thehog said:This is the new new era which is newer than the old new era.
That's a lot of news to me...
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thehog said:This is the new new era which is newer than the old new era.
Big Doopie said:I'll wait and see. If the French teams do well at Dauphine and then at the Tour that will be good. I still am hopeful that races in France will be cleaner than elsewhere because of the laws and the political will - completely lacking in other countries like Spain (fact).
except when sarkozy willingly does armstrongs dirty work for him. (fact)Big Doopie said:Yeah, I was just dead wrong about jumping to conclusions on Talansky today.
I'll wait and see. If the French teams do well at Dauphine and then at the Tour that will be good. I still am hopeful that races in France will be cleaner than elsewhere because of the laws and the political will - completely lacking in other countries like Spain (fact).
DirtyWorks said:Except ASO doesn't seem to mind the doping and the French Government was ready to ignore their own doping laws to win an Olympic bid. It's not good.
Anecdotally, it seems one or two post-Festina French team operators are/were a bit more ethical.
With the sacking of Boyer that is been taken care of I guess.Ferminal said:I wonder how long it takes before the jump back on board.
hrotha said:People tend to have too much of a static view on doping. There's reason to think French cycling was a lot cleaner as a general rule, but for the past 2-3 years there have been many signs that things have changed.
Like the several drug ring busts in French amateur cycling, the shady doping/not-doping incidents at Europcar, the increase in anomalous values in the French longitudinal tests, ASO's change of attitude towards doping in the late 00s, and some good ol' positives. It's not just their performance - although the sight of the Europcar train defending Voeckler was ridiculous by itself.Big Doopie said:Really? Like what specifically?
It would seem that their slight uptick in performance (predominantly in French races where the testing is better and the fear of police action greater) seems to mirror others being at least slightly restricted by the bp. Rolland's win on l'Alpe was only thanks to a more human looking Clentadopucci and Sanchez. And based on that you really have to wonder whether Clentadopucci would have been even top ten in a grand tour if all things were clean. What a weak-a$$ fraud.
Ferminal said:Are you saying Chavanel doesn't currently have a good medical program?
hrotha said:People tend to have too much of a static view on doping. There's reason to think French cycling was a lot cleaner as a general rule, but for the past 2-3 years there have been many signs that things have changed.
1999, actually.thehog said:The French have had their own very of the bio passport since 2000.
That's the difference.
he has a medical program. they all do. but not a top shelf i wanna win the GC tour program. fabrice salanson mighta spooked himFerminal said:Are you saying Chavanel doesn't currently have a good medical program?
remi di gregorio had a brilliant dauphine in about 2007. a russian rider had the same breakout performace about a year or two after.hrotha said:Like the several drug ring busts in French amateur cycling, the shady doping/not-doping incidents at Europcar, the increase in anomalous values in the French longitudinal tests, ASO's change of attitude towards doping in the late 00s, and some good ol' positives. It's not just their performance - although the sight of the Europcar train defending Voeckler was ridiculous by itself.
The Hitch said:Wait, europcar is clean? Jens_attacks doesn't seem to have gotten the message.
hrotha said:Mentioning Hervé is just unfair. He's above everyone else's level of dope.
Ferminal said:There was never any consideration of him being clean was there, even post-98?
in jv we trust dontGregga said:Except from this (from the famous Andreu/Vaughters IM exchange) : "Cyclevaughters: believe me, as crazy as it sounds - Moreau was on nothing. Hct of 39%"
Considering Moreau's dodgy performances (following LA in 2000 in the TdF, 2001 prologue, 2006, 2007) I dont believe it !