Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[movingtarget]

He never looked right from the first stage. Maybe he over trained ?

 

[Robert5091]

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He never looked right from the first stage. Maybe he over trained ?

To me it looked like instead of focusing on what he's good at (climbing), MS tried to get his TT-ing better and got things all wrong.

 

[yaco]

the bigger picture with Yates x 2 is them not doing too many GT's - My theory is you do two GT's in a year every 2nd year - Both did two GT's in 2018, so both should only do one GT in 2019 - Simon has a number of races he can target in the second half of the year while Adam should only FOCUS on the TDF in 2019 - I'm happy for Haig to ride for GC at the Vuelta.

 

[Red Rick]

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the bigger picture with Yates x 2 is them not doing too many GT's - My theory is you do two GT's in a year every 2nd year - Both did two GT's in 2018, so both should only do one GT in 2019 - Simon has a number of races he can target in the second half of the year while Adam should only FOCUS on the TDF in 2019 - I'm happy for Haig to ride for GC at the Vuelta.

That really depends on the individual and especially if you do Giro/Vuelta it's quite feasable cause you don't peak for many other races.

 

[Robert5091]

I would love to know what's going through Adam's head & MS mangement's thinking.

 

[yaco]

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I would love to know what's going through Adam's head & MS mangement's thinking.

Adam is under big pressure - We have to understand that Yates x 2 have a BIG influence on the team when it comes to race programs, training camps, overall preparation etc,etc,etc - They almost run the show.

 

[Robert5091]

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I would love to know what's going through Adam's head & MS mangement's thinking.

Adam is under big pressure - We have to understand that Yates x 2 have a BIG influence on the team when it comes to race programs, training camps, overall preparation etc,etc,etc - They almost run the show.

In which case, Simon really f**ked it up! I think Adam can came up with a stage win or two plus a shot at the KOM jersey but that's it.

 

[yaco]

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I would love to know what's going through Adam's head & MS mangement's thinking.

Adam is under big pressure - We have to understand that Yates x 2 have a BIG influence on the team when it comes to race programs, training camps, overall preparation etc,etc,etc - They almost run the show.

In which case, Simon really f**ked it up! I think Adam can came up with a stage win or two plus a shot at the KOM jersey but that's it.

Hvae no doubt that Adam would wish to win a GT stage for the first time - He rides to his form and he should finish top 5.

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

Having the back up of Simon might be of some use, who is apparently going to the Tour now...

 

[yaco]

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Having the back up of Simon might be of some use, who is apparently going to the Tour now...

This will be a disaster and a waste of resources - It also suggests that Haig is not ready for the TDF.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Not too confident about his chances at the Tour, but he could fight for the overall win at the Dauphine.

 

[SlickMongoose]

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Having the back up of Simon might be of some use, who is apparently going to the Tour now...

The Giro was just a prep race! I had faith all along.....

 

[yaco]

Prefer that A.Yates rode Suisse or Slovenie - His previous history suggests he needs his races close together and a three week break between Dauphine and TDF may be his undoing.

 

[Oliver]

Both Yates in le Tour!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

weird, I expected Simon to go Vuelta title defence.

Guess this will be off year for Simon then. a quiet build up to the giro, a below par giro, and now a helper in the tdf

 

[Laplaz]

Well, this comes unexpected

 

[yaco]

This is another Whitey left field selection - And Simon will be a domestic unless something happens to Adam in the first few days - Surely if you pick Simon then you keep Haig back to ride GC at the Vuelta or MS will have no GC ambitions at the Vuelta - The selection is even weirder when you consider that Durbridge was a last minute inclusion for the Giro and then backs up in the TDF -Anyway anything less than a Top 5 for Adam will be disappointing.

 

[Bolder]

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This is another Whitey left field selection - And Simon will be a domestic unless something happens to Adam in the first few days - Surely if you pick Simon then you keep Haig back to ride GC at the Vuelta or MS will have no GC ambitions at the Vuelta - The selection is even weirder when you consider that Durbridge was a last minute inclusion for the Giro and then backs up in the TDF -Anyway anything less than a Top 5 for Adam will be disappointing.

Absolutely. I guess the reasoning is that Simon peaked for Giro, expecting a win there or at least a podium, then go to Vuelta with no expectations. But that didn't happen, so why not stack the team for a tour w/out Froome/Dumoulin and hope for a podium?

I heard an interview at the Giro with Gerry Ryan on the Rapha podcast in which he said he'd like to have a title sponsor rather than continue to self-fund. A big performance at the TdF could land one, so perhaps that also figured into the thinking.

 

[Davesta]

Presumably Chaves will be their Vuelta GC contender, given he's refinding his feet this year?

 

[yaco]

Presumably Chaves will be their Vuelta GC contender, given he's refinding his feet this year?

There will be no GC focus at the Vuelta - It will be about stage hunting.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Actually Simon should have abandoned the Giro after it was clear he didnt have the goods to podium and then trained for the TDF. Now it is a waste as support instead of trying to win the Vuelta

 

[dusty red roads]

Weird to me - should've kept Simon for the Vuelta. I guess the sponsor's call comes first though.

 

[tobydawq]

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Actually Simon should have abandoned the Giro after it was clear he didnt have the goods to podium and then trained for the TDF. Now it is a waste as support instead of trying to win the Vuelta

No!

If riders start abandoning Grand Tours when they can ride top 5, I really don't know where we're headed.

It's not a computer game where you can just press restart.

 

[jaylew]

Presumably Chaves will be their Vuelta GC contender, given he's refinding his feet this year?

There will be no GC focus at the Vuelta - It will be about stage hunting.

I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[tobydawq]

Presumably Chaves will be their Vuelta GC contender, given he's refinding his feet this year?

There will be no GC focus at the Vuelta - It will be about stage hunting.

I'll believe that when I see it.

Yes, that doesn't make sense to me either.