Brits don't dope?

[brownbobby]

Both the BBC and the Daily Telegraph are running Gatlin stories today. You'd think the DT would be interested in putting the hurt on rival paper The Times? Or the Beeb taking a swipe at SKY? No chance.

Charming. Who doesn't love a bit of racial stereotyping to insult a whole nation every now and again.

ps. We're not really a race these days, more an ethnic grouping

 

[TheSpud]

Both the BBC and the Daily Telegraph are running Gatlin stories today. You'd think the DT would be interested in putting the hurt on rival paper The Times? Or the Beeb taking a swipe at SKY? No chance.

Probably more to do with a twice banned current world champion who was roundly booed after winning the WC associating with people offering to supply doping products (and indeed stating that Gatlin was taking those same products). Last time I looked Froome wasn't banned (let alone twice) - not yet anyway.

 

[brownbobby]

Both the BBC and the Daily Telegraph are running Gatlin stories today. You'd think the DT would be interested in putting the hurt on rival paper The Times? Or the Beeb taking a swipe at SKY? No chance. The British are an unpleasant race.

Probably more to do with a twice banned current world champion who was roundly booed after winning the WC associating with people offering to supply doping products (and indeed stating that Gatlin was taking those same products). Last time I looked Froome wasn't banned (let alone twice) - not yet anyway. And to say 'The British are an unpleasant race' is pretty low and bordering on racism ...

It's not bordering on racism at all. It is racism. Full stop.

It's actually Xenophobia. But as we are referred to as a race, then racism was the intent.

Xenophobia or racism. Take your pick, both deeply unpleasant.

 

[Benotti69]

Both the BBC and the Daily Telegraph are running Gatlin stories today. You'd think the DT would be interested in putting the hurt on rival paper The Times? Or the Beeb taking a swipe at SKY? No chance.

Probably more to do with a twice banned current world champion who was roundly booed after winning the WC associating with people offering to supply doping products (and indeed stating that Gatlin was taking those same products). Last time I looked Froome wasn't banned (let alone twice) - not yet anyway.

Maybe if they did some journalistic work they would find the doping at Sky. BBC too busy waving flags about British sports stars to talk about doping. Look at Farah. Look at Wiggins and then look at Froome. Not hard to call it.

There is a certain Little Englander mindset, see Brexit.

Edited by King Boonen: Removed reference to deleted remark, hope I haven't changed the meaning.

 

[Franklin]

Brits are not a race

But like other great sporting nation they are extremely good in looking at other countries for doping stories and dislike looking in their own closet. Same goes for the Dutch (who in sports punch way above their weight, but that's all on "Pindakaas").

On UKAD... every Anti-doping agency is pathetic, simply because they are hilariously outgunned financially and lack any political backing. The only anti-doping agencies who actually manage to bring real cases forward are the Spanish and the Italians... but no way they even dent the problem. That said, I always feel the bile coming up when Spanish and Italian sports are pointed out to be dirty. Sure they are, but considering the absolute and utter unwillingness of North -western Europe to even pursue established doping cases I find it all distasteful.

 

[thehog]

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Brits are not a race

But like other great sporting nation they are extremely good in looking at other countries for doping stories and dislike looking in their own closet. Same goes for the Dutch (who in sports punch way above their weight, but that's all on "Pindakaas").

On UKAD... every Anti-doping agency is pathetic, simply because they are hilariously outgunned financially and lack any political backing. The only anti-doping agencies who actually manage to bring real cases forward are the Spanish and the Italians... but no way they even dent the problem. That said, I always feel the bile coming up when Spanish and Italian sports are pointed out to be dirty. Sure they are, but considering the absolute and utter unwillingness of North -western Europe to even pursue established doping cases I find it all distasteful.

Yes, the UKAD spent so much time telling everyone how good they were they got tasked with doing AD in Russia. That’s what you get for telling total BS to appease your fawning audiences :lol:

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/42465404

British sprinter Nigel Levine has failed a drugs test.

Levine, 28, is alleged to have tested positive for the banned asthma drug clenbuterol and the Daily Mail reports he is waiting for his B sample result.

The European indoor gold medallist broke his pelvis in a motorbike crash in Spain in January - the accident also involved fellow Briton James Ellington.

Levine has returned to training but has not competed since and in April he told BBC Sport he was coping "pretty well".

Clenbuterol is on the World Anti-Doping Agency's prohibited list because it is deemed a performance-enhancing drug and can induce weight-loss.

 

[sittingbison]

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...Levine has returned to training but has not competed since and in April he told BBC Sport he was coping "pretty well".

Clenbuterol is on the World Anti-Doping Agency's prohibited list because it is deemed a performance-enhancing drug and can induce weight-loss.

Should have stuck with Sal, even a double dose. He could have used Dawgs defence when Dawg gets off scott free

 

[Robert5091]

Give millions of children asthma then ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...s-nitrogen-dioxide-labour-party-a8130466.html
... world beating sports champions!

 

[macbindle]

Both the BBC and the Daily Telegraph are running Gatlin stories today. You'd think the DT would be interested in putting the hurt on rival paper The Times? Or the Beeb taking a swipe at SKY? No chance.

Probably more to do with a twice banned current world champion who was roundly booed after winning the WC associating with people offering to supply doping products (and indeed stating that Gatlin was taking those same products). Last time I looked Froome wasn't banned (let alone twice) - not yet anyway.

Maybe if they did some journalistic work they would find the doping at Sky. BBC too busy waving flags about British sports stars to talk about doping. Look at Farah. Look at Wiggins and then look at Froome. Not hard to call it.

There is a certain Little Englander mindset, see Brexit.

Edited by King Boonen: Removed reference to deleted remark, hope I haven't changed the meaning.

See Brexit? See Scotland. See Catalonia. Just saying.

But yes, essentially you are right, the BBC is never going to be at the forefront of pursuing suspicions about Team Sky, nor Farah, Sutcliffe, or any of them. That's probably something to do with its position as state broadcaster. It's never going to be particularly radical about anything, especially after getting its fingers burned in the Iraq dossier debacle.

The same isn't true of the print media though. The Daily Mail broke the story about the Jiffy, and the Guardian broke the Salbutamol story. I've not read anything for ages in the Guardian about Team Sky that has been positive. Even Cycling Weakly is negative.

Does it have to be British media, digging the dirt on Team Sky? It's only British in name, staff are international and it is owned by an Australian. The main rider is culturally South African. I'm sure there are plenty of media outlets digging but none of them are coming up with much which is why everyone is getting excited about Froome taking too much asthma spray. Whatever real dirt there is, it is buried deep.

 

[buckle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/42558028

Brits don't do dope tests!

 

[MartinGT]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/42558028

Brits don't do dope tests!

"truly exceptional circumstances"

What was that then?

It was claimed by Bailey at the time of the test that some bottles of water made available to him by the officer from the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport (CCES), who was acting on behalf on UK Anti-Doping, seemed not to be sealed.

If he didnt drink any, well then surly he is ok? If he did, then fair play. But why drink and then ask questions / refuse later.

 

[King Boonen]

If I were called on to do an anti-doping test and some of the water offered to me looked like it might have been tampered with I think I would also refuse to do it. It's fairy reasonable to assume that, if you believe someone might have tampered with one part of the testing procedure, then you would believe that they would tamper with another part post sampling.

I don't think that's what happened. I think he probably knew he would test positive and found an easy way out. I would guess that it's highly likely he knew that bottles of water are previously opened a lot of the time (maybe multiple tests in a day) and it was a good get out of jail free clause.

In the end the correct verdict has come out of it. The anti-doping agencies' failure is their fault.

 

[Benotti69]

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If I were called on to do an anti-doping test and some of the water offered to me looked like it might have been tampered with I think I would also refuse to do it. It's fairy reasonable to assume that, if you believe someone might have tampered with one part of the testing procedure, then you would believe that they would tamper with another part post sampling.

I don't think that's what happened. I think he probably knew he would test positive and found an easy way out. I would guess that it's highly likely he knew that bottles of water are previously opened a lot of the time (maybe multiple tests in a day) and it was a good get out of jail free clause.

In the end the correct verdict has come out of it. The anti-doping agencies' failure is their fault.

Yes, they tend to fail at their job quite a lot. Amazing that. They should be working in PR....oh wait......

 

[macbindle]

Re: Re:

If I were called on to do an anti-doping test and some of the water offered to me looked like it might have been tampered with I think I would also refuse to do it. It's fairy reasonable to assume that, if you believe someone might have tampered with one part of the testing procedure, then you would believe that they would tamper with another part post sampling.

I don't think that's what happened. I think he probably knew he would test positive and found an easy way out. I would guess that it's highly likely he knew that bottles of water are previously opened a lot of the time (maybe multiple tests in a day) and it was a good get out of jail free clause.

In the end the correct verdict has come out of it. The anti-doping agencies' failure is their fault.

Yes, they tend to fail at their job quite a lot. Amazing that. They should be working in PR....oh wait......

Chronically underfunded, inevitably playing catchup with doping pharma and techniques. I'm sure that there are many in anti-doping who try to do a good job but in essence you are right in that it amounts to a PR effort as much as anything.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

If I were called on to do an anti-doping test and some of the water offered to me looked like it might have been tampered with I think I would also refuse to do it. It's fairy reasonable to assume that, if you believe someone might have tampered with one part of the testing procedure, then you would believe that they would tamper with another part post sampling.

I don't think that's what happened. I think he probably knew he would test positive and found an easy way out. I would guess that it's highly likely he knew that bottles of water are previously opened a lot of the time (maybe multiple tests in a day) and it was a good get out of jail free clause.

In the end the correct verdict has come out of it. The anti-doping agencies' failure is their fault.

Yes, they tend to fail at their job quite a lot. Amazing that. They should be working in PR....oh wait......

Chronically underfunded, inevitably playing catchup with doping pharma and techniques. I'm sure that there are many in anti-doping who try to do a good job but in essence you are right in that it amounts to a PR effort as much as anything.

I disagree, anti-doping isn’t really a tool to stop doping but to contain doping enough so there is no scandal. Bio passport etc. are excellent tools to warn athletes to taper back without the need for suspension or public notice.

 

[macbindle]

Re: Re:

If I were called on to do an anti-doping test and some of the water offered to me looked like it might have been tampered with I think I would also refuse to do it. It's fairy reasonable to assume that, if you believe someone might have tampered with one part of the testing procedure, then you would believe that they would tamper with another part post sampling.

I don't think that's what happened. I think he probably knew he would test positive and found an easy way out. I would guess that it's highly likely he knew that bottles of water are previously opened a lot of the time (maybe multiple tests in a day) and it was a good get out of jail free clause.

In the end the correct verdict has come out of it. The anti-doping agencies' failure is their fault.

Yes, they tend to fail at their job quite a lot. Amazing that. They should be working in PR....oh wait......

Chronically underfunded, inevitably playing catchup with doping pharma and techniques. I'm sure that there are many in anti-doping who try to do a good job but in essence you are right in that it amounts to a PR effort as much as anything.

I disagree, anti-doping isn’t really a tool to stop doping but to contain doping enough so there is no scandal. Bio passport etc. are excellent tools to warn athletes to taper back without the need for suspension or public notice.

I agree with that in so far as anti-doping prevents a free for all, athletes have to take care in order not to get caught. However, there have been scandals, plenty of them. Just look at who lines up for 100m. Look at Meldonium Maria, and Clentador (yes, I know it looks like a cover-up was attempted) And now Froome. A scandal. Another possible attempted cover up, I know.

 

[Craigee]

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

 

[Choppy Warburton]

Re:

Mere conjecture.

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

 

[Craigee]

Re: Re:

Mere conjecture.

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

Ha Ha Ha

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Mere conjecture.

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

That you are still here with us Choppy, which i am glad, kind of proves that you doped!

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

This is ***...written by people who need a demon, not by people who've read the history.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

This is ***...written by people who need a demon, not by people who've read the history.

So your new book then?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

Who would have thought it? The Brits were the first to dope and die from doping in the sport we all love here on this forum, Cycling.


1897[edit]
Choppy Warburton of Haslingden, England died aged 52. He was described by the Lancashire Family History Society:

“ "Choppy has been firmly identified as the instigator of drug-taking in the sport [cycling] in the 19th century."[11] ”

Warburton was banned from the sport after unproven claims of massive doping in the 1896 Bordeaux–Paris. His activities may have contributed to the early deaths of Arthur Linton, Tom Linton and Jimmy Michael.[

This is ***...written by people who need a demon, not by people who've read the history.

So your new book then?

It's already a book https://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/8/9/2352921/Choppy-Warburton

 

[fmk_RoI]

More on Choppy https://www.podiumcafe.com/book-corner/2015/5/12/8590555/the-decline-and-fall-of-choppy-waburton