BroDeal said:
I think thats not the right call Bro (though as always I defer to Publicus on troll catching)
Read some of his other posts, they don't appear to be the same style as the Problem User, I think it is just a remark on different people's reading of the Canc dropping out of Ardennes scenario.
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JPM London said:
With all due respect I would recommend that you avoid painting the whole board with broad statements regarding what "you guys" think (if you don't want to get flamed).
Anyway I personally would have loved to see Cancellara race the Ardennes on his current form (part of which form probably includes drugs as it no doubt does for many of his competitors).
Canc probably thinks he can't extend his peak and needs a rest or something. But he's as skinny as he's ever been and climbing well up the power climbs at Flanders; would have been cool to see what he could do in Amstel and LBL. Honestly Canc would probably still get dropped at LBL even on this form in my opinion.
I did not see a problem with either of Canc wins. I just do not like Riis boasting about Canc future exploits. I just do not like Riis I think he is a hippocrite.
flicker said:
Everyone in cycling is a hypocrite, at least Riis actually admitted to doping. Wouldnt exactly trust the guy either but dont you admonish people who criticise Lance on here. That makes you a...wait for it.....ah you can figure it out yourself.
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luckyboy said:
Riis admitted to doping when he was to be proved that he doped. Wasn't it a book revelation about Riis dopage coming out?
Didn't Rolf Aldag and Eric Zabel come out of the closet at the same time?
I admire Lance and Betsy hearing people laugh about doping around the dinner table and the Frank to Jonathon emails and the things people have said about Lance in the 1999 tour, well it makes me sad and suspicious.
If Lord Armstrong ever gets caught with a pos. it won't surprise me.
Until then Lance is good for cycling and for cancer awareness.
Guy is a survivor. I like that.
Anthony Roux isn't a believer either. The google translate is a little unclear, but bear with it:
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...e-a-l-offensive.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
can anyone read the original and confirm what the protege of Marc Madiot bit is about - is that Boonen questioning if Cancellara is clean, or them also asking if Boonen is clean?
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...e-a-l-offensive.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
can anyone read the original and confirm what the protege of Marc Madiot bit is about - is that Boonen questioning if Cancellara is clean, or them also asking if Boonen is clean?
Cerberus said:
Armstrong Suspected, yet to be proven. Its not that Riis nationality is Danish.
Its the fotos I saw of Riis in the tour96/95. His Admission right before he knew the proof was coming out.
Lance had the same look in the 99 tour. Very suspect.
You keep saying that proof was coming out, but what proof. Let's play a little game, I give evidence that Armstrong was doped and you give this proof of yours that you say convinced Riis that he had to come clean before he was exposed. We'll see who has the most and best evidende. I'll start Armstrong positive in retrospective testing of samples from the 1999 Tour. Your turn.flicker said:
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Escarabajo said:You know why we make those comments? Because we already believe that he is doping. So every comment he makes is to fit that purpose anyway. So we are not looking into whether he is doping or not. It looks like we already made up our minds.
Ha, I like that
Actually probably why I made the comment. It's all too easy to turn any comment or event into something suspicious.
Uhm, let me count... One! - I think.
Sorry, meight be that I misread my own post, but I don't see anything in it that indicates any trolldom. I'm not stupid and know doping occurs, but I'm not for crying wolf at any opportunity either. Just as GMac says:
Yeah, I know... Hate that myself, so sorry to anybody who might feel hurt
Just that I was short on time and hurried it through, so skipped a few steps there... But, hey, I'm far from the only one to have done that anyway...
Oh, and BikeCentric, so agree with the rest of your post as well. Would have been nice to see FC in the Ardennes...
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Yes, there was a book:Cerberus said:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/latest-dhont-book-tinkoff-say-yes-to-hamilton-and-jaksche-9346
...but it came out before Riis admitted to doping. But it was pretty much the reason that Riis finally did come clean, if I recall.
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As for this whole Riis thing, let's just conclude he's a very, very stubborn character.
In 1999 a couple of Danish journalists made several tv programs detailing doping in international cycling. Back in 1995 one of them had worked as a masseur for Gewiss-Ballan and had used that opportunity to collect trash left by the soigneur and to get other inside info like lists with riders' hematocrits on them.
What they showed where bags full of medicine including unlabelled vials that turned out to be EPO. The hematocrits lists showed that all the riders on the lists had normal levels that at later times where all in the fifties.
Later in the program they interviewed Riis, who in the face of all this denied any involvement in doping and said "those are not my numbers" about the hematocrits. Just like Lance can say about the positive 99 urine samples, Riis could say this...
Now this is back in '99 and he didn't come clean until 07, so there no doubt that no amount of evidence would have made him come out.
Throughout the years since then there has been the occasional "did you dope" question, which he consistently denied. Even in the spring of 07, mere months before coming clean, he was directly asked in an interview if he could deny doping, which he did.
He only came out as everybody else (apart from Ullrich) had come out from Telekom. That whole thing by the way was started by another Danish Rider, Brian Holm, who is Director Sportif on Columbia now, and was quickly followed by the handful of German riders.
Then, and only then, did Bjarne come clean. Obviously he has a cycling team to protect, so he couldn't risk keeping this personal stuff interfering and endangering the team. But secondly he did not under any circumstance want to put his old teammates in the same position where they had to defend themselves yet again, so he would never be the first man to admit doping. That's omerta for you...
In 1999 a couple of Danish journalists made several tv programs detailing doping in international cycling. Back in 1995 one of them had worked as a masseur for Gewiss-Ballan and had used that opportunity to collect trash left by the soigneur and to get other inside info like lists with riders' hematocrits on them.
What they showed where bags full of medicine including unlabelled vials that turned out to be EPO. The hematocrits lists showed that all the riders on the lists had normal levels that at later times where all in the fifties.
Later in the program they interviewed Riis, who in the face of all this denied any involvement in doping and said "those are not my numbers" about the hematocrits. Just like Lance can say about the positive 99 urine samples, Riis could say this...
Now this is back in '99 and he didn't come clean until 07, so there no doubt that no amount of evidence would have made him come out.
Throughout the years since then there has been the occasional "did you dope" question, which he consistently denied. Even in the spring of 07, mere months before coming clean, he was directly asked in an interview if he could deny doping, which he did.
He only came out as everybody else (apart from Ullrich) had come out from Telekom. That whole thing by the way was started by another Danish Rider, Brian Holm, who is Director Sportif on Columbia now, and was quickly followed by the handful of German riders.
Then, and only then, did Bjarne come clean. Obviously he has a cycling team to protect, so he couldn't risk keeping this personal stuff interfering and endangering the team. But secondly he did not under any circumstance want to put his old teammates in the same position where they had to defend themselves yet again, so he would never be the first man to admit doping. That's omerta for you...
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goggalor said:
Oh yeah, that was a good one... Used by others since
Another Danish rider, Lars Michaelsen, was asked if he had doped and said "I have never had any problems in that direction". Hmmm...
goggalor said:
And of cause the journalists kept asking him, and he kept saying, in an increasingly shrill voice "I have never been tested positive". If ever there was a reason to trust Riis this is it. The man can't lie worth ****. It was comedy gold.
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Ferrari's very brief analysis of Cancellara's performances at RvV and P-R: http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=109
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Thanks. No power numbers. He did not mention about the power tab numbers from cancellara in Flanders either. Only that the media is exagerating the power display by Cancellara towards the end because he saved a lot of energy.goggalor said:
But note that we already have his power numbers. So the more he saved at the beginning the more power he had to increase towards the end to compensate. So it would make it worse than the 487 Watts that I calculated for the final phase of his race.
Doping
hahahaha so funny listen guys we all know most of all are on somenthing the important they still have a job too pay the bill doing what they love i beleived we have such exiting race full of drama what happen if no one had nothing be so boring and slow imagine cancerella going has a torpedo in the mur leaving boonen almost a stand still so exiting what ever they taking we love action so we get it thanks guys?
hahahaha so funny listen guys we all know most of all are on somenthing the important they still have a job too pay the bill doing what they love i beleived we have such exiting race full of drama what happen if no one had nothing be so boring and slow imagine cancerella going has a torpedo in the mur leaving boonen almost a stand still so exiting what ever they taking we love action so we get it thanks guys?
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. @f_cancellara Great point. Even football has Clasicamano Luigi's
LMAO
. @f_cancellara Great point. Even football has Clasicamano Luigi's
LMAO
I'm still clinging to the vague possibility that Fab might be clean....
OK, he gets called names by convicted dopers in California.
They might have got that wrong or just been doing it to get at him?
No doubt, other posters and events in the next few days will prove me wrong
Until then
OK, he gets called names by convicted dopers in California.
They might have got that wrong or just been doing it to get at him?
No doubt, other posters and events in the next few days will prove me wrong
Until then
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coinneach said:I'm still clinging to the vague possibility that Fab might be clean....
OK, he gets called names by convicted dopers in California.
They might have got that wrong or just been doing it to get at him?
No doubt, other posters and events in the next few days will prove me wrong
Until then
Well the problem is if we dump them all for doping we'd have no one left to root for
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