Cancellara

[Zweistein]

I guess we will find out if Luigi was Cancerella. I hope not but his involvement with CSC and Cechini is hard not to cause doubt.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/puerto-fuentes-willing-to-give-up-client-list

 

[spalco]

I guess we will find out if Luigi was Cancerella. I hope not but his involvement with CSC and Cechini is hard to cause doubt.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/puerto-fuentes-willing-to-give-up-client-list

Fuentes isn't going to tell ****, he's Omerta all the way. He probably just said that to blackmail the court into letting him off with the implicit threat of exposing half of Spain's biggest sports stars.

 

[thehog]

Fuentes isn't going to tell ****, he's Omerta all the way. He probably just said that to blackmail the court into letting him off with the implicit threat of exposing half of Spain's biggest sports stars.

Agree.

Somewhere out there, there is a blood bag with Luigi on it.

It might get matched. Might not.

Until then...

 

[hrotha]

Just a couple of days ago he told Marca he would not release the list unless prompted by a judge...

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

It's a fact that the Rock Racing guys thought Cancellara was Luigi. Look up Michael Creed's tweets, for example.

Personally I'm pretty sure when something is known within the peloton they're usually right about it.

I'm not sure. Carlos Barredo claimed Hushovd is "Tor", but it looks like Tor isn't even a cyclist.

 

[il_cobra]

looks impressive right now

guess he's another advanced AICAR user

 

[infeXio]

So when a rider looks fit, the natural inference is that said rider uses AICAR?

 

[sniper]

So when a rider looks fit, the natural inference is that said rider uses AICAR?

if you can read you see il cobra is guessing, not naturally infering.
and not a bad guess.

 

[infeXio]

Hard not to interpret it is an inference on his behalf...

 

[sniper]

Hard not to interpret it is an inference on his behalf...

well it's not a bad guess/inference.
bruyneel was into aicar in 2009 already.
i think aicar is still not being tested for, is it?
the use of it in the peloton must be rampant.
no wonder Di Luca was called "stupid", "dumb" and "a fool" by his colleagues when he tested positive for epo.

 

[il_cobra]

So when a rider looks fit, the natural inference is that said rider uses AICAR?

cancellara looks like slightly tighter chris froome

 

[Fus087]

Here's a picture from 2008:

I don't think Aicar was in use back then already (or, if we want to get all conspirational, maybe Cancellara was one of the pioneers of it?).

Anyway, all I can see is that he's as trimmed as he was for the Olympics, and we all know how that road race went.
Cancellara will be there in Firenze; his only problem could be that he's too strong for his own good.

 

[Netserk]

Here's a picture from 2008:

I don't think Aicar was in use back then already (or, if we want to get all conspirational, Cancellara was one of the pioneers of it).

Anyway, all I can see is that he's as trimmed as he was for the Olympics, and we all know how that road race went.
Cancellara will be there in Firenze; his only problem could be that he's too strong for his own good.

I heard a lot of rumors about AICAR in 2008-2009, not as much recently.

10char....

 

[sniper]

Here's a picture from 2008:

I don't think Aicar was in use back then already (or, if we want to get all conspirational, Cancellara was one of the pioneers of it).

he looks roughly as fit there as he does now.
of course the exact contents of his lunch box have changed over the years. some things have become detectable.
but aicar may well have been an ingredient of both lunch boxes.
or aicar may have replaced something that was in his 2008 lunchbox and has since become detectable.

 

[Netserk]

@sniper

See the JV quote.

It could very well explain his transformation back then. Absolute monster on the Alpe stage that year.

I think his amazing Beijing form was a cocktail of BB, CERA and Aicar.

 

[sniper]

@sniper

See the JV quote.

It could very well explain his transformation back then. Absolute monster on the Alpe stage that year.

I think his amazing Beijing form was a cocktail of BB, CERA and Aicar.

yeah saw that thanks.

I'm not sure what WADA are doing with AICAR. Apparently elevated levels of AICAR are detectable in urine, and some scientific studies have established a natural limit, but WADA isn't accepting or working with that limit (yet).

Here (from June 2013):

Einen natürlichen Grenzwert für Aicar haben Thevis und seine Kollegen mittlerweile bestimmt. Warum die Antidopingagenturen mit diesem Grenzwert im Rahmen von individuellen Blut- und Urinprofilen nicht arbeiten, mochte die Wada auf Anfrage nicht beantworten. Derzeit stellt sich für den Muskelturbo Aicar die Sachlage so dar, wie es bis 2002 mit dem Blutstimulator Epo der Fall war: Der Gebrauch ist strafbar. Weil man ihn nicht nachweisen kann, ist der Anreiz für Betrüger jedoch enorm.

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/doping-bei-der-tour-de-france-aicar-ist-das-neue-epo/8416506.html

I'm not sure if this means they aren't testing for aicar at all though.

 

[Alpechraxler]

He must have used (more) synacthen back in 2008, his tan was better.

 

[AcademyCC]

So i do have question. How has he done it? dominated yet no positive test?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So i do have question. How has he done it? dominated yet no positive test?

On Lance Armstrong until last year: So i do have question. How has he done it? dominated yet no positive test?

 

[Netserk]

So i do have question. How has he done it? dominated yet no positive test?

You could almost say the same about Indurain.

 

[del1962]

The evidence we have against Cancellara is what Tyler and Creed have implied, which is imo pretty damning. These pictures prove nothing though.

 

[Netserk]

The evidence we have against Cancellara is what Tyler and Creed have implied, which is imo pretty damning. These pictures prove nothing though.

Good thing then that no one has claimed that they proved anything

 

[Benotti69]

new video about mechanical doping

http://bureausport.vara.nl/Newsdetail.10959.0.html?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=109631&cHash=1164083b775288c227b0c42062c5d03c

funny that Rasmussen said he wouldn't

 

[Netserk]

new video about mechanical doping

http://bureausport.vara.nl/Newsdetail.10959.0.html?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=109631&cHash=1164083b775288c227b0c42062c5d03c

funny that Rasmussen said he wouldn't

Fixed your link:

http://bureausport.vara.nl/Newsdeta...109631&cHash=1164083b775288c227b0c42062c5d03c

 

[Benotti69]

Fixed your link:

http://bureausport.vara.nl/Newsdeta...109631&cHash=1164083b775288c227b0c42062c5d03c

for those too lazy to copy and past

Thanks Netserk.