Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[Tim Cahill]

Only Del Toro didn't get the memo since he was like 5 years old at the time.

Hopefully he is tiring himself out like an idiot and is in fact the Mexican Simon Yates in week 3

 

[yaco]

I am yet to be convinced he is as strong at in the 2023 TDF. I watch with interest.

 

[SafeBet]

He was on the limit on San Pellegrino in Alpe, so he needs to improve in the third week to have a chance.

 

[Tim Cahill]

He was on the limit on San Pellegrino in Alpe, so he needs to improve in the third week to have a chance.

That's always been the plan apparently, despite a massively interrupted buildup, though I expect him to look like the best in the race before dropping 25 minutes 2 days later as is tradition.

In that respect, the race couldn't've gone much better for him, he's 2nd having not expended much energy and all the stages that suit him to come.

Despite there not being much to work with, I think Carapaz is the best climber in the race currently with Del Toro a wildcard. They weren't catching him on that climb the other day on a month of Sundays.

 

[Cycling111]

I don't know who raises more doubts for me, Simon Yates or Carapaz.

There seems to be more confidence in Carapaz, but Carapaz has tended to fail in the mountains since Hindley´s Giro.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Regardless, Simon is now in great position, placed second overall and with a strong team behind him. Adam on the other hand likely lost leadership position today.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Simon finds himself sandwiched between two of his brother's teammates.

 

[theyoungest]

Regardless, Simon is now in great position, placed second overall and with a strong team behind him. Adam on the other hand likely lost leadership position today.

Neither of them has looked particularly strong on the climbs so far though. Adam even a little worse than Simon, but not by much. It would be quite surprising if Simon is still second overall after today.

edit: I mean after the next stage, today should be okay.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@theyoungest

You just never know with Simon. If winning a stage is a mission, then likely he will accomplish it. Winning this GT, who knows.

 

[Cycling111]

Tomorrow, he wins Giro or he loses his chances of reaching the podium by losing too much time.

 

[Blanco]

Tomorrow, he wins Giro or he loses his chances of reaching the podium by losing too much time.

Neither, but after today he know he can win the whole thing.

 

[Berniece]

I can still see Simon win this if Carapaz shows some cracks, although Richard is old and smart enough to know how to handle a GT

 

[Tim Cahill]

Looks like he's trained to hold a hard-sustained pace and the engine seems good but doesn't have much snap, which is why he's been seen at the back sometimes when the attacks fly. Carapaz the best in the race by a little but does have a crack in him at times, maybe he can use an attack of Derek Gee or even Del Toro if he's still feeling good to force him to pace. If anything if he can bring a similar level to The Tour he can be valuable, should still be around in group of 5 or 10 or up the road.

 

[Gigs_98]

I can still see Simon win this if Carapaz shows some cracks, although Richard is old and smart enough to know how to handle a GT

I mean he "only" needs to stick to Carapaz' wheel. Let's not overrate Carapaz here either. He finished 13 seconds in front of Gee and got dropped by Pelizzari after pulling him for a couple kilometers. I don't think him being able to drop everyone is a given and from now on Yates will probably ride as if he was leading the race, no longer exposing himself by taking long pulls, but instead trying to jump to the wheel as soon as Carapaz attacks.

 

[theyoungest]

I mean he "only" needs to stick to Carapaz' wheel. Let's not overrate Carapaz here either. He finished 13 seconds in front of Gee and got dropped by Pelizzari after pulling him for a couple kilometers. I don't think him being able to drop everyone is a given and from now on Yates will probably ride as if he was leading the race, no longer exposing himself by taking long pulls, but instead trying to jump to the wheel as soon as Carapaz attacks.

I'd like to see Carapaz ride Simon Yates off his wheel. I don't think he can. Once Yates got rid of Del Toro he kept more or less the same pace with Carapaz (a little faster even).

 

[Sciatic]

I'd like to see Carapaz ride Simon Yates off his wheel. I don't think he can. Once Yates got rid of Del Toro he kept more or less the same pace with Carapaz (a little faster even).

Both Yates and Carapaz are prone to having some off days, so it’s quite one could emerge on top without even having to drop the other.

 

[Pantani_lives]

After all these years of following the brothers I have finally found a way to distinguish Simon from Adam.

Spoiler: The difference

Simon is wearing yellow; Adam is wearing white.

 

[Berniece]

After all these years of following the brothers I have finally found a way to distinguish Simon from Adam.

Spoiler: The difference

Simon is wearing yellow; Adam is wearing white.

Soon it'll be even more clear, one will be wearing pink

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

anyone else think Simon is deliberately holding back as much as he can? saving energy and giving himself the best possible chance over the next 2 days? I think he is but all depends on whether Carapaz is slightly better.

 

[Berniece]

anyone else think Simon is deliberately holding back as much as he can? saving energy and giving himself the best possible chance over the next 2 days? I think he is but all depends on whether Carapaz is slightly better.

Wouldn’t you try to at least follow Carapaz if you were able to?

 

[Sciatic]

Wouldn’t you try to at least follow Carapaz if you were able to?

Agreed, I think Simon was missing something on Stage 17. Visma put 3 guys in the break that day. Why would you do that if not planned to serve as a launching pad for him to attack? Instead he showed no snap when others went up the road. Could have been difficulty recovering from Stage 16 effort. Or maybe that just his level?

 

[Blanco]

Simon lacks explosivity a bit, but fortunatelly for him it won't matter in last two stages. What will matter is who the best climber is, and I think Yates is the man.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm a Wout fan, a Sepp fan, a Vingo fan, Roglic fan. In short I guess I'm a Visma fan. So I'm trying to be a Simon Yates fan, but he just doesn't actually ever do anything but follow along. Maybe the weekend will be different?

 

[AmRacer]

I'm a Wout fan, a Sepp fan, a Vingo fan, Roglic fan. In short I guess I'm a Visma fan. So I'm trying to be a Simon Yates fan, but he just doesn't actually ever do anything but follow along. Maybe the weekend will be different?

He has learned something.

 

[Pozzovivo]

S.Yates has never ridden in a more defensive and uninspired way. He is extremely lucky not to be minutes behind Del Toro and Carapaz. Bahrain and Gee, and sometimes UAE comes to the rescue every time. Crazy if he wins tomorrow.