Cancellara

[ANCrider]

CSC for the win(s)

 

[hrotha]

CSC for the win(s)

What a lame cop-out.

 

[ANCrider]

Agreed. We'll never know how well he could have done without the doping.

 

[El Pistolero]

He definitely had a magical transformation in late 2009. And he won his first Monument and time trial WC the moment he started working with Luigi Cecchini and Riis.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Does that explain his career climbing peak being in June 2009? Methinks he had targeted the Mendrisio Worlds from afar. Might explain why his Classics campaign that year was so bad, come to think about it.

And the word 'literally' has no place in metaphors. Literally and Metaphorically are, or at least should be, complete antonyms.

 

[El Pistolero]

Does that explain his career climbing peak being in June 2009? Methinks he had targeted the Mendrisio Worlds from afar. Might explain why his Classics campaign that year was so bad, come to think about it.

And the word 'literally' has no place in metaphors. Literally and Metaphorically are, or at least should be, complete antonyms.

His chain snapped at the Koppenberg in 2009 and he was sick that year.

Cancellara was already climbing at a level he shouldn't in 2008.

Me thinks Cancellara doped much more than other riders for the WC in his home country.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Me thinks Cancellara doped much more than other riders for the WC in his home country.

That must be the reason why he put Wigan on five and Froome on four and a half minutes.

And he won his first Monument and time trial WC the moment he started working with Luigi Cecchini and Riis.

So, he was not training at Cecchini when he was riding for Ferretti? Or Santucione?

 

[maltiv]

However, there are some things that really go in his favour. Namely, he always had great talent, winning the Junior world TT champs twice for example (1998, 1999, a long time ago). Also, I don't think doping gives you as big an advantage in classics as it does in GTs (even Tyler said so in his book I think). Last but not least, he never had any miraculous transformations, such as suddenly becoming a great climber while improving his TT... Actually we can see how his TT has worsened in the last few years (or perhaps he's not trying as hard).

Also, he was a zero on UCI's suspicion index.

That doesn't mean he is clean of course, but it shows that his blood values must have been very stable. Which implicates that he can't have been doping that much, unless he has an insanely good program (better than e.g. Armstrong and Wiggins).

 

[El Pistolero]

Also, he was a zero on UCI's suspicion index.

That doesn't mean he is clean of course, but it shows that his blood values must have been very stable. Which implicates that he can't have been doping that much, unless he has an insanely good program (better than e.g. Armstrong and Wiggins).

Only it wasn't a suspicion index, that's what L'equipe made from it.

 

[Benotti69]

Also, he was a zero on UCI's suspicion index.

That doesn't mean he is clean of course, but it shows that his blood values must have been very stable. Which implicates that he can't have been doping that much, unless he has an insanely good program (better than e.g. Armstrong and Wiggins).

How many Swiss riders had a high suspicion index score over 3?

I doubt UCI, based in Aigle, Switzerland will go after Swiss riders willingly.

 

[ANCrider]

How many Swiss riders had a high suspicion index score over 3?

I doubt UCI, based in Aigle, Switzerland will go after Swiss riders willingly.

Of course the fact that there are only 2 Swiss riders of any significance in the World Tour rankings wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it?

Oh no.

(there are also Zaugg, Tschopp and Frank, but you probably have never heard of them)

 

[will10]

However, there are some things that really go in his favour. Namely, he always had great talent, winning the Junior world TT champs twice for example (1998, 1999, a long time ago). Also, I don't think doping gives you as big an advantage in classics as it does in GTs (even Tyler said so in his book I think). Last but not least, he never had any miraculous transformations, such as suddenly becoming a great climber while improving his TT... Actually we can see how his TT has worsened in the last few years (or perhaps he's not trying as hard).

Did he?

He went to the bother of getting a BB before Liege 2003 and it seemed to work pretty well from where I was sitting.

 

[hrotha]

Did he?

He went to the bother of getting a BB before Liege 2003 and it seemed to work pretty well from where I was sitting.

Of course it works, but a key benefit of doping that doesn't play such a big role in the classics is recovery. You still get better recovery from training, of course, but daily recovery during a race is a huge factor too.

 

[Netserk]

Of course it works, but a key benefit of doping that doesn't play such a big role in the classics is recovery. You still get better recovery from training, of course, but daily recovery during a race is a huge factor too.

On the other hand doping also helps a lot with endurance, which is more important in classics. No way there would be any 'big' bunch sprints in MSR without the dope.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think it's reactionary and misleading to play down the benefits on PEDs in a one-day race. Strength, stamina, size, power can all be tweaked.

3 week long stage races are a fairly unique mainstream sporting event, few make such demands of endurance, but one day races are much more inline with the demands of other sport. Presumably re-infusing the day before the race after racing and training in preperation is going to give you a big boost.

 

[happychappy]

They even started x-raying bikes because Luigi's 2010 attacks were so utterly and incomprehensibly ridiculous.

 

[peterst6906]

They even started x-raying bikes because Luigi's 2010 attacks were so utterly and incomprehensibly ridiculous.

I would say it was more Cecchini's allegations that were incomprehensibly ridiculous.

 

[happychappy]

I would say it was more Cecchini's allegations that were incomprehensibly ridiculous.

Sure sure

A never before seen picture of clasicomano luigi caught off guard!

 

[del1962]

Canc still as strong as ever post Fuentes. Guess he isnt Luigi afterall.

So you are saying Tyler was wrong, not a Fuentes client?

 

[The Hitch]

So you are saying Tyler was wrong, not a Fuentes client?

No, Im saying he is still doping ( after Tyler revealed he was probably Luigi i was vocal about my opinion that Cancellara may struggle because he has to stop doping, kind of how GIlbert did after he stopped working with Iburaugen Taus)

 

[wannab]

They even started x-raying bikes because Luigi's 2010 attacks were so utterly and incomprehensibly ridiculous.

I hope they still are!
Sprinting without coming out of the saddle
Out climbing everyone @1400w while sitting

just saying (slightly sarcastic )

 

[Cancellator]

I hope they still are!
Sprinting without coming out of the saddle
Out climbing everyone @1400w while sitting

just saying (slightly sarcastic )

I know you're not 100% serious, but just for the record...

Generally the bigger/heavier you are, the less time you should spend out of the saddle climbing. And probably even less on the pave, where you already have to waste extra energy (and where the favoured position seems to be hands on the tops, which isn't really compatible with standing).

 

[masking_agent]

who's currently Cancellara's doctor ?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

who's currently Cancellara's doctor ?

Seems Radioshack have no doctors:
http://www.radioshackleopardtrek.com/team

They did not even mention Geert Duffeleer there, he is a handy man. If Dag van Elslande is still there is not sure.

There is Nino Daniele.

 

[masking_agent]

Seems Radioshack have no doctors:
http://www.radioshackleopardtrek.com/team

They did not even mention Geert Duffeleer there, he is a handy man. If Dag van Elslande is still there is not sure.

There is Nino Daniele.

yes I checked there too and noticed no team doctor as well. Hmm????