Cadel's destintation...

[Galic Ho]

I think this is more indicative of how 60 minutes portrayed the riders. I doubt Rogers and Evans had much input into what was shown. The producers would have said, Cadel your the top dog, show us you cars, and to rogers, well we need a different angle, do a family piece on him.

They wanted to show two different sides of the story. That riders can be family men, and they can earn lot's of money if they are searching for a Tour crown. Any television producer would not have shown two stories about the exact same thing (i.e. show Rogers with money, and Evans with money OR Rogers with family and Evans with family), so for me, I didn't read anything into this.

Cadel has shown a lot through SBS pieces that he is very down to earth, supports Tibet, Indigenous Australia and various other causes, and more than ever he is portrayed as a loveable son (by his mum) and a caring husband (by his wife) and we all know he loves his dog too.

I think it's interesting about how you portray that piece, but I have to disagree on that one. personally, I think he is loaded up with $$$ at the moment, and the many many interviews he's done this week suggests he wants to be a winner, not a rich second place getter. He said on ONE HD on thursday that he hasn't acheived his goals as a road racer yet. It's fair to say he has achieved his monetary goals at this stage in his career, so I really do think its about team support than money

I concur, it is easy to jump to one viewpoint. Mine sways often on trivial affairs with new information. But I did highlight that Evans is intelligent. Sixty minutes are masters of portraying a person/subject in a light that is more or less predetermined. Cadel should have known this, but we all know he isn't the most media savy sportsman out there and struggles at the best of times at expressing himself. I only wanted to highlight the contrasts, truth and accuracy is not an issue to news agencies.

I'll agree with Cadel already being cashed up. I think he may buy out his own contract to go to the right team. But if it is BMC (a very likely option) I think he'd only sign if they were racing the Tour, given his statements in the last week. It would not make sense to not have that guarantee. Surprisingly Cadel and OPL have performed very well the last 2 months. I can'y help but feel all parties are happy with this outcome.

Issoisso's bit about the 1.1 million contract is spot on. In Euros that equates to about Aus $2 million given the exchange rate has hovered around 60 cents in the dollar for the last few years. The $2 million figure has been thrown around for a while. Any person signing a new contract will look to get the best going rate for their expertise and skills. Cadel and his manager will aim to do this.

Perhaps instead of saying what we think he is worth on the open markets salary wise we could say how much we'd actually pay him to ride if we were a DS.

BMC is a good fit. Katusha? They have cash and Lampre has space and some good support riders joining the team. All 3 lack a good consistent GC rider. Cervelo are a minor option, but I think they are full. Their Tour option looks like Hushovd for green. Sky? Not a chance in hell, the same with HTC. Sky want a British GC rider, ala Wiggins and have said as much all year. Garmin, doubt it. Should find out in a few weeks. This however doesn't change anything about Cadel's chances to win le Tour. Won't make a difference at all.

Will we get to hear some aussie's bagging OPL next year? I'll be shocked if we don't.

 

[craig1985]

(Assuming Contador is with Astana)

AG2r
Astana
BB Bouygues Telecom (wildcard)
BMC (wildcard)
Caisse d'Epargne
Cervelo (wildcard)
Cofidis (wildcard)
Columbia-HTC
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ
Garmin-Slipstream
Katusha
Lampre
Liquigas
Milram
Omega-Pharma-Lotto
Quick Step
Radio Shack
Rabobank
SKY
Vacansoleil (wildcard)

IMO.

 

[Anonymous]

Mountain Goat you are cracking me up, I thought you believed levi and Cadel was off to the shack?? LMAO

I thought my sarcasm was displayed quite well in that post

The thread got out of control with rumours etc so I thought i'd spice it up a bit hahah

I don't really know Levi

 

[blackcat]

I concur, it is easy to jump to one viewpoint. Mine sways often on trivial affairs with new information. But I did highlight that Evans is intelligent. Sixty minutes are masters of portraying a person/subject in a light that is more or less predetermined. Cadel should have known this, but we all know he isn't the most media savy sportsman out there and struggles at the best of times at expressing himself. I only wanted to highlight the contrasts, truth and accuracy is not an issue to news agencies.

I'll agree with Cadel already being cashed up. I think he may buy out his own contract to go to the right team. But if it is BMC (a very likely option) I think he'd only sign if they were racing the Tour, given his statements in the last week. It would not make sense to not have that guarantee. Surprisingly Cadel and OPL have performed very well the last 2 months. I can'y help but feel all parties are happy with this outcome.

Issoisso's bit about the 1.1 million contract is spot on. In Euros that equates to about Aus $2 million given the exchange rate has hovered around 60 cents in the dollar for the last few years. The $2 million figure has been thrown around for a while. Any person signing a new contract will look to get the best going rate for their expertise and skills. Cadel and his manager will aim to do this.

Perhaps instead of saying what we think he is worth on the open markets salary wise we could say how much we'd actually pay him to ride if we were a DS.

BMC is a good fit. Katusha? They have cash and Lampre has space and some good support riders joining the team. All 3 lack a good consistent GC rider. Cervelo are a minor option, but I think they are full. Their Tour option looks like Hushovd for green. Sky? Not a chance in hell, the same with HTC. Sky want a British GC rider, ala Wiggins and have said as much all year. Garmin, doubt it. Should find out in a few weeks. This however doesn't change anything about Cadel's chances to win le Tour. Won't make a difference at all.

Will we get to hear some aussie's bagging OPL next year? I'll be shocked if we don't.

Cadel and Lovqvist are with Rominger at IMG. He puts in a clause in their contracts that offers an auotmatic release for more cash. Lovqvist got out of FDJ to go to Columbia this way.

Rominger is also a partner of Ferrari, and Ferrari had a stake in his management company before he sold into IMG. Rominger first worked with Biver who was his manager when he rode. Then both were the cycling division of IMG. Rominger was the one who rang Saiz on behalf of Vino and asked him to rectify his mediocre "medical program" which got the whole Puerto operation in the $hit. Vino, a Rominger a rider ofcourse, but prior to Astana coming in. Dont know if he is still with Rominger.

 

[Anonymous]

(Assuming Contador is with Astana)

AG2r
Astana
BB Bouygues Telecom (wildcard)
BMC (wildcard) < or fuji etc etc
Caisse d'Epargne
Cervelo (wildcard)
Cofidis (wildcard)
Columbia-HTC
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ
Garmin-Slipstream
Katusha
Lampre
Liquigas
Milram
Omega-Pharma-Lotto
Quick Step
Radio Shack
Rabobank
SKY
Vacansoleil (wildcard)

IMO.

i would tend to agree... vaconsoleil whenever given a wild card have been on the front, showing themselves, really making a go of every opportunity.. cofidis, cervelo, and BB are gimme's.. they will automatically be in..

it would be down to BMC to perform better than all the other wild card contenders.. and that could be where there problem is.. do they have the squad and the mentality to get results in the spring...they probably wont get a giro invite, and will be doing the TOC anyway.. so can they do enough in the spring to get the ASO to invite them.. im not so sure.. if they can get paris-nice then that could be their race to really try and make a claim for it..

 

[blackcat]

(Assuming Contador is with Astana)

AG2r
Astana
BB Bouygues Telecom (wildcard)
BMC (wildcard)
Caisse d'Epargne
Cervelo (wildcard)
Cofidis (wildcard)
Columbia-HTC
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ
Garmin-Slipstream
Katusha
Lampre
Liquigas
Milram
Omega-Pharma-Lotto
Quick Step
Radio Shack
Rabobank
SKY
Vacansoleil (wildcard)

IMO.

Vacansoleil wont get a wildcard with Johnny Testosteronny, and l'Hotellerie

 

[msjett]

I thought my sarcasm was displayed quite well in that post

The thread got out of control with rumours etc so I thought i'd spice it up a bit hahah

I don't really know Levi

I know but it was so entertaining, especially the guy who has been riding the TDF since he was 13. That was just gold!

 

[issoisso]

Vacansoleil wont get a wildcard with Johnny Testosteronny, and l'Hotellerie

They will. Especially with the Feillu brothers on the team, which they freely admitted to have signed to have a well known french presence.

That list above seems to me like the very likely final list of participants.

 

[craig1985]

Vacansoleil wont get a wildcard with Johnny Testosteronny, and l'Hotellerie

He doesn't ride for them?

 

[craig1985]

i would tend to agree... vaconsoleil whenever given a wild card have been on the front, showing themselves, really making a go of every opportunity.. cofidis, cervelo, and BB are gimme's.. they will automatically be in..

it would be down to BMC to perform better than all the other wild card contenders.. and that could be where there problem is.. do they have the squad and the mentality to get results in the spring...they probably wont get a giro invite, and will be doing the TOC anyway.. so can they do enough in the spring to get the ASO to invite them.. im not so sure.. if they can get paris-nice then that could be their race to really try and make a claim for it..

Ballan thinks that he will be riding the Giro.

 

[blackcat]

They will. Especially with the Feillu brothers on the team, which they freely admitted to have signed to have a well known french presence.

That list above seems to me like the very likely final list of participants.

yep, I saw those signings. They will get an invite. As long as Hoogerland does not go positive.

Bozic won a stage at the Vuelta ofcourse, but Roman Feillu will be given freedom. He is better than his brother.

 

[badboyberty]

Taken Cadel is leaving Lotto it might not be just about the money. Maybe he's afraid OPL have made a couple of more bad signings. If posts in the Clinic are correct the hiring José Ibarguren and Daniel Moreno by OPL may make BMC a safer bet for a Tour start than OPL. The last thing he could want is to be on a team that ends up in the centre of OperationPuerto2.

At least that what the Cadel Fanboy in me wants to believe.

As far as what my testes believe, my left teste thinks he's going to Lampre and my right teste could give a damn. My chin is keeping it's opinions to itself.

 

[issoisso]

yep, I saw those signings. They will get an invite. As long as Hoogerland does not go positive.

Yup. Which, given Hoogerland's past, is anything but guaranteed.

He is better than his brother.

It's kinda hard to compare a breakaway specialist with a good sprint against a pure climber

But yeah, he'll have his freedom.

Taken Cadel is leaving Lotto it might not be just about the money. Maybe he's afraid OPL have made a couple of more bad signings. If posts in the Clinic are correct the hiring José Ibarguren and Daniel Moreno by OPL may make BMC a safer bet for a Tour start than OPL. The last thing he could want is to be on a team that ends up in the centre of OperationPuerto2.

At least that what the Cadel Fanboy in me wants to believe.

As far as what my testes believe, my left teste thinks he's going to Lampre and my right teste could give a damn. My chin is keeping it's opinions to itself.

If that were the case, he wouldn't be going to a team that is for all intents and purpouses Phonak v2.0

 

[**Uru**]

If I were at that point in his career, the move would be ALL about money. What kind of work does he have to look forward to once he retires?

 

[blackcat]

Yup. Which, given Hoogerland's past, is anything but guaranteed.



It's kinda hard to compare a breakaway specialist with a good sprint against a pure climber

But yeah, he'll have his freedom.



If that were the case, he wouldn't be going to a team that is for all intents and purpouses Phonak v2.0

well, I saw Feillu elder over the last couple of years racing those hilly 2.2 races in Spain, and he is a so-so mediocre talent. Roman is a rider like Mcewen who can find his own way in the sprint and has a nose for the line.

Mcewen never really showed his explosivity and top-end til he was at Lotto in 2002. Rabobank he was one of 20 sprinters making up the field.

 

[Galic Ho]

i like aussie but i think shes said a couple of daft things in this thread.. the bmc link was posted very early in the convo and she chose to ignore it... rose tinted specs out again..

i feel a lot happier waking up today to the bmc news over the sky rumours..

Aussiecyclefan94 is female?

I've been living under the assumption the poster was male. Oops!

Well I hope for aussie's sake Cadel ain't going to the Shack. That would dispell all the doubt and destroy the belief anybody has in Cadel being a clean rider. Few would have the gumption to credibly state anyone joining the Shack is clean or has any aspirations of staying that way.

Cadel and Lovqvist are with Rominger at IMG. He puts in a clause in their contracts that offers an auotmatic release for more cash. Lovqvist got out of FDJ to go to Columbia this way.

Rominger is also a partner of Ferrari, and Ferrari had a stake in his management company before he sold into IMG. Rominger first worked with Biver who was his manager when he rode. Then both were the cycling division of IMG. Rominger was the one who rang Saiz on behalf of Vino and asked him to rectify his mediocre "medical program" which got the whole Puerto operation in the $hit. Vino, a Rominger a rider ofcourse, but prior to Astana coming in. Dont know if he is still with Rominger.

Thanks Blackcat, love hearing the inside stories. Was unaware who Cadel's manager was till today. We are talking Tony Rominger here, the multiple Vuelta winner? If so, just another reason for me to hold onto my opinion of Cuddles. As for the contracts, that is a good clause. Why a team would allow that is beyond me, as they loose money. Astana were smart enough to not have a loophole in AC's contract, but Silence have one for Cadel. Daft if thats the case. I actually feel sorry for OPL given Gilbert's comments. Seems my thoughts they knew he was leaving were unfounded:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-to-bmc-contador-to-lotto-for-2010

Hope they get someone who gels with the team, as they have some real quality in their ranks.

 

[Anonymous]

Aussiecyclefan94 is female?
I've been living under the assumption the poster was male. Oops!.

well ive always assumed so.. either that, or a severe case of man love for evans..

 

[pmcg76]

When it was announced yesterday that Evans was leaving Lotto, I automatically picked SKY as the likely destination but now have to say BMC is a definite contender. The comparison with Cervelo is relevant and indeed BMC have more big name riders than Cervelo had at the same stage last year. BMC are weak on the domestique front but if its about the money, then BMC are a real possibility especially if Evans can take a few domestiques with him.

I also think the 21 teams lsited are likely to be picked for the Tour, Fotoon-Servetto are not even worthy of a ProTour place, there line-up is akin to a ProContinental team.

 

[Anonymous]

I also think the 21 teams lsited are likely to be picked for the Tour, Fotoon-Servetto are not even worthy of a ProTour place, there line-up is akin to a ProContinental team.

would you like me to state the obvious...?

 

[issoisso]

would you like me to state the obvious...?

I would....since I can't see what it might be

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I would....since I can't see what it might be

http://www.velonews.com/article/99688/evans-leaves-silence-lotto---where-will-he-go-for-2010

 

[issoisso]

http://www.velonews.com/article/99688/evans-leaves-silence-lotto---where-will-he-go-for-2010

Yes, Evans left Lotto. What has that to do with Footon's lineup being ProConti quality?

 

[fatandfast]

Man Cadel if you were not happy with 2nd wait til you see what podium BMC will have you standing on. Signing with BMC is a cyclists noose.

 

[cromagnon]

arguably Hincapie is a bigger name and more respected in the peloton.

Aye funny how the only Columbian that can't climb makes it big in Europe

 

[ingsve]

(Assuming Contador is with Astana)

AG2r
Astana
BB Bouygues Telecom (wildcard)
BMC (wildcard)
Caisse d'Epargne
Cervelo (wildcard)
Cofidis (wildcard)
Columbia-HTC
Euskaltel-Euskadi
FDJ
Garmin-Slipstream
Katusha
Lampre
Liquigas
Milram
Omega-Pharma-Lotto
Quick Step
Radio Shack
Rabobank
SKY
Vacansoleil (wildcard)

IMO.

That list is missing Saxo Bank. So that would mean ether BMC or Vacansoleil needs to hope for a 22nd spot.

Or does anyone think that BMC with Cadel Evans could even beat out BBox, Cofidis or Cervélo for a wildcard.

Without Cadel Evans BMC would be the last ranked of the listed teams to get a wildcard but with Cadel it's a diffrent situation but it would still be a tight race to get an invite.