considering JV's vocal support for Cookson, yes, that would raise an eyebrow or two.Ferminal said:Wouldn't mind seeing a dominant 2014 by Slipstream just to see where the thread goes
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considering JV's vocal support for Cookson, yes, that would raise an eyebrow or two.Ferminal said:Wouldn't mind seeing a dominant 2014 by Slipstream just to see where the thread goes
are you really asking this?D-Queued said:Is it odd that an ex-Garmin rider, who never made the Garmin Tour squad, would be dragging the Wizards from Oz to a TTT win?
How come he wasn't good enough before?
Dave.
Scott SoCal said:Now that the peloton is clean the French team finally have a level playing field.
movingtarget said:Does not seem to help them much. About 30 years since a Frenchman won the Tour. Apart from the anomaly that was Thomas in 2011 re a handy breakaway and a lot of spirit, I can't see any Frenchman winning the Tour in the foreseable future. There may be an element of truth in the lack of drugs, spoilt overpaid riders on French teams and lack of discipline. These types of comments have been circulating for a long time now. We have heard about the promising riders like Sicard, Rolland and Pinot but none of them are getting even close to winning a grand tour.
As for Garmin I think Talansky is their best hope at the moment and I rate him higher than Van Garderen. Next few seasons will tell. As for Hesjedal winning the Giro, well the jury's out.
movingtarget said:D There may be an element of truth in the lack of drugs, spoilt overpaid riders on French teams and lack of discipline.
Dear Wiggo said:The CN article ad libbed. The original Garmin release said nothing of Hesjedal, who won a GT barely 2 years ago, and had virus / injuries last season. Didn't even rate a mention. Seems too weird.
The Hitch said:I hope you meant "spirit" as a metaphor. The guy finished with the heads of state on 3 of the mtfs including the most brutal one.
movingtarget said:No I meant he was riding drunk............obviously I meant it was a gutsy ride and I don't think anyone would dispute that.
The Hitch said:Right but spirit isn't usually what makes a guy who's one gt stage win before 30 was the flattest stage of the 2010 tour, drop contador.
Pereiro doped.movingtarget said:I suppose but if he rode more sensibly on the Alpe stage instead of flogging away on his own between the Evans group and Contador's group he would have made the podium. Contador had also been involved in some prangs, was coming off the Giro and had knee issues. Perreiro showed previously in 2006, put someone in Yellow they fight harder. As for doping and Vockler who knows ?
hrotha said:Pereiro doped.
While the yellow jersey gives you valuable extra motivation, it also gives you more reasons to up your program (which is what I think Pereiro did).
There are many, many red flags around Europcar. Voeckler never shown that level before or after.
They weren't that bad, because Voeckler had a good level to begin with. Still not comparable to his 2011 Tour.Pentacycle said:His performances in 2010&'12 weren't that bad, particularly his stage wins in Bagnère-de-Luchon, completely destroying the breakaways.
hrotha said:Pereiro doped.
While the yellow jersey gives you valuable extra motivation, it also gives you more reasons to up your program (which is what I think Pereiro did).
There are many, many red flags around Europcar. Voeckler never shown that level before or after.
movingtarget said:Pereiro was a top 10 or 20 GT rider and was gifted 18 or 20 minutes in a breakaway in 2006. If that does not give someone incentive I don't know what does and then Landis rode like a demon to save his race, chemically enhanced of course. What I'm saying is that Pereiro was already a decent GT rider. Doping possibly.
Ferminal said:That's what I figured but he would have been tested the day of the break too. Salbutamol detection hit and miss?
hrotha said:There's no "possibly" about it.