Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[Maxiton]

Tyler's like Floyd, so I don't know if you can believe him here. Besides, didn't Cadel admit to some sort of doping, or was linked to some a few years back(or i could just flat out be wrong-and probably am here)? He might be "clean" now...not sure.

You might be referring to the time he was holding a press conference at the Tour, while wearing the Maillot Jaune. A reporter asked him to comment on someone else's doping, and he responded, "I don't think I'm really in a position to talk about that."

Some people saw this as a tacit admission on his part, or maybe an inadvertent slip. It may have been the latter, I don't know, but clearly he only meant to say that he was not an expert in the field and/or had no knowledge of the case in question. His answer, in any event, was awkward, but it would be a stretch to call it an admission.

 

[blackcat]

Gerrans is a guy who, a few years ago, was a really interesting prospect, with great tactical sense to choose the right breaks and get good wins.

Then, he became a contender for the hilly classics, inasmuch as Haimar Zubeldia was a challenger for Grand Tours. He gave up all that tactical nous for the opportunity to come 7th in the uphill sprint from the bunch. And yet he was consistently being talked up as a major contender, when he was to puncheur finishes what José Joaquín Rojas is to sprints. The idea that the whole Australian team backed him over Evans in Mendrisio is proof either that Evans is unbelievably unpopular or Australian cyclists don't have a clue and let their hearts rule their heads, because in 2009 Evans was so much better as an option for the win on that course than Gerrans.

I'm glad that Gerrans has seemed to have come out of his shell a bit again, and has been prepared to take those risks that won him races back in his Crédit Agricole and Cervélo days, because allying the stronger Gerrans of the last 2-3 years with the more tactically astute gambler of the 2-3 years before that has created someone who is actually a genuine challenger to win any (non-cobbled) Classic, not somebody who gets talked up because they won Plouay and happen to come from Australia.

remarkable acuity. Like the Rojas reference. Tho Rojas Gil did threaten to win a green top one stage in july. Give Gerro time in the Ardennes. I think he has equivalent native talent to Frank, and Kolobnev would be an accurate comparison imo.

Need to balance January and February early season objectives, for the antipode. Now he has a national title and the via roma win. He might put his peak back 6 weeks. patience for the next two years may be warranted.

 

[Tinman]

You might be referring to the time he was holding a press conference at the Tour, while wearing the Maillot Jaune. A reporter asked him to comment on someone else's doping, and he responded, "I don't think I'm really in a position to talk about that."

Some people saw this as a tacit admission on his part, or maybe an inadvertent slip. It may have been the latter, I don't know, but clearly he only meant to say that he was not an expert in the field and/or had no knowledge of the case in question. His answer, in any event, was awkward, but it would be a stretch to call it an admission.

Or, quite simply, that when riding clean and arriving knackered to retain the yellow, "now is not a good time to ask me about doping as I might spill the beans on it, which, wearing the yellow, is not the right time for the sport and me to do so"...

That's how I read it at the time. But fully admit I was biased at the time...

 

[Maxiton]

Or, quite simply, that when riding clean and arriving knackered to retain the yellow, "now is not a good time to ask me about doping as I might spill the beans on it, which, wearing the yellow, is not the right time for the sport and me to do so"...

That's how I read it at the time. But fully admit I was biased at the time...

Maybe. Fair point.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Maybe. Fair point.

That was the presser(what)I was referring to, thanks. I sure hope Cadel IS clean.

 

[webvan]

Seems credible to me :

Evans too has had to face rumours of doping. “As a clean athlete and to be accused of being a drug cheat, personally it’s very offensive and very hard to take. Maybe those people have a thing or two to learn about commitment, hard work, dedication and how far people can go with natural ability.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-on-doping-accusations-and-lance-armstrongs-tours

 

[hrotha]

Maybe I'm too much of a cynic, but I'm a bit wary about how long it's taken him to say something like that. His previous statements were a lot more neutral. I can't help but think he's been waiting to see where the wind is currently blowing.

Still, there are some who are sticking to the party line without any regard to the wind, so that's something.

 

[D-Queued]

Are there any kind of PEDs that can contribute to difficulties in fighting off infections, or that can produce similar or look-a-like symptoms?

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Seems credible to me :


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-on-doping-accusations-and-lance-armstrongs-tours

What's credible about Evans when he states that the mentality in cycling has changed so drastically? Since when? Based on what?
The available parameters (Riis, Bruyneel, Contador, Schlecks, Spanish Armada, Astana, Sky, etc. etc.) suggest it's hogwash. Such a statement casts a dark shadow on his claim that he himself is clean.

 

[Grandillusion]

What's credible about Evans when he states that the mentality in cycling has changed so drastically? Since when? Based on what?
The available parameters (Riis, Bruyneel, Contador, Schlecks, Spanish Armada, Astana, Sky, etc. etc.) suggest it's hogwash. Such a statement casts a dark shadow on his claim that he himself is clean.

Yep, it just sounds like a polite version of Wiggins' whine.

Why have neither of them made any statement denouncing Gianni Bugno, their own professional association boss? Is he so powerful they're too scared to?

Bugno has described Armstrong (since the reasoned decision) as a great rider, who's legacy should be respected, or some similar drivel.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

nobody cares about bungo's statements save you and also I doubt evans even knows those statements and even then. who the **** is bugno? the guy that steers the helicopter during the giro?

 

[Grandillusion]

nobody cares about bungo's statements save you and also I doubt evans even knows those statements and even then. who the **** is bugno? the guy that steers the helicopter during the giro?

No, he's the head of the CPA, and if Evan's doesn't know who he is he's even more vacuous than that statement made him sound.

Bugno is supposed to be the spokesman for the interests of all professional cyclists as far as I'm able to divine.

Don't try & bully me with your bull**** mate.

 

[fatandfast]

nobody cares about bungo's statements save you and also I doubt evans even knows those statements and even then. who the **** is bugno? the guy that steers the helicopter during the giro?

Everybody should care and listen to guys like Bugno. He brings lots to the table. The guy was a great champion and exited the sport diring an enormous drug use transition. I realize that winning junior nats,national championship, world champion a couple of times, winning stages at all the tours,winning classics and taking the time to still be relevant in pro cycling 40 years after he started is no big deal.

I see what you mean about what a trivial punk he is..I gotta go fly my helicopter to 7-11 to get a big gurl. You Hazukis have super high standards for studliness.

 

[Grandillusion]

Where's the brick wall? My head doesn't hurt enough.

 

[bastigon]

What's credible about Evans when he states that the mentality in cycling has changed so drastically? Since when? Based on what?
The available parameters (Riis, Bruyneel, Contador, Schlecks, Spanish Armada, Astana, Sky, etc. etc.) suggest it's hogwash. Such a statement casts a dark shadow on his claim that he himself is clean.

Right on. How the f*** would he know being clean all the time.. so stupid. It's funny how all the squeaky clean riders can know that everything has changed. Is this believable? No.

 

[noddy69]

Are there any kind of PEDs that can contribute to difficulties in fighting off infections, or that can produce similar or look-a-like symptoms?

Dave.

Anabolic steroids significantly increase susceptibility to the risk of viral infections by weakening a vital part of the immune system

Peaked my interest with a few high profile guys going out with a bad virus over the last two years....something bad been put into the systems of clean professing cyclists I am beginning to think.

 

[fatandfast]

Blood doping of all kinds effects your post use health. The introduction of "new" blood has been explained to me that when it's bagged you can't turn off the antibodies that are within the bag so they keep fighting until there is nobody left to fight. The blood being reintroduced into the racer has slightly less infection fighting properties than the already present blood in the body. And possibly a bacteria that was being dealt w right before the bloods removal. Depending on the bloods (mis)handling you could be giving yourself a great oxygen boost but also a fever at the same time.

 

[noddy69]

Long term use of EPO to create more red blood cells to carry oxygen is great if you keep taking it. However once you stop the regulation of creation of red blood cells may suddenly decrease........can we think of a few people who fit that bill.

 

[D-Queued]

gosh, if PEDs can harm your health or otherwise negatively impact the body's natural immune system response then more riders should be like Cadel...







... and ride clean, of course.

Dave.

 

[noddy69]

gosh, if PEDs can harm your health or otherwise negatively impact the body's natural immune system response then more riders should be like Cadel...







... and ride clean, of course.

Dave.

Or take a year off them and realise your body now needs the drug ......but that would be only made up and in my imagination of course, wonder how Thor is, didnt he get the bug too.

 

[movingtarget]

What's credible about Evans when he states that the mentality in cycling has changed so drastically? Since when? Based on what?
The available parameters (Riis, Bruyneel, Contador, Schlecks, Spanish Armada, Astana, Sky, etc. etc.) suggest it's hogwash. Such a statement casts a dark shadow on his claim that he himself is clean.

Maybe what Evans was trying to say not so clearly was that he has more belief in the younger riders that are new or relatively new to the peloton. I doubt he is including any of the above riders re improvement in the ranks. I still don't understand why admitted dopers are allowed to manage teams. If teams are now sacking DS' for something they did years ago or admitted to doing how the hell can people like Riis and Aldag be allowed to stay in the sport in any capacity.

 

[blackcat]

Yep, it just sounds like a polite version of Wiggins' whine.

Why have neither of them made any statement denouncing Gianni Bugno, their own professional association boss? Is he so powerful they're too scared to?

Bugno has described Armstrong (since the reasoned decision) as a great rider, who's legacy should be respected, or some similar drivel.

if I am clean. I do my best diplomatic impression, on my belief that my results are being stolen, but stay shtum on the talking points re: "it is cleaning up", "it is getting better", "the young generation are different", "in Australia and the AIS we learn a code of ethics". No need to parade the BS around. No one wishes to hear this and be spun to.

Right on. How the f*** would he know being clean all the time.. so stupid. It's funny how all the squeaky clean riders can know that everything has changed. Is this believable? No.

so, if he is not believable wrt his Slipstream talking points that have been proofed and drafted at a Burson Marsteller clone, then what else does he lie about? thin edge of the wedge. can AusCyclingFan96 answer this? riddle me thatone, please.

Anabolic steroids significantly increase susceptibility to the risk of viral infections by weakening a vital part of the immune system

Peaked my interest with a few high profile guys going out with a bad virus over the last two years....something bad been put into the systems of clean professing cyclists I am beginning to think.

gosh, if PEDs can harm your health or otherwise negatively impact the body's natural immune system response then more riders should be like Cadel....

anyone know about Hunter's Syndrome? http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport...th-scare-a-myth/2006/06/26/1151174127077.html

 

[Grandillusion]

if I am clean. I do my best diplomatic impression, on my belief that my results are being stolen, but stay shtum on the talking points re: "it is cleaning up", "it is getting better", "the young generation are different", "in Australia and the AIS we learn a code of ethics". No need to parade the BS around. No one wishes to hear this and be spun to.


"There has been such a change in mentality in cycling now, and I think we have left that behind us, and that's why I say to cycling fans, let's not lose faith"

Which part of that is not parading the BS around? You're right, no one wishes to hear this and be spun to.

Diplomatic? To save whose tender feelings from being hurt? His cheating opponents? Wow! Mr Magnanimity!

"Maybe those people have a thing or two to learn about commitment, hard work, dedication & how far people can go with natural ability"

Wiggins' rant was pre Tygart's RD. And it was insulting to people's intelligence then. How do you think this is going to go down after all that's happened?

"I say to cycling fans, lets not lose faith". Makes me think of Dylan's line from Positively Fourth Street... you got no faith to lose, and you know it.

That last is not directed at you personally by the way..

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No, he's the head of the CPA, and if Evan's doesn't know who he is he's even more vacuous than that statement made him sound.

Bugno is supposed to be the spokesman for the interests of all professional cyclists as far as I'm able to divine.

Don't try & bully me with your bull**** mate.

the cpa is a joke and always has been. no cyclist even cares about it

 

[Grandillusion]

the cpa is a joke and always has been. no cyclist even cares about it

Hell, that was a quick response... I'll have to give your reply some serious thought.