Can TGBM win La Vuelta a Espana? - BE SERIOUS!

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lol. Your are funny.

How dare we doubt the great Jurgen Van den Broeck? However, we must immediately dismiss Mollema's chances.

Probably the same type as the guys that shout "boo" whenever Boom is in a cyclocross

 

[Cobblestoned]

Look, what kind of boring and moderate vote-options.
Has to do with ACF's fear of the Durch mafia.

"No" - No way. Not in 1000 years. WTF ? Are you crazy ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Everything is possible, but normally no.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Still has a chance, but normally Wiggins or Nibali has this

 

[niidirull]

Surely has a chance to win it after finishing so well at the mountainous stages and being close to the overall GC after the TT.

Does anyone know how well he can perform on the Angliru?

 

[cineteq]

Moving on ACF, can we have a new poll: Can Froome win La Vuelta 2011?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

after today, no. top 5 yes

would like to see the next mtf before being really sure

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'll keep the quote, just in case the 1% chance happens

 

[hrotha]

after today, no. top 5 yes

would like to see the next mtf before being really sure

Personally I think today he was near the upper end of what should reasonably be expected from him in a normal day. In other words, if he could win the Vuelta yesterday, his chances remain the same or have increased after today.

I also think Wiggins lost his chances today.

 

[mad black]

To the poll - NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER!

After 2nd week Mollma = 20th on GC
After 3rd week Mollma = 30th on GC

 

[l.Harm]

I bet 50 euro's he won't.

 

[Sylvester]

Personally I think today he was near the upper end of what should reasonably be expected from him in a normal day. In other words, if he could win the Vuelta yesterday, his chances remain the same or have increased after today.

I also think Wiggins lost his chances today.

Excellent analysis. Wiggins should have done a Tony Martin TT, Mollema did reasonably well.

To the poll - NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER!

After 2nd week Mollma = 20th on GC
After 3rd week Mollma = 30th on GC

Nonsense.

 

[WillemS]

I think Mollema will be able to fight in the last week, he already has some GT experience and is getting stronger every time. He already did a great job in his first GTs, just fading a bit in the last week. I don't think that he will this time.

He might win the Vuelta, but not this year. I think he will be a podium contender, but I don't see him beating Nibali on that terrible climb that is coming up.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Me neither. Then again, I didn't see him beating Scarponi and Rodriguez either.
But Nibali looks strong so far

At best, before the Vuelta I thought he would finish 5/6/7/8... even thought Kruijswijk would do better

 

[WillemS]

Me neither. Then again, I didn't see him beating Scarponi and Rodriguez either.
But Nibali looks strong so far

At best, before the Vuelta I thought he would finish 5/6/7/8... even thought Kruijswijk would do better

I expected Kruijswijk to do better as well. But he is young (24) and he did well early on in the season. We'll see him next year. Rabobank is getting full with top-10 GT contenders. I wonder how they will solve that. Gesink did not really show improvement this year, while TGBM is just doing that. Kruijswijk, the youngest, is also hammering down the door to GT- leadership. Maybe they'll do the same next year, Kruijswijk Giro, Gesing TDF, Mollema Vuelta.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

It's already certain both Kruijswijk and Mollema will go to the Tour next year (if they show form ofcourse), and ofcourse Gesink.

Gesink did show improvement in the early season. But after that struggled with mental problems (dealing with his dad dying last autumn) and physical problems (Tour fall). But yeah, Gesink will have to step up next year if he wants to be the undisputed leader.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Me neither. Then again, I didn't see him beating Scarponi and Rodriguez either.
But Nibali looks strong so far

At best, before the Vuelta I thought he would finish 5/6/7/8... even thought Kruijswijk would do better

he still might, who knows.

anyway hopefully all 3 of them don't do tour that would blow imo.

 

[WillemS]

h

anyway hopefully all 3 of them don't do tour that would blow imo.

I was thinking the same. And about Gesink: Yes, he struggled this year, both mentally and physically. He did a great pre-season, but his pre-tour campaign wasn't good either. Yes, he did a decent stage at the end of the Dauphine, but it wasn't as good as I expected. I think he could use a sports psychologist and if he uses one, a more intensive support.

But this is a Mollema-thread. I give him about 33% chance of being impressive on the Angliru (being in front, not losing time), 33% chance of loosing some time and 33% chance of losing too much time. If he's within those first 66%, he's done a good job.

 

[theyoungest]

I was thinking the same. And about Gesink: Yes, he struggled this year, both mentally and physically. He did a great pre-season, but his pre-tour campaign wasn't good either. Yes, he did a decent stage at the end of the Dauphine, but it wasn't as good as I expected. I think he could use a sports psychologist and if he uses one, a more intensive support.

But this is a Mollema-thread. I give him about 33% chance of being impressive on the Angliru (being in front, not losing time), 33% chance of loosing some time and 33% chance of losing too much time. If he's within those first 66%, he's done a good job.

He was the strongest of the riders in Tour preparation... what more did you expect?

Dutch cycling fans are suddenly great amateur psychologists, it seems.

 

[auscyclefan94]

He was the strongest of the riders in Tour preparation... what more did you expect?

Dutch cycling fans are suddenly great amateur psychologists, it seems.

IN one stage he was. It's good to not show your hand at the Dauphine but you can't just go out the back of stages either. Building the race fitness is important.

It's already certain both Kruijswijk and Mollema will go to the Tour next year (if they show form ofcourse), and ofcourse Gesink.

Gesink did show improvement in the early season. But after that struggled with mental problems (dealing with his dad dying last autumn) and physical problems (Tour fall). But yeah, Gesink will have to step up next year if he wants to be the undisputed leader.

Groan. All 3 of them in the 1 GT? I don't like that.

 

[l.Harm]

Tour is by far the most important GT for Rabobank. They want their best climbers in the Tour de France.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

IN one stage he was. It's good to not show your hand at the Dauphine but you can't just go out the back of stages either. Building the race fitness is important.


Groan. All 3 of them in the 1 GT? I don't like that.

Get used to it, the dream is to have an all-dutch team in the far future, ofcourse preferably with riders coming from their own CT squad.

Imagine in 2016 a team with: Gesink, Mollema, Kruijswijk, Slagter, Kelderman, Goos, Olivier, Boom and Van Winden...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Lol. Your are funny.

How dare we doubt the great Jurgen Van den Broeck? However, we must immediately dismiss Mollema's chances.

And you are histerical. (In both meanings of the word).

Reading comprehension ftw.

The poll says: can he win La Vuelta.
My question regarding the poll: is the poll about this vuelta? Then no.

So why am i funny? Are you going to cry when Mollema won't win? Because you better prepare yourself to the fact that he isn't going to. And where did i say JVDB is going to win the Vuelta? Since the news about him entering the Vuelta, i've been saying top 10. If he recovers good, top 5 is possible. Everything more is nothing short of amazing. But the thing with VDB (although this is completely off topic, yet we have you to thank for that) is that if you count the the 2 MTF and the uphill sprints, he was always in the front and would be in 2nd position (after Mollema i think) if there were no time bonus and no TT. Keeping in mind what is yet to come, that doesn't sound too bad for him, when you could argue he might very well improve as his preparation was hardly ideal.

But by all means, don't let me spoil your hissy fit.

 

[The Hitch]

Well done to Mollema for his Vuelta. A day in red halfway through and a likely top 10.

Theres more to come.

I always liked Mollema, and thought he could do well, unlike those who continue to mock him with a nickname that should only ever be reserved for people like Contador, Gilbert, Cancellara, Merckx.

And you are histerical. (In both meanings of the word).

Reading comprehension ftw.

The poll says: can he win La Vuelta.
My question regarding the poll: is the poll about this vuelta? Then no.

So why am i funny? Are you going to cry when Mollema won't win? Because you better prepare yourself to the fact that he isn't going to. And where did i say JVDB is going to win the Vuelta? Since the news about him entering the Vuelta, i've been saying top 10. If he recovers good, top 5 is possible. Everything more is nothing short of amazing. But the thing with VDB (although this is completely off topic, yet we have you to thank for that) is that if you count the the 2 MTF and the uphill sprints, he was always in the front and would be in 2nd position (after Mollema i think) if there were no time bonus and no TT. Keeping in mind what is yet to come, that doesn't sound too bad for him, when you could argue he might very well improve as his preparation was hardly ideal.

But by all means, don't let me spoil your hissy fit.

And if you discount all hilly and mountain stages as well as tts (since you have already disqualified them) Cav would have won the Tour.

Its one thing to discount ttts or mechanical problems or crashes where a time loss is not a riders fault. Uphill finishes and tts however are entirely up to the riders themselves.

 

[theyoungest]

And you are histerical. (In both meanings of the word).

Reading comprehension ftw.

The poll says: can he win La Vuelta.
My question regarding the poll: is the poll about this vuelta? Then no.

So why am i funny? Are you going to cry when Mollema won't win? Because you better prepare yourself to the fact that he isn't going to. And where did i say JVDB is going to win the Vuelta? Since the news about him entering the Vuelta, i've been saying top 10. If he recovers good, top 5 is possible. Everything more is nothing short of amazing. But the thing with VDB (although this is completely off topic, yet we have you to thank for that) is that if you count the the 2 MTF and the uphill sprints, he was always in the front and would be in 2nd position (after Mollema i think) if there were no time bonus and no TT. Keeping in mind what is yet to come, that doesn't sound too bad for him, when you could argue he might very well improve as his preparation was hardly ideal.

But by all means, don't let me spoil your hissy fit.

I don't think he's going to. But this poll is about if he could win the Vuelta. Of which I say: if he goes on like this, of course he can. However, your opinion is "of course not". Which I think is funny, in the light of your VDB stories like the one you just added to your arsenal: if there were no time bonuses and no ITT he'd have been second. Yes, so would my grandmother.

But feel free to continue with your brand of chauvinism disguised as impartiality.