Can asians ride as fast as westerners?

[ultimobici]

I can read.

All i read is this:


And this is the most hilariously hypocritical one-liner i have read on this forum (and considering how often this forum gets invaded by amazing instances of idiocy and dumbassery in humankind -- it is saying something).

Even if you mean well, this words are still amazingly wrong.

I just wouldn't forgive myself for the rest of my life if didn't troll on you.

And it's only after you got caught on your honest and sincere mistake you started saying the right words, but anyway -- it was just too fun to miss.

You're pulling me up for not qualifying the comment? FFS!!

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

You got trolled because you might want to get your views right first before making absolutists statements out of random on internet forum and because when caught on it started madly wiggling around.

Genocide is an important matter. Pay attention next time, pal.

Cheers.
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[BroDeal]

British by nationality & residency, Armenian by ancestry. Get it?

I have no problem with the geography, just the 1.5 million men women & children exterminated by the Turkish. That their current government denies it to this day in the face of the evidence is reprehensible in the extreme. To cap it all the US air base at Incirlik is built on land stolen from Armenians murdered by the Turkish!

However, I should point out that my comments are aimed squarely at the Turkish Government and its officials not individual Turkish people. Most if not all I have met are either ignorant of the facts or in agreement.

Judging by your annoying moaning about ancient history in a thread where it has no place, the turks may have had a good reason.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Judging by your annoying moaning about ancient history in a thread where it has no place, the turks may have had a good reason.

In his defense this thread wasn't really all that super in the first place.

But -- hey -- i lolled!
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[ultimobici]

In his defense this thread wasn't really all that super in the first place.

But -- hey -- i lolled!

Your pulling me up on my attitude was done in a reasonable manner. Sorry for derailing such a great thread!

 

[AngusW]

And Kazakhstan.

It shows that that even geography can be fall victim when money start talking.

UEFA now considers Australia to be an Asian country. Does that answer the OP's question?

 

[hfer07]

Let tell you a story:
25 years ago a small group of riders from Colombia, South america-was underestimated by the Europeans, which according to their "standards", those "foreigners" appeared weak, almost amateur alike, and most of all, not physically & mentally prepared to race at the "European Level"....until Luis Herrera won in 1984 the queen stage of Alpe d'huez, ahead of the likes of Bernard Hinault, Laurent Fignon, Greg Lemond etc. after that day, many victories followed & those "weak" riders were finally acknowledged among the best in the world....

10 years after the successful emerging of that generation, they sadly found themselves dealing with the most devastating obstacle in the name of EPO, Doping programs & doctors, whose methods & effects opened a gap unreachable/almost impossible to close by their conventional training & riding style. they almost disappeared for an entire decade, until recent years where cycling begun to take some measures on doping...

in conclusion, they'll do fine, IF
*Pro Cycling gets cleaner every year
*they learn how to cope with the remaining doping aspect of the sport.

that "European superiority" bvllsh!t in cycling only works when the dope makes the difference-otherwise anybody with the physical abilities required to race at Pro Level should do well, regardless any geographic origin/birthplace...

 

[BroDeal]

UEFA now considers Australia to be an Asian country. Does that answer the OP's question?

It looks like I need to find an Australian consumer electronics company to invest in.

 

[The Hitch]

UEFA now considers Australia to be an Asian country. Does that answer the OP's question?

That the Union of European Football Associations considers Australia to be an asian country isnt as important as the fact that Fédération Internationale de Football Association (Fifa) considers Australia to be an Asian country

Those things are messed up though. Fifa might think it is important enough to persuade the world that Australia is on a different continent to New Zealand but same one as Japan, but ive seen maps that suggest otherwise.

Honest I have

 

[khardung la]

Let tell you a story:
25 years ago a small group of riders from Colombia, South america-was underestimated by the Europeans, which according to their "standards", those "foreigners" appeared weak, almost amateur alike, and most of all, not physically & mentally prepared to race at the "European Level"....until Luis Herrera won in 1984 the queen stage of Alpe d'huez, ahead of the likes of Bernard Hinault, Laurent Fignon, Greg Lemond etc. after that day, many victories followed & those "weak" riders were finally acknowledged among the best in the world....

10 years after the successful emerging of that generation, they sadly found themselves dealing with the most devastating obstacle in the name of EPO, Doping programs & doctors, whose methods & effects opened a gap unreachable/almost impossible to close by their conventional training & riding style. they almost disappeared for an entire decade, until recent years where cycling begun to take some measures on doping...

in conclusion, they'll do fine, IF
*Pro Cycling gets cleaner every year
*they learn how to cope with the remaining doping aspect of the sport.

that "European superiority" bvllsh!t in cycling only works when the dope makes the difference-otherwise anybody with the physical abilities required to race at Pro Level should do well, regardless any geographic origin/birthplace...

Almost agree with your story. My only but is that they were not soooo many really good ones as you suggest before EPO (basically Lucho Herrera and Fabio Parra), and not so few when EPO was available (think in Oliverio Rincon, Botero, Mauricio Soler, Felix Cardenas, Alvaro Mejia, Victor Hugo Pena, Hernan Buenahora...). They were (compared to their european counterparts) not so good before EPO and not so bad after. They have been consistently very good before, during, and now after.

 

[Polyarmour]

Language definition required here.

When Australians refer to Asians they mean Eastern Asians. Thais, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesians, Koreans etc etc.

Agree with it or not, that's what they mean. 100%

They certainly don't mean Turks or Kazahks or Indians who are never referred to as Asian (even though they are from the continent of Asia). It's Asian as a racial grouping rather than Asian as a geographical grouping. We all have our language quirks and I'm just pointing this out as this thread has been derailed by this misunderstanding.

 

[pedaling squares]

UEFA now considers Australia to be an Asian country. Does that answer the OP's question?

Oh, in that case the answer is no.
Jes tryin' to spice this lame thread up a bit......

 

[unsheath]

As per Polyarmour's post, Asian in Australia usually means the Chinese, Japanese etc.

Asian in the UK refers to the sub-continental races - Sri Lanka, ****stan, India. They refer the Chinese as Orientals. Probably a better distinction if you ask me.

With the semantics out of the way, please continue...

 

[unsheath]

I can't beleive the language filter blocked Pak1stan.... Ridiculous!

 

[Anonymous]

UEFA now considers Australia to be an Asian country. Does that answer the OP's question?

Cuddles is Asian? I thought I saw Armstrong give him "The Look" in the TdF this year...

 

[Anonymous]

As per Polyarmour's post, Asian in Australia usually means the Chinese, Japanese etc.

Asian in the UK refers to the sub-continental races - Sri Lanka, ****stan, India. They refer the Chinese as Orientals. Probably a better distinction if you ask me.

With the semantics out of the way, please continue...

That's cool because "Mexican" in the US usually means Spanish, Peruvian, Costa Rican, Nicraguan, etc. I see your rednecks are no more intelligent than are ours. Man, your rednecks are going to sh!t a brick when they find out they're Asian. Of course, our rednecks are going to face the same problem when we are reclassified as a Hispanic country because that demographic will soon be the largest percentage of our population.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

They certainly don't mean Turks or Kazahks or Indians who are never referred to as Asian (even though they are from the continent of Asia). It's Asian as a racial grouping rather than Asian as a geographical grouping.

You still don't get it, do you?

Kazakhs and uzbeks are asians both geographically and genetically.
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[BroDeal]

You still don't get it, do you?

Kazakhs and uzbeks are asians both geographically and genetically.

Vino is about as asian as I am. Actually, going by hair color, I am more asian. Woo hoo, now it will be easier to score with hot japanese girls.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Vino is about as asian as I am.

That's because he is Kazakhstani but not Kazakh.

It's a common mistake.
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[craig1985]

Vino is about as asian as I am. Actually, going by hair color, I am more asian. Woo hoo, now it will be easier to score with hot japanese girls.

Just go on holiday there, like I did.

 

[Archibald]

That's cool because "Mexican" in the US usually means Spanish, Peruvian, Costa Rican, Nicraguan, etc. I see your rednecks are no more intelligent than are ours. Man, your rednecks are going to sh!t a brick when they find out they're Asian. Of course, our rednecks are going to face the same problem when we are reclassified as a Hispanic country because that demographic will soon be the largest percentage of our population.

well, one of your rednecks has sorted that. After having 9 kids he got a vasectomy. When he was asked why, he said "I heard that 1 in 10 children born here in the US is Mexican. I didn't want to have one because I can't speak spanish."

 

[Darryl Webster]

Koichi Nakano``s 10 consecutive World Sprint Titles in the 70`s, 80`s surely answered the question!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koichi_Nakano

 

[hfer07]

Almost agree with your story. My only but is that they were not soooo many really good ones as you suggest before EPO (basically Lucho Herrera and Fabio Parra), and not so few when EPO was available (think in Oliverio Rincon, Botero, Mauricio Soler, Felix Cardenas, Alvaro Mejia, Victor Hugo Pena, Hernan Buenahora...). They were (compared to their european counterparts) not so good before EPO and not so bad after. They have been consistently very good before, during, and now after.

I guess the problem here is your definition of "not so good" and "not so bad" as follows:
The "not so good" before EPO Luis Herrera was KOM in all three GTs and won the Vuelta & Dauphine with some stages in the TDF, whereas Fabio Parra did get stage wins as well with podium places-3rd on 1988's TDF & 2nd on 1989's Vuelta. those results weren't easily available by anyone at all back then-even for nowadays riders-still very impressive to get those wins.

and the "not so bad" during the EPO era -setting aside Botero,which was heavily juiced-those mentioned by you couldn't do anything at all, since they didn't choose to dope so.

what matters here is the attitude of a group of riders whose cultural values/background is foreign to the accepted doping culture in Europe, and yet achieved amazing results after all. if this idea translates to the topic in discussion, I think the same level of results will attainable by Asians & Africans in years to come, as long as the doping dilemma is sorted out.

 

[nobilis]

That's because he is Kazakhstani but not Kazakh.

It's a common mistake.

So he is Kazakhstani because of the nationality but he's part of the Russian minority there, right?

 

[Boeing]

This is a disturbing thread.

Not only are Asians as fast as me but they can drop me while doing calculus and Kung Fu my rear at the same time. My Illegal Hispanic buddy speaks excelent English but in the break the other day I asked him to do a little work on the front and he told me "no hablo ingles" then dropped me thinking I meant front yard. My Native American riding partner used to be fit but he gambled his bike away. I ride with a few African American Men and they say their bib shorts never fit or have enough chamois but they are fast nonetheless. I am white and can't jump and have no rhythm riding with my iPod but still fast.