So, which "additional substances" are these??

Seriously, ever so often these quack testers mess up and they need three attempts to hit a vein. They should just stop it if they didn't use it for anything that actually helps to bust somebody. My arms could serve on a pic for wikipedia and still they are too stupid.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Teenage Gabriel Evans (Discussed a while back) National Junior 10M TT champion at finally get his ban announced.

3 years 6 months for EPO, the long time span being determined at least in part by an appeal which eventually was denied.
The reduction by 6 months was due to the immaturity of the athlete.

Press release
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/cyclist-gabriel-evans-banned-for-possession-and-use-of-epo

Decision
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7142

Appeal document
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/b/7142


Not sure I agree with the 6 month reduction, but otherwise this is pretty much an open and shut case.
Including Go Pro camera footage (as mentioned in the appeal) of the athlete getting a vial of EPO from a fridge.

 

[thehog]

The plot thickens.....

 

[Cake]

I'm not sure why Hajo Seppelt is mentioned on that tweet from Arbuthnott? Having checked his Twitter, he seems to have posted only once in the last two and a half weeks.

 

[sniper]

if this is the same as what seppelt has just tweeted about, then it concerns a kenyan doping ring, apparently with some british/european athletes involved.

 

[sniper]

on a side, Britain is the first country to win 5 out of the first 8 TdF stages since 1974.
legit.

 

[gooner]

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I'm not sure why Hajo Seppelt is mentioned on that tweet from Arbuthnott? Having checked his Twitter, he seems to have posted only once in the last two and a half weeks.

ARD and the ST have been collaborating on these stories for some time. I think ARD have a documentary on this tonight too.

 

[Cake]

Might actually buy the Sunday Times tomorrow for once

 

[sniper]

the story is already up on the ARD website:
http://laem.sportschau.de/amsterdam2016/nachrichten/Neue-Belege-fuer-Doping-in-Kenia,kenia204.html
so a kenyan doping doc admitting he doped 50 athletes amongst whom 3 brits.
no names, as far as i can tell.
UKAD takes accusations seriously and will start an investigation.

 

[thehog]

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the story is already up on the ARD website:
http://laem.sportschau.de/amsterdam2016/nachrichten/Neue-Belege-fuer-Doping-in-Kenia,kenia204.html
so a kenyan doping doc admitting he doped 50 athletes amongst whom 3 brits.
no names, as far as i can tell.
UKAD takes accusations seriously and will start an investigation.

UKAD issued a statement;

"Seriously?! Stop this *** already. We are bored. We are going to the Games as tourists to live it up and get drunk and you keep making us have to do some work, please just let us be testing C class athletes".

 

[thehog]

Banging shots before a race... UKAD what?

 

[BullsFan22]

I hope this exposes the Brits. Big time. The 2012 Olympic medal haul was more suspicious than the Russians in Sochi. Hope they go after the hard hitters: Farah, Ennis, Ohuroguou, Radcliffe, Salazar, Wiggins, etc.

 

[ferryman]

I hope this exposes the Brits. Big time. The 2012 Olympic medal haul was more suspicious than the Russians in Sochi. Hope they go after the hard hitters: Farah, Ennis, Ohuroguou, Radcliffe, Salazar, Wiggins, etc.

And, erm, that Kenyan guy, Froome I think his name is....

 

[kwikki]

I think the interesting thing about this story is that it is not new. The Kenyan end of this story has been in the public domain for at least 4 years. Even Kenyan TV had made a documentary about it some time ago.

The only reason it has hit the UK press, and forced the response from UKAD, is because a doctor has been filmed saying he treated a few British athletes.

To me, the story suggests several things. Firstly, that UKAD really don't want to be proactive, because if they did they would have been over to Kenya r years ago, and at the very least made it public that they were showing an interest.

But the really troubling thing is not that EPO is being supplied in Kenya. It's a total non-story because EPO is available everywhere. You can buy it on the internet and have it posted to you from China in a week. The information on dosage and management is also available. If you can't be bothered to organise it yourself you find a Dr Bonar somewhere.

So this being the case, why is it a story, and why are UKAD trying to sound stern about it. To me it suggests that the battle against cheating in sports is well and truly lost, and the only thing to be done by anti-doping authorities is to trying and sound competent and in control and make a big noise anytime some careless small-time fails a dope test.

 

[msjett]

Seems that the AD's of most countries are not overly proactive in these situations. But I can only imagine that whoever these athletes are, they are probably athletes that never won medals. Noone really seems interested in exposing the cheating winners (only the lower place getters), it is bad for business.

If only something like this would make other countries look a bit closer at their athletes extracurricular activities, cause they all be at the same game... :razz:

 

[kwikki]

I suppose if anti-doping authorities catch lots of dopers it makes it look like there's a doping problem.

If there's a doping problem, it means anti-doping isn't working. Catch 22.

 

[msjett]

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I suppose if anti-doping authorities catch lots of dopers it makes it look like there's a doping problem.

If there's a doping problem, it means anti-doping isn't working. Catch 22.

Good point...

I guess the anti-doping means that the athletes don't dope as much as they could or would like...

 

[kwikki]

Very possibly, although of course it then comes down to who can afford the newest undetectable drugs and who can afford to pay for expertise in positive test evasion. Naturally, in this respect success (money) breeds success (ability to pay for the above) so I suppose it is no surprise that only small-fry gets caught.

What anti-doping authorities actually say to each other in private about what they can achieve might be very different from their stated 'vision'.