Probably because of the way he has been riding recently?**Uru** said:This just cracks me up. Last week, Spartacus wins and the there is an immediate thread started asking who the real winner is. Today, he wins, but there is a thread started before the race is even finished. He may or may not be doped. Everyone in the peloton may be doped. But let me ask you this...could the very same thing happen if they are not doped? Seems to me that the answer is yes. Boonen himself said that he might have done the same thing (he in fact tried but could not get away). The fact that none of the guys behind Spartacus wanted to give chase indicates to me that they gave up, not that he cheated.
How do you know? Do you have anything to prove it or just speculation?la.margna said:...
So discussions like these are useless and a waste of time. The top riders have all the same budget and equal access to state-of-the-art medical treatments. Although it's sad, we can't change it unfortunately.
Are you suggesting that some other sport is not a farce in the same way?marinoni said:This sport is an utter farce. I don't know who said it but- Rotten to the Core.
I'm done. Sorry but I just cant take the stench anymore. Good luck with your riding guys.
I agree. So Canc opens up a two and a half minute lead and holds it and that evidence of doping? How many riders could chase him down anyway? AC? A few others maybe?Escarabajo said:How do you know? Do you have anything to prove it or just speculation?
oddly enough, that belief crossed my mind a couple of times years ago-and if it's true-this will take cycling to its ruins-at least the dopers are propelling the bike with their legs and not aided by mechanic devices.......theswordsman said:
horner is 38. so you're saying horner is doping and valverde isn't ?peloton said:Probably because of the way he has been riding recently?
Climbing better than ever, dropping Boonen at Flanders I could somewhat understand, but bombarding in a TT mode in to a headwind with 50k's(!) to go after 200k's in his legs, sorry but I'm not buying it, no matter how unorganized the chase was.
Horner drinking a youth elixir and doing a TT of his life at the ripe age of 39 yesterday made me really skeptical, today made me even more.
Looks like absolutely nothing has changed doping wise in cycling.
What is there to prove? New performance enhancing methods will always be ahead of test methodology, by definition. They can't test for something they don't know about yet.Escarabajo said:How do you know? Do you have anything to prove it or just speculation?
By the time Flecha gave chase Cancellara had the race in the bag. He eased off. He was no longer using an extreme aero position like he was during the first 30Khmronnow said:When Flecha finally attacked (with Huvshovd half-helping), the gap stayed around 3 min, so at that point Flecha rode as fast as Cancellara.
Zomegnan's quote about old dudes and shorter legs but longer tongues seems appropriate here.hmronnow said:I read some interresting comments from Roger de Vlaeminck.
According to Vlaeminck, they only rode 38km/h the last hour. "it wasn't Cancellara who rode too fast, the others rode too slow". And "Cancellara could not have beat me, because he was tired on the velodrome, and I were never tired".
What I'm tired of is all the guys who when pushed will admit that they think they all (or very nearly all) dope, going on and on after a great performance (Canc at Roubaix and Horner at Pais Vasco) about how doped the winner had to be. Well no fricken' duh, let's shut up and enjoy the spectacle. Of course the winner was doping he'd have been 20 minutes off the back otherwise.richwagmn said:I agree. So Canc opens up a two and a half minute lead and holds it and that evidence of doping? How many riders could chase him down anyway? AC? A few others maybe?
His attack was superbly timed. I'm tired of the "we know this guy is doping" crowd without any evidence at all.
Nice to see even the absolute idols can be afflicted by "the older I get the faster I was" disease.BroDeal said:By the time Flecha gave chase Cancellara had the race in the bag. He eased off. He was no longer using an extreme aero position like he was during the first 30K
The Zomegnan's quote about old dudes and shorter legs but longer tongues seems appropriate here.
The are neck and neck in the style departmenthmronnow said:According to Vlaeminck, they only rode 38km/h the last hour. "it wasn't Cancellara who rode too fast, the others rode too slow". And "Cancellara could not have beat me, because he was tired on the velodrome, and I were never tired".
Agree ........ juiced or not juiced ..... great ride, great to watch .... and clearly the " Train had left the station and Boonen was still on the platform " Boonens fault and unlike SAXO who drove for a while (Ogrady was spent)... quickstep where found wanting.la.margna said:Ridicolous to claim Cancellara attacked while TB was eating/drinking. Check it out for youself in the video. Tom had finished eating/drinking and was relaxing behind Fabü, before the two FDJ/BBOX riders attacked and Cance countered their move only to realise that for once, nobody was sucking his wheel, so he put down the accelerator and the rest is history.
Roger de VlaeminckBroDeal said:Zomegnan's quote about old dudes and shorter legs but longer tongues seems appropriate here.
Dunno, maybe old Roger HAS earned the right to comment at least on winning Paris-Roubaix (and the Ronde/Roubaix double).Milan-Sanremo 1973, 1978, 1979
Ronde van Vlaanderen 1977
Paris-Roubaix 1972, 1974, 1975, 1977
Giro di Lombardia 1974, 1976
Cyclo-cross World Championships 1975
Tour de Suisse 1975 (including six stage wins)
Tour de France (stage win) 1970
points classification: 1972, 1974, 1975
22 stage wins between 1972 and 1979
Vuelta a España (stage win) 1984
Tirreno-Adriatico (Overall) 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977
Omloop Het Volk 1969, 1979
La Flèche Wallonne 1971
Belgian National Road Race Champion 1969, 1981
Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne 1970, 1971
E3 Prijs Vlaanderen 1971
Milano-Torino 1972, 1974
Coppa Agostoni 1975, 1976
Giro del Veneto 1974
Druivenkoers Overijse 1970, 1972, 1974, 1978
Grote Scheldeprijs 1970
The scariest part is that he won most of those races at the same time as Merckx! After Eddy he is surely the greatest classics rider ever. He won at least one MONUMENT every year from 1972 to 1979!MacRoadie said:Roger de Vlaeminck
Dunno, maybe old Roger HAS earned the right to comment at least on winning Paris-Roubaix (and the Ronde/Roubaix double).
Not exactly a bad classics rider...
Tom T. said:Somebody suggested starting a thread here. Cance has just taken a minute out of Boonen, Pippo, Hushovd, Hammond, Hoste, Flecha and other in about 10 km. I don't believe it for a second. I am just disgusted at this exploit, no way he isn't on an advanced "program" of some sort. I'm almost tempted to stop watching.