Cav Cheating the Time Cut?

[hfer07]

Ventoso was angry

http://video.gazzetta.it/giro-di-italia-2011/index.shtml

ANTONINO MORICI(GAZZETA)
Cavendish seems to be furious because of the few stages for Sprinters-what's your opinion on that?

VENTOSO: Cavendish should be happy instead since he's allowed to continue in the race after being helped by the cars-so I think he should be rather quiet...

ANTONINO MORICI(GAZZETA)
have you spoken of this in the group(peloton)?

VENTOSO
no-but we will-will talk about it- its a shame- it's a shame that we have to break our culo to make it before the time limit while others get help by the cars to get inside the time-and the Commisaires & organizers looked the other way.....

 

[JohnNordin]

13 pages of a thread, and no one has any actual data.

Couldn't someone ask him where on the race this alleged helping occurred? Couldn't someone ask the riders who finished near Cav what they saw? Couldn't someone check and see if any fan saw it or claims they saw it?

I am no fan of Cav, but why does no journalist even ask for a bit of support for these allegations before they run with them?

 

[Granville57]

What did he say?

Did anyone see the interveiw after the stage where he was asked about the allegations. He stated that the commisairs were with his group all the way and that the team are wearing the fair play numbers (red, white & green) as they've had no penalties given against them.

Yeah, that was part of the Universal Sports broadcast.
I'm surprised no one else posted this yet. Mark in his own words:
http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=8b3cef8c-a1dd-48d7-b0ba-448f28bb9294.html#2011+giro+cavendish+responds+criticisms

The thing is, he just can't simply say, "No, I did not do that."
Why is that so hard? This is one of the longer non-denial denials I've seen in awhile. Seems all too common when cyclists are asked direct questions.

 

[Frosty]

I'll come back to my earlier point of how was the time limit just 27 minutes when there was 3400metres of climbing? The tour last year had the stage to Avoriaz the day before the rest day, they finished 32 minutes down on that day yet there was only about 2000 metres of climbing. That seems pretty tough and i think the time limit would have been extended had significant numbers finished out the time limit.

Last year saw 50 finish outside the time limit on stage 11, i think a stage back in 1994 saw all but about 50 finish inside the time limit.

 

[Midnightfright]

...or were guilty of the same offense, thus the silence.

I think your lightly right there. I don't think its that uncommon at all though to a small extent at least. I would imagine it would have to be pretty blatant for it too be commented on or maybe it was the fact it was the whole HTC train and not just cav that tipped him over the edge.

 

[greenedge]

13 pages of a thread, and no one has any actual data.

Couldn't someone ask him where on the race this alleged helping occurred? Couldn't someone ask the riders who finished near Cav what they saw? Couldn't someone check and see if any fan saw it or claims they saw it?

I am no fan of Cav, but why does no journalist even ask for a bit of support for these allegations before they run with them?

Agree. If i was a mod/ admin i would make a rider bashing subforum

 

[Andy99]

Agree. If i was a mod/ admin i would make a rider bashing subforum

Agree entirely. It is starting to become tedious now.

 

[Ferminal]

Cav thinks today will be the hardest of the Giro thus far... I bet he doesn't get a tow.

 

[rata de sentina]

Has anyone calculated Cav's power numbers for the Etna climb?

I have about 80kW with approx 350nM torque.

I made a few assumptions and I have assumed a wind speed of 0km as there was no wind in his immediate vicinity for the entire climb.

 

[ren_rm]

Manuel Cardoso said that Cavendish lost contact with a group 10km before he did, yet he arrived only 30 sec later.

Great effort management by the british.

 

[Finbouy]

Cav made the BBC news this morning, I'm pretty sure it wasn't just because of his win, they also had to bring in this story too.. so really they weren't interested in his win at all.. just the allogation of cheating..
Typical.
However you lot.. if you ever get shots of Cav riding up something steep, the lads all over the road with about 15 cars and Commisaires, TV crews on bikes and fans all along shouting at him.. Seriously.. You think it wouldn't get caught on TV for the alledged 10k?? Really..? You think that would pass any TV producer.. Nahh. thought not.
I'll hazard a guess that he, like a few others, did grab hold of a car a few times, like they all do at the back, but nothing too extraordinary to warrant any investigation..
Also, also if it was that popular to do for 10k, and excepted, why didn't Robbie do th same the other day..? Cos liek Cav he probably did it for as long, or short as he could do without being booted out and then thought the reasonable thing to was to let go...dunno of course, it's speculation.. it's all speculation
Eh?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Has anyone calculated Cav's power numbers for the Etna climb?

I have about 80kW with approx 350nM torque.

I made a few assumptions and I have assumed a wind speed of 0km as there was no wind in his immediate vicinity for the entire climb.

KW? Errrrrr Do you mean Joules? He certainly wasn't putting out 80,000 of anything every second.


Whoops - 1 special feature on the Nissan Leaf later, and I get the joke.

 

[Winterfold]

KW? Errrrrr Do you mean Joules? He certainly wasn't putting out 80,000 of anything every second.

Whooossh!!!!

That was the sound of that poster's credibility flying out the window.

While we're on dodgy maths - British Cycling have scientifically proven that the more whiners moan about Cav on cyclingnews the more popular and successful he becomes.

Two years ago he needed the whole HTC train to win, but thanks to the hate from armchair cyclists on here, he can now win just by sneaking onto the best wheel.

This has worked for him almost as well as the lesson in sneaky tactics he gets from the old fox Alejet in stage 2 of the GTs they are both in.

Keep hating losers!

 

[thehog]

Yeah, that was part of the Universal Sports broadcast.
I'm surprised no one else posted this yet. Mark in his own words:
http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=8b3cef8c-a1dd-48d7-b0ba-448f28bb9294.html#2011+giro+cavendish+responds+criticisms

The thing is, he just can't simply say, "No, I did not do that."
Why is that so hard? This is one of the longer non-denial denials I've seen in awhile. Seems all too common when cyclists are asked direct questions.

I noted the same a few pages ago. Its a strong rebuttal but not at any point does he say “I didn’t get a tow”.

 

[Ferminal]

Whooossh!!!!

That was the sound of that poster's credibility flying out the window.

While we're on dodgy maths - British Cycling have scientifically proven that the more whiners moan about Cav on cyclingnews the more popular and successful he becomes.

Two years ago he needed the whole HTC train to win, but thanks to the hate from armchair cyclists on here, he can now win just by sneaking onto the best wheel.

This has worked for him almost as well as the lesson in sneaky tactics he gets from the old fox Alejet in stage 2 of the GTs they are both in.

Keep hating losers!

You do realise that there are more "indifferent" and "positive" posts towards Cav in this thread than "whining" ones? Lots of people approaching the claims with scepticism or people aren't too bothered even if it did happen.

But in the end I guess all Cav threads seem to have to revert to the lowest common denominator where you're either a raging hater or blind defender.

 

[L'arriviste]

I noted the same a few pages ago. Its a strong rebuttal but not at any point does he say “I didn’t get a tow”.

If we borrow from the playbook of "other types of" non-denials, and also looking at responses to last night's ToC leadout shenanigans, I reckon they all do it from time to time. It's just that sometimes the dirty laundry ends up on Twotter or petty frustrations get spilled to anyone with a dictaphone.

Watching the way Garzelli drafted his way back to the peloton on the stage Gatto won the other day, it seems clear there's always grey areas to exploit. So he took a pull from a car. So Chicchi did it in that picture. I very much doubt that Ventoso has never done the same. Only nobody bothered to turn the question around, did they?

Very fractious, the peloton of today.

 

[Midnightfright]

I suspect that the reason there isn't an outright denial is because almost if not all guys in the grupetto used cars a bit and Cav is probably included in that, I would say he would be the least likely 1 to do that though just because he would be most likely 1 to be penalized for it with his name/reputation. It could even be that his team mates of took a pull and he's just protecting, highly unlikely but u will never know.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

...thanks to the hate from armchair cyclists on here, he can now win just by sneaking onto the best wheel.

Oi!!! That's libel: I love everyone

 

[cineteq]

Manuel Cardoso said that Cavendish lost contact with a group 10km before he did, yet he arrived only 30 sec later.

ANTONINO MORICI(GAZZETA)
Cavendish seems to be furious because of the few stages for Sprinters-what's your opinion on that?

VENTOSO: Cavendish should be happy instead since he's allowed to continue in the race after being helped by the cars-so I think he should be rather quiet...

ANTONINO MORICI(GAZZETA)
have you spoken of this in the group(peloton)?

VENTOSO
no-but we will-will talk about it- its a shame- it's a shame that we have to break our culo to make it before the time limit while others get help by the cars to get inside the time-and the Commisaires & organizers looked the other way.....

Manuel Cardoso said that Cavendish lost contact with a group 10km before he did, yet he arrived only 30 sec later.

Great effort management by the british.

Truth is coming out...

 

[Angliru]

What do the other sprinters or leadouts say? Who did you ask? Of course he is going to get rough in a bunch finish, its the nature of a sprint, he has to get rough because everyone is trying to derail the HTC train and Cav so he has to fight for the position, they all get rough. Any sprint in any race involves 'roughing up' when fighting for position.

I highly doubt Cav was holding onto a car, the same accusations came out at last years tour, they all get 'lazy bidons' but if Cav was hanging onto a car up the climb there would be camera footage or pictures somewhere.

On a mountainous stage I doubt that the primary focus of the media is the slow moving autobus. Additionally weren't there numerous comments about the disappointment in the size of the crowds, their being much smaller than anticipated?

 

[Angliru]

Agree entirely. It is starting to become tedious now.

...and many of those that agree with you being from the UK certainly has nothing to do with which side of the fence you're all on.

 

[Angliru]

Cav made the BBC news this morning, I'm pretty sure it wasn't just because of his win, they also had to bring in this story too.. so really they weren't interested in his win at all.. just the allogation of cheating..
Typical.
However you lot.. if you ever get shots of Cav riding up something steep, the lads all over the road with about 15 cars and Commisaires, TV crews on bikes and fans all along shouting at him.. Seriously.. You think it wouldn't get caught on TV for the alledged 10k?? Really..? You think that would pass any TV producer.. Nahh. thought not.
I'll hazard a guess that he, like a few others, did grab hold of a car a few times, like they all do at the back, but nothing too extraordinary to warrant any investigation..
Also, also if it was that popular to do for 10k, and excepted, why didn't Robbie do th same the other day..? Cos liek Cav he probably did it for as long, or short as he could do without being booted out and then thought the reasonable thing to was to let go...dunno of course, it's speculation.. it's all speculation
Eh?

Robbie was suffering with an injury, operating at less than his best and with more climbing ahead on the menu, was likely more than happy to step off his bike and live to fight another day. It's not like he's the elite sprinter he used to be with prospects of actually winning one of the few stages left for the sprinters.

 

[Midnightfright]

I am british and a fan of Cav so maybe I am a little biased but I hard to imagine if he was pulled up for 10k that no one would of seen or mentioned it. It appears to me that what is being alluded to actually the common practice of catching rest with the cars and this also why he is reluctant to totally deny the accusations but would be surprised if he took a 10k pull

 

[El Pistolero]

I am british and a fan of Cav so maybe I am a little biased but I hard to imagine if he was pulled up for 10k that no one would of seen or mentioned it. It appears to me that what is being alluded to actually the common practice of catching rest with the cars and this also why he is reluctant to totally deny the accusations but would be surprised if he took a 10k pull

Me thinks all the pure sprinters do it anyway, but Cav's whining about there being so little flat stages is getting annoying. So yeah, he should shut up.

 

[Mambo95]

Me thinks all the pure sprinters do it anyway, but Cav's whining about there being so little flat stages is getting annoying. So yeah, he should shut up.

When has he whined about the stages?