Cav is...

[Road Hazard]

Cavendish can do whatever he wants... either we click the news stories or we don't. We approve by clicking or we don't.

Sure a winning sprinter should be confident and maybe brash. But there's a line over which a person just seems like a cad.

Personally, I think he's gone over that line. But he rides a bike faster than me so.... whatever.

 

[Swingtop]

It's a new tactic, taking out the competition in a massive crash, a few weeks before the Tour. Kudos to Cav.

 

[Archibald]

i like cav, he provides a spectacle


I bet there was a very high proprtion of people that went to see John McEnroe play tennis in the hope he'll get his fiery temper steamed up. It's part of the character. he even hams it up when he plays the odd celebrity match for old times sake

somehow the insight gained from reading both books (McEnroe's "Serious" vs Cav's "Boy Racer") will show that one is a true champion who was prone to having anger management issues, while one is just an arrogant ****.

McEnroe's behaviour never detracted from his matches or his acheivements, nor did it injure other competitors. He was never arrogant towards those around him either in the way that Cav is

 

[Deagol]

....

Personally, I think he's gone over that line. But he rides a bike faster than me so.... whatever.

Call me crazy, but I don’t see that riding a bike faster than anyone else give you the right to be a &*(%$#

 

[flicker]

Call me crazy, but I don’t see that riding a bike faster than anyone else give you the right to be a &*(%$#

He is a PRO SPRINTER. They are nuts. Try it some time!

 

[Deagol]

He is a PRO SPRINTER. They are nuts. Try it some time!

Some of the things I have done in my life (unpaid) may be described as “nuts” as well…..doesn’t change anything.

Petacchi is also a PRO SPRINTER and is generally described as a gentleman.

 

[Mambo95]

somehow the insight gained from reading both books (McEnroe's "Serious" vs Cav's "Boy Racer") will show that one is a true champion who was prone to having anger management issues, while one is just an arrogant ****.

McEnroe's behaviour never detracted from his matches or his acheivements, nor did it injure other competitors. He was never arrogant towards those around him either in the way that Cav is

I remember McEnroe in his pomp and he was far worse than Cavendish. His utter disrespect for authority being most notable, although many thought this was partly gamesmanship to break up an opponent's momentum when they on top. There was arrogance in abundance. People said the same things about him then that they say about Cavendish now. Disgrace! Throw him out of the Tournament! Ban him!

When he was gone the same people complained that there were no characters in tennis and wished he was still around and now fawn over him.

My mother used to hate him, so I thought he was great.

 

[Dewulf]

There has been many a "kid" that has come under the bright lights of fame and the pressure that comes with it and still maintained a bit of class and respect. Why we should overlook behaviour that seems to be the norm for this character and not an aberration is beyond me.

+1

When young people make it big in whatever field (entertainment is the classic one of course), they face a challenge to not be changed negatively in one way or another. Some stay grounded which is great, and others not, and what you typically see there is self-destructive behaviour. That kid-star then typically becomes tabloid fodder, which i think is a bit tough, and not always conducive to them getting back to reality. I'd hate to be the parent of a Britney Spears or an Edward Furlong.

But Cav takes it beyond damaging just his own rep (tho that alone would easily justify the title thread ) He's actually raised the stakes to include impacting others. He doesn't seem to miss a chance to slag someone off, and cutting into riders' lines has obvious effects.

Being cocky and "full of confidence" are common characteristics of those who take the world stage with a view to succeeding above others, but I'll always draw the line at arrogance, let alone someone who's also *****ing about others when their own house isn't clean. And physically impacting others is just a whole new level we shouldn't expect to see from someone in the PRO field who is this "talented". Like TFF, I think Farrar is a pretty good example of how it can be done, and I'd guess he's got a much better chance at the Green this year.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

More comedy gold from the Mouth re. last year's Green jersey

"I should have won it [last year] but I got robbed because of a race motorbike - I'm not saying which - helping a rider get away. Without that happening, I'd have got seven stage wins."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-could-be-turning-point-for-cavendish

It will be a sad day when they finally get a PR guru for this guy

 

[Highlander]

I was a little surprised when I read that same quote. Does anyone know who he was referring to that was helped by the motorbike? If anything, I just assumed that he would bring up the relegation again as the reason that he lost the jersey.

 

[San Carlo]

I was a little surprised when I read that same quote. Does anyone know who he was referring to that was helped by the motorbike? If anything, I just assumed that he would bring up the relegation again as the reason that he lost the jersey.

I think he was referring to stage 5. Voeckler won that stage from a breakaway, 7 seconds in front of Ignatiev and Cavendish.

It will not give him to many French fans, saying something like that about the French champion two days before the Tour.

 

[Pharazon]

I think he was referring to stage 5. Voeckler won that stage from a breakaway, 7 seconds in front of Ignatiev and Cavendish.

It will not give him to many French fans, saying something like that about the French champion two days before the Tour.

if that's what he's referring to though, i agree with him..

i thought that at the time that Voeckler was pretty much attached to a motorbikes wheels or about a km

 

[WC Roadie]

+1
But Cav takes it beyond damaging just his own rep (tho that alone would easily justify the title thread ) He's actually raised the stakes to include impacting others. He doesn't seem to miss a chance to slag someone off, and cutting into riders' lines has obvious effects.

People say Cav is dangerous and cuts people off or crashes them out to win, can you list some examples where he slagged someone off? Cut off rider's lines to win the races he won? When has he caused crashed except for The Tour de Suisse which wasn't entirely his fault, Haussler played a part in that crash as well.

He does run his mouth a bit, in the latest article on CN, he admitted he took his success last year for granted so perhaps he's maturing a bit, he's young and cocky, yeah but the guy wins races and he wins clean.

 

[pkreed71]

I used to be a Cavendish fan. It was exciting to watch the High Road/Columbia train charge to the finish line and watch him destroy the competition by a length or more.

Then he turns around last year and acts like a whiny 8 year-old with a bad haircut. It amazing how he criticized Voeckler for using the motorcycle to his advantage yet doesn't mention what he did to get penalized on the 14th Stage?

Manx Missile? More like Manx Crybaby.

 

[Hawkwood]

I used to be a Cavendish fan. It was exciting to watch the High Road/Columbia train charge to the finish line and watch him destroy the competition by a length or more.

Then he turns around last year and acts like a whiny 8 year-old with a bad haircut. It amazing how he criticized Voeckler for using the motorcycle to his advantage yet doesn't mention what he did to get penalized on the 14th Stage?

Manx Missile? More like Manx Crybaby.

I thought the penalty arose from this:

`In the main pack, it left Team Columbia in a pickle. They couldn’t sprint out too much to position to Cavendish for the pack sprint, which would eat into Hincapie’s efforts, and they couldn’t just let Cervelo Test Team riders push Hushovd to the front unanswered. What do to, what to do… well, smartly, they got to the front and effectively blocked a real sprint. Mark Renshaw led out Cavendish against the left barrier, with Hushovd blocked behind while other Columbia riders spread across the road as a net. It worked remarkably well, but in the end the peloton came in just 5 seconds faster than Hincapie would have liked, putting him in 2nd overall while Nocentini kept the Yellow Jersey for another day.'

From http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/07/18/2009-tour-de-france-stage-14-hincapie-goes-big/

Okay so this is just one account, but other accounts I've read state that the sprint went wrong for Cavendish because he was specifically trying to slow things up to give Hincapie the jersey.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

People say Cav is dangerous and cuts people off or crashes them out to win, can you list some examples where he slagged someone off? Cut off rider's lines to win the races he won? When has he caused crashed except for The Tour de Suisse which wasn't entirely his fault, Haussler played a part in that crash as well.

He does run his mouth a bit, in the latest article on CN, he admitted he took his success last year for granted so perhaps he's maturing a bit, he's young and cocky, yeah but the guy wins races and he wins clean.

Who actually said that?
In fact you snipped in to this post - and quoted the highlighted...

+1

When young people make it big in whatever field (entertainment is the classic one of course), they face a challenge to not be changed negatively in one way or another. Some stay grounded which is great, and others not, and what you typically see there is self-destructive behaviour. That kid-star then typically becomes tabloid fodder, which i think is a bit tough, and not always conducive to them getting back to reality. I'd hate to be the parent of a Britney Spears or an Edward Furlong.

But Cav takes it beyond damaging just his own rep (tho that alone would easily justify the title thread ) He's actually raised the stakes to include impacting others. He doesn't seem to miss a chance to slag someone off, and cutting into riders' lines has obvious effects.

Being cocky and "full of confidence" are common characteristics of those who take the world stage with a view to succeeding above others, but I'll always draw the line at arrogance, let alone someone who's also *****ing about others when their own house isn't clean. And physically impacting others is just a whole new level we shouldn't expect to see from someone in the PRO field who is this "talented". Like TFF, I think Farrar is a pretty good example of how it can be done, and I'd guess he's got a much better chance at the Green this year.

...... hard for 'Dewulf' to debate a point he never made.

And again - Haussler did nothing wrong in the sprint, it was entirely Cav's fault and although it was not malicious he should have accepted responsibility and apologised.

 

[WC Roadie]

+1

When young people make it big in whatever field (entertainment is the classic one of course), they face a challenge to not be changed negatively in one way or another. Some stay grounded which is great, and others not, and what you typically see there is self-destructive behaviour. That kid-star then typically becomes tabloid fodder, which i think is a bit tough, and not always conducive to them getting back to reality. I'd hate to be the parent of a Britney Spears or an Edward Furlong.

But Cav takes it beyond damaging just his own rep (tho that alone would easily justify the title thread ) He's actually raised the stakes to include impacting others. He doesn't seem to miss a chance to slag someone off, and cutting into riders' lines has obvious effects.

Being cocky and "full of confidence" are common characteristics of those who take the world stage with a view to succeeding above others, but I'll always draw the line at arrogance, let alone someone who's also *****ing about others when their own house isn't clean. And physically impacting others is just a whole new level we shouldn't expect to see from someone in the PRO field who is this "talented". Like TFF, I think Farrar is a pretty good example of how it can be done, and I'd guess he's got a much better chance at the Green this year.

Who actually said that?
In fact you snipped in to this post - and quoted the highlighted...



...... hard for 'Dewulf' to debate a point he never made.

And again - Haussler did nothing wrong in the sprint, it was entirely Cav's fault and although it was not malicious he should have accepted responsibility and apologised.

Yeah I snipped it and highlighted the point I was responding to, given the whole quote, how does that change Dewulf saying Cav slags people off and cuts into riders? That is what I was responding to.

I am not a Cavendish fanboy, I just haven't seen/heard/read about people complaining about him being a dirty racer, except stage 14 last year and the recent crash at the T d Suisse. Which IMO Haussler was doing the same thing as Cav, both had head down, both were coming around Ciolek. I agree once penalized Cav should have just apologized and moved on.

As for Stage 14 of the TdF, watch this - http://www.steephill.tv/players/tinypic/?title=tdf-09-st14-cavendish-finish&id=33c11z5 Cav rides straight, the barriers curve to the left and squeezes Hushovd, Cav is in front, he holds his line and rides straight.

He may be an idiot for what he says, I just don't see it for how he rides.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yeah I snipped it and highlighted the point I was responding to, given the whole quote, how does that change Dewulf saying Cav slags people off and cuts into riders? That is what I was responding to.

I am not a Cavendish fanboy, I just haven't seen/heard/read about people complaining about him being a dirty racer, except stage 14 last year and the recent crash at the T d Suisse. Which IMO Haussler was doing the same thing as Cav, both had head down, both were coming around Ciolek. I agree once penalized Cav should have just apologized and moved on.

As for Stage 14 of the TdF, watch this - http://www.steephill.tv/players/tinypic/?title=tdf-09-st14-cavendish-finish&id=33c11z5 Cav rides straight, the barriers curve to the left and squeezes Hushovd, Cav is in front, he holds his line and rides straight.

He may be an idiot for what he says, I just don't see it for how he rides.

No, it doesn't' change what 'dewulf' said -I was pointing out what you asked 'Dewulf'..... again this is all 'dewulf' said:

He's actually raised the stakes to include impacting others. He doesn't seem to miss a chance to slag someone off, and cutting into riders' lines has obvious effects.

... pretty obvious that 'dewulf' was talking about TdS - so I cannot see where you get the following reply ..

People say Cav is dangerous and cuts people off or crashes them out to win, can you list some examples where he slagged someone off? Cut off rider's lines to win the races he won? When has he caused crashed except for The Tour de Suisse which wasn't entirely his fault, Haussler played a part in that crash as well.

As for Haussler v Cav - yes both came around Ciolek, HH off GC wheel Cav from the side, which rider ended up in front of GC when they passed (and forced him to stop pedaling) - the same rider given penalties by the Comm's.

 

[WC Roadie]

^^^ OK I'll give you the Haussler incident, so 1 time makes him an idiot or dangerous racer?

 

[Angliru]

^^^ OK I'll give you the Haussler incident, so 1 time makes him an idiot or dangerous racer?

He's being lambasted because of his always putting his foot in his mouth, not apologizing for his reckless riding at Tour de Suisse and for not recognizing the severity of his actions as they relate to his fellow riders/competitors.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

^^^ OK I'll give you the Haussler incident, so 1 time makes him an idiot or dangerous racer?

Thats all I am saying - the original post by 'dewulf' did not mention 'numerous times' or that Cav a "dangerous racer" - this was something you brought in to the post that no-one said.

Cav is a pretty smart & focussed guy - but it is Cav's mouth that makes him an idiot on occassion.

 

[LugHugger]

I used to be a Cavendish fan. It was exciting to watch the High Road/Columbia train charge to the finish line and watch him destroy the competition by a length or more.

Then he turns around last year and acts like a whiny 8 year-old with a bad haircut. It amazing how he criticized Voeckler for using the motorcycle to his advantage yet doesn't mention what he did to get penalized on the 14th Stage?

Manx Missile? More like Manx Crybaby.

that's because 8/10 cats think that he did nothing wrong on stage 14

 

[WC Roadie]

Thats all I am saying - the original post by 'dewulf' did not mention 'numerous times' or that Cav a "dangerous racer" - this was something you brought in to the post that no-one said.

Cav is a pretty smart & focussed guy - but it is Cav's mouth that makes him an idiot on occassion.

Ah... I see the problem. Being from the US of A and not knowing what to "slag someone off" meant, I ASSumed slag meant to hook, squeeze, cut off, chop, etc. not to insult. Then Dewulf said he raised it to another level meaning crashing HH in the T d Suisse.

I stand corrected, you are right, so is Dewulf for saying Cav is an idiot for running his mouth.

Im gonna have to start using the slag term now, people will be thoroughly confused over here.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ah... I see the problem. Being from the US of A and not knowing what to "slag someone off" meant, I ASSumed slag meant to hook, squeeze, cut off, chop, etc. not to insult. Then Dewulf said he raised it to another level meaning crashing HH in the T d Suisse.

I stand corrected, you are right, so is Dewulf for saying Cav is an idiot for running his mouth.

Im gonna have to start using the slag term now, people will be thoroughly confused over here.

Ah.....

I reread that part and would never have noticed in a million years that it could be interpreted any other way....

Thats pretty funny.....

 

[The Hitch]

Just saw an interview with cav about his crash in tds. He blames the wind, the fact that it was a hilly stage (because it meant people who arent usually sprinters were there) ciolek and haussler, but not himself for the crash