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Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

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The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.
 
The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.
Maybe the swapping identity theories were right all along!
 
The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.
Have you checked UAEs results by any chance?
 
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The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.

he was 4th at the TDF in 2016 age 24. 2nd at the Dauphine in 2018 age 26.
 
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he was 4th at the TDF in 2016 age 24. 2nd at the Dauphine in 2018 age 26.
Yeah, getting fourth in that Tour does not move the needle.
Have you checked UAEs results by any chance?
Riders going to UAE and suddenly becoming world beaters is mostly a myth. What rider other than Yates, already had a decent palmares prior to joining UAE, and then far surpassed his results from before the team switch? The cliche that riders get way better there is honestly mostly based on Yates himself.
 
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The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.
I thought exactly this, their performances never made sense to me, in grand tours itself, excelling and then cracking massively, but also in career trajectory. For all we know Simon will be the best in the next two years again whilst Adam suddenly retires.
 
Yeah, getting fourth in that Tour does not move the needle.

Riders going to UAE and suddenly becoming world beaters is mostly a myth. What rider other than Yates, already had a decent palmares prior to joining UAE, and then far surpassed his results from before the team switch? The cliche that riders get way better there is honestly mostly based on Yates himself.
Every youngster that joins them starts flying instantly. Politt joins at instnatly gets top 5 at RVV and PR. Wellens joins and instantly starts making top 5s at cobbled classics and getting his best monument results since 2018/2019. Ineos Yates collapsing was by a rando UAE domestique on a cat2.

The idea they were a *** team that happened to have Pogacar is sooo 4 years ago.
 
Yeah, getting fourth in that Tour does not move the needle.

Riders going to UAE and suddenly becoming world beaters is mostly a myth. What rider other than Yates, already had a decent palmares prior to joining UAE, and then far surpassed his results from before the team switch? The cliche that riders get way better there is honestly mostly based on Yates himself.
Politt:
2e Omloop
7e E3
3e RVV
4e Paris Roubaix

Wellens:

2e Kuurne
4e E3
12e RVV
15e Paris Roubaix

Grosschartner:

2023 his 2e best season in carreer

Almeida:

Climb much better than in QS + Podium Giro
 
Politt:
2e Omloop
7e E3
3e RVV
4e Paris Roubaix

Wellens:

2e Kuurne
4e E3
12e RVV
15e Paris Roubaix

Grosschartner:

2023 his 2e best season in carreer

Almeida:

Climb much better than in QS + Podium Giro
Not counting the current year (since it's not over and points tallies skew towards the Spring classics), by official ranking points, not a single one of the riders you listed had their best year on UAE.

And in Almeida's case, that's actually rather surprising, given that he joined UAE at 23yo.
 
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Not counting the current year (since it's not over and points tallies skew towards the Spring classics), by official ranking points, not a single one of the riders you listed had their best year on UAE.

And in Almeida's case, that's actually rather surprising, given that he joined UAE at 23yo.
Yeah let's ignore performance in big races and main targets and instead prioritize dumb ranking systems with biases for farming 2.1 races that are extremely schedule and leadership dependent.
 
Yeah let's ignore performance in big races and main targets and instead prioritize dumb ranking systems with biases for farming 2.1 races that are extremely schedule and leadership dependent.
Wellens rode almost exclusively a WT schedule back in his heyday.

Pollitt's all time best result is 2nd at PR before he joined UAE.

I could go on but it's boring. You are really reaching. UAE has hired lots of really strong riders, but I don't see a step up in their performance after joining, unlike Sky/Vlab.
 
The Yates career trajectories don't make any sense to me. Both were seen as TdF top 10 guys who could win GT stages if they went into breakaways. Then from one year to another Simon reaches ultra mythical climber status, just to lose it again the next year. Simon is subsequently seen as the better one of the two. Until at age 30 Adam suddenly makes a jump and is now looking even better than his brother. I don't get it. It's not like Adam was riding for teams known for underperforming.
Is weird.

They're both so inconsistent in a lot of ways that they're very difficult to compare.

Simon was better as a u23s.

Adam was way better in 2014-16 but then had this weird lull for 2 seasons. In 2019 he started being really good again in 1 weeks but was only good in gts once he left greenedge. Now he seems to get better and better with age

Simon had a much slower start to his career but around the time his brother stagnated he started winning mountain stages a lot and won a GT along the way. And now for the last couple of years he's the stagnated one.

I think Simon did say he never got an offer from a big team like Adam did, probably implying he could get better in a better team but didn't got the opportunity.

Is also weird how in u23 Simon was considered the punchier type to get more wins and Adam the pure climber/GC rider, but is Simon that won a grand tour
 
Funny how some people are hyping the 2024 cobbled monuments. Has anyone seen the top 10 in these races? Against such opponents, it is not surprising that Politt gets a decent result. Folks act like he hasn't been on the podium or top 5 at Monument before UAE. Wellens is bringing his career standard.

Let's see the other side. Ganna, Mohoric or Philipsen all became much stronger riders after leaving the UAE.
 
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