Cancellara

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Mr.38% said:
Mrs John Murphy, with all respect, I consider prologues and ITTs doable for a talented rider in a micro-dosed environment. The other results are obvious, though. The Bejing road race pursuit was a joke.

It depends how you look at it. If you know there are times people in the leaders group just watch each other and stop working because the other should lead or hasn't worked as much as another... So no wonder riders can catch up.
 
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Alpechraxler said:
heyy manner up !

I provided you with a vid from the event i do also remember the race i even watched it and i know that Cancellara raced alone through that tunnel on the motoway.

And i didn't say he didn't dope i said others were caught for CERA so it's unlikly he used CERA.

And just because i'm swiss he must be my boy.. exactly. Maybe i'm just someone who believes in miracles or at least i just think twice about things. and not assuming every win in 2008 must have CERA involved. And ah by the way how on earth you explain the low suspicious index of cancellara he got from the equipe ? 0 or 1 ?

Aint no miracles in cycling. Just chemicals.

L'Equipe does not give a suspicious index as far as i know. got a link?

UCI published a list of suspicious index on a scale of 1-10. They was torn apart in here long ago.
 
Benotti69 said:
Aint no miracles in cycling. Just chemicals.

L'Equipe does not give a suspicious index as far as i know. got a link?

UCI published a list of suspicious index on a scale of 1-10. They was torn apart in here long ago.

Problem is that riders with doctors who know how to produce readings that dont get flagged up will be lower on the scale than they should be. Also, there are comments in Ashenden v UCI thread about how readings that were actually dodgy didnt make it to the expert analysis stage, suggesting that, at least in Armstrong's example, there are riders whose score should be higher.

I think there was some commentary as well on the 0-10 scale saying that some people kept on returning almost exactly the same values, prompting suspicion? Not sure what number they would have had?

IMHO most of the 0/1 riders were probably clean or at least cleaner than most in the 2008-10 period, but this does not mean that all were.
 
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Frosty said:
Problem is that riders with doctors who know how to produce readings that dont get flagged up will be lower on the scale than they should be. Also, there are comments in Ashenden v UCI thread about how readings that were actually dodgy didnt make it to the expert analysis stage, suggesting that, at least in Armstrong's example, there are riders whose score should be higher,

Which is probably most of the peleton as the sharp end.

Now you know why teas have so many doctors and blood specialists

Frosty said:
I think there was some commentary as well on the 0-10 scale saying that some people kept on returning almost exactly the same values, prompting suspicion? Not sure what number they would have had?

It was a UCI table and therefore worth nothing.

Frosty said:
IMHO most of the 0/1 riders were probably clean or at least cleaner than most in the 2008-10 period, but this does not mean that all were.

It was a UCI table and therefore worth nothing. I dont believe 2012 was clean never mind '08-'10.
 
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Alpechraxler said:
And just because i'm swiss he must be my boy.. exactly. Maybe i'm just someone who believes in miracles or at least i just think twice about things. and not assuming every win in 2008 must have CERA involved. And ah by the way how on earth you explain the low suspicious index of cancellara he got from the equipe ? 0 or 1 ?

That same list gave Cali '10 winner (with a nice high 6s W/kg on the first summit finish) Chris Horner a zero, too.

Alpechraxler said:
It depends how you look at it. If you know there are times people in the leaders group just watch each other and stop working because the other should lead or hasn't worked as much as another... So no wonder riders can catch up.

Oh please. The leaders were full gas in front. They had the medals and were fully committed. Cancellara roared across the gap like the leaders had stopped for coffee.
 
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will10 said:
Oh please. The leaders were full gas in front. They had the medals and were fully committed. Cancellara roared across the gap like the leaders had stopped for coffee.

yeah for sure he just hit the throttle once like in flanders. Anyway he was not the only one closing in. And did you ever train with people heavier than you ? You know what happens on the downhills ?
 
Netserk said:
As long as he doesn't win Ronde or Roubaix more times than Tommeke, I'm happy :p

But I do think he will last longer than 1 year. (is that this year, or next year?)

He won't now. The moment he fell in RVV last year that became impossible. Boonen is imo very lucky that happened. Canc would have been ahead of him in Ronde as of half an hour ago.

Though Boonen was screwed over twice himself with Devolder, so maybe equal would be fair.
 
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The Hitch said:
He won't now. The moment he fell in RVV last year that became impossible. Boonen is imo very lucky that happened. Canc would have been ahead of him in Ronde as of half an hour ago.

I think Sagan will be a bigger threat to Boonen's numbers that Cancellara.

Beyond maybe next year, I don't know that Canc will stay ahead anywhere beyond that; and I think another 12 months and Sagan won't get dropped on the final climb.
 
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Suppose Cancellara joins Sky and gets on Wiggins' drop-a-few-kg-while-increasing-absolute-power program. Could he actually win the TDF?
 
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SeriousSam said:
Suppose Cancellara joins Sky and gets on Wiggins' drop-a-few-kg-while-increasing-absolute-power program. Could he actually win the TDF?

Yes, easily. Cancallera was a better climber and TTer than Wiggo until 2009.
 
The Hitch said:
He won't now. The moment he fell in RVV last year that became impossible. Boonen is imo very lucky that happened. Canc would have been ahead of him in Ronde as of half an hour ago.

Though Boonen was screwed over twice himself with Devolder, so maybe equal would be fair.
So Canc would have won in '10, '12 and '13.

Boonen in '05, '06, '08 and '09.

So Boonen would still have won most then ;)
 
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The Hitch said:
He won't now. The moment he fell in RVV last year that became impossible. Boonen is imo very lucky that happened. Canc would have been ahead of him in Ronde as of half an hour ago.

Though Boonen was screwed over twice himself with Devolder, so maybe equal would be fair.

Don't forget Roubaix 2007. ;)

Ps:

3+2= 5 or 2+2= 4

2+1= 3

;)
 
Netserk said:
So Canc would have won in '10, '12 and '13.

Boonen in '05, '06, '08 and '09.

So Boonen would still have won most then ;)

Yes, but Canc was also screwed a bit in 2011. So im saying they both get every race they were strongest in or they both let one go (say 08 for Boonen, 11 for Cancellara;))
 
El Pistolero said:
Don't forget Roubaix 2007. ;)

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Im not talking about Roubaix, im talking about Ronde.

Roubaix i think suits Boonen better and Canc less so maybe Boonen would have won Roubaix last year anyway, even with Canc there, as he was superstrong. That would have been the great duel between them I think, the big once and for all showdown with both at the top of their game, and with Boonen out now, I don't think well ever see it.

Oh and before you do your favorite trick of going back a decade, im talking about the Canc of 2010 onwards not the Canc of yesterdecade so dont come back showing me stats about how Canc also preferred Roubaix when he was a pup.