Cavendish angry

[BroDeal]

You need to go back and read my post - it has nothing to do with "a team willing to ride for him" as other riders in his team are professionals - and Cav winning ensures a good pay packet at the end of the year.

But 'teammates' do not hire people - DS's or General Managers do, with the input of the sponsors.
Brailsford is very media savvy - and has built a team that exudes professionalism and corporate speak - it is not the 'fit' for an outspoken and foulmouthed person like Cav.

Also factor in Brailsford in an interview saying that some riders would not be suited for the Team Sky environment and approach.

 

[Archibald]

but his team-mates (barring a certain German) seem to like him and be willing to ride for him, so he's obviously doing something right.

Hahaha!! you mean the guys who are paid to ride for him...
I don't believe "like" comes into it

 

[Barrus]

Also factor in Brailsford in an interview saying that some riders would not be suited for the Team Sky environment and approach.

That's exactly what I meant andit seems like other managers are reitarating that and I think this will become a major influence in the future for the building and maintaining of a team

 

[Faserr]

He has now apologised.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-apologises-for-rude-salute

Susan

"I want to publicly apologise for the gesture I made on the finish line of the Tour de Romandie yesterday. I did want to make a statement to my critics, but I realise that making a rude gestures on the finish line is not the best way to do that,” Cavendish said in a statement issued Friday afternoon.

“I apologise to everybody watching the race and especially the kids. I am not proud of releasing the feelings in that way. I hope I can redeem myself and show my feelings and passion for cycling with some exciting results in the next couple of months rather than with gesture such as the one yesterday."


I think he got that statement on paper from Stapleton I don't know what the management did with Cavendish but they must have been pretty angry. Normally his ego wouldn't allow him to apologise in that way.

I think he isn't very self confident at the moment, because he is overracting to all kinds of thinks: journalists, greipel, fans, internet forums. He just can't stop.

 

[Steel4Ever]

He has now apologised.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-apologises-for-rude-salute

Mmmm....my bet? His TEAM TOLD him he was going to apologize and wrote that statement for him to read! He is still just an employee after all...

 

[Animal]

Duh!

He's an angry young man. This often works as motivation. It seemed to for Armstrong (all things being pharmaceutically equal among his peers)

 

[Tangled Tango]

Duh!

He's an angry young man. This often works as motivation. It seemed to for Armstrong (all things being pharmaceutically equal among his peers)

He seems to be more of a brat than anything else. I wouldn´t be surprised if Hincapie´s reason for leaving was being tired of leading the brat to the finish line. I love classy sprinters, but Cav ain´t one of them.

 

[mr. tibbs]

"I want to publicly apologise for the gesture I made on the finish line of the Tour de Romandie yesterday. I did want to make a statement to my critics, but I realise that making a rude gestures on the finish line is not the best way to do that,” Cavendish said in a statement issued Friday afternoon.

“I apologise to everybody watching the race and especially the kids. I am not proud of releasing the feelings in that way. I hope I can redeem myself and show my feelings and passion for cycling with some exciting results in the next couple of months rather than with gesture such as the one yesterday."


I think he got that statement on paper from Stapleton I don't know what the management did with Cavendish but they must have been pretty angry. Normally his ego wouldn't allow him to apologise in that way.

I think he isn't very self confident at the moment, because he is overracting to all kinds of thinks: journalists, greipel, fans, internet forums. He just can't stop.

This is a big problem with guys like Cav: they seem to feel that, regardless of how unacceptably they comport themselves, they can somehow be "redeemed" by winning races.

I remember when Bettini refused to sign that quaint, meaningless charter denouncing doping before the world championship and the organizers weren't going to let him ride. Eventually, he did ride. And he won, crossing the finish line while pretending to fire a rifle. The consesus was that that shot was directed at the race organziers b/c they weren't going to let him ride b/c he wouldn't make a symbolic gesture against doping.

The media fawned all over him, noting that his winning the race and miming assassination was somehow an acceptable answer/substitute to the fact that he refused to make a public statement against doping. I think he should have crossed the finish line thanking the organizers for letting him participate in their historical event, even though he didn't meet their requirements to do so. Instead, he chose to see it as Paolo Bettini in the world championships.

And now we have Cavendish, whose critics mostly denounce him for being a brash jerk, winning a race and, while doing so, re-affirming the fact that he is a brash jerk--and yet CN's headline is "Cavendish is Back! HTC-Columbia sprinter replies to his critics on the line."

I know he has taken some flak for being over-weight and uncompetitive this year, but I think he simply re-affirmed the real critcism, which I see as: he is insecure, obnoxious, and disrespectful of the sport, fans, and even his own teammates. (Read: childish. I like the Boy Racer nickname a few posters have been using.)

I'll take a humble, gracious champion any day, thanks very much.

 

[avantage]

I can't believe I was cheering him to catch Haussler last year in San Remo.
What a *** he has became afterwards.

And I have to watch this idiot for at least 10 more years...

I hope Greipel can beat him somehow. Anybody but him.

I admit he's f***** good, but you don't have to be an ashole at the same time.
Cipo was a bit similar in some respects, still I loved him.

I'll avoid buying anything from HTC or Columbia, that's for sure.

 

[kurtinsc]

Hahaha!! you mean the guys who are paid to ride for him...
I don't believe "like" comes into it

I believe they probably do like him... I haven't heard many teammates (aside from Greipel) putting him down.

You have to understand that a some guys who are outwardly jerks are actually very good in the "locker room" (what would that be in cycling... the "team bus"?)

Ron Artest would be an example of this in Basketball. He's a complete jerk on the court, a trash talker and abrasive when talking to the media. He has destroyed TV cameras, climbed into the stands and gotten into fights with fans, and been a complete diva.

But his teammates on his various teams seem to like him quite a bit. He even volunteered to donate his salary to the team in Sacramento to retain Bonzi Wells as a teammate and his head coach.


Of course others simply are complete jerks to everyone... such as Barry Bonds in baseball.


I'm not sure which of those is what Cav is at this point.

 

[janus1969]

I'll take a humble, gracious champion any day, thanks very much.

Without the aid of revisionist history, could you possibly name one? I don't mean someone who won a few big races, but a real champion. I'm honestly trying to recall the last time we, as a society, honored and respected such a person...the two I can come up with in modernity are Oscar Freire and Fabian Cancellara.

 

[L'arriviste]

Without the aid of revisionist history, could you possibly name one? I don't mean someone who won a few big races, but a real champion. I'm honestly trying to recall the last time we, as a society, honored and respected such a person...the two I can come up with in modernity are Oscar Freire and Fabian Cancellara.

Not sure how far back 'modernity' extends. Probably you mean guys now and you're right there. A paucity of nice guys.

Going back a very little amount of time, when he wanted to be (and that was usually the right moment), Cipo was a prince. He was always breaking rules and laughing at officialdom, but he was humble and respectful to riders, teams and fans alike

 

[mr. tibbs]

Without the aid of revisionist history, could you possibly name one? I don't mean someone who won a few big races, but a real champion. I'm honestly trying to recall the last time we, as a society, honored and respected such a person...the two I can come up with in modernity are Oscar Freire and Fabian Cancellara.

Those two are good examples, and I might add Ullrich. As far as I can tell, Ullrich never had anything but praise and kind words for his competitors and the sport.

Haussler might represent the younger guys. When he does well in a race, his reaction usually gives the impression that he is just happy and amazed at his good fortune to be a part of it all. Watching him cry as he crossed the line on stage 13 was one of my favorite cycling moments of 2009. That's a guy who respects what he is a part of.

 

[Mambo95]

Going back a very little amount of time, when he wanted to be (and that was usually the right moment), Cipo was a prince. He was always breaking rules and laughing at officialdom, but he was humble and respectful to riders, teams and fans alike

So you're willing to overlook Cipo being thrown off the 2000 Vuelta for punching Cerezo?

 

[El Oso]

I think he got that statement on paper from Stapleton

Of course, there's not a single "f_ck" or "$h!t" in it

 

[Jamsque]

I actually laughed at Jamsque's comment.

No disrespect to Jamsque, but while don't see anyone here ever getting annoyed at Cavendish for winning (only for his personality and outbursts), Jamsque and a couple of other british posters seem to get massively annoyed whenever Greipel wins anything.

What? I don't get annoyed when 'Greipel' wins, I've got nothing against him. All I've really said about his victories is that they are putting more pressure on Cav to perform.

As for the accusations of 'jingoism', well, it's sport, isn't it? All sports fandom is illogical. You like who you like because you like them, there's no logic or reason behind it. I like Cav because he's fast, he's British, and he drives people crazy. None of those are good reasons for liking a person, but they are perfectly valid reasons to be a fan of a sportsman. Of course I'm going to argue his side when he does things that annoy people, because it's sport, and I'm a fan of his, and that's how being a sports fan works. My support for him is no less valid because I come from the same country as him, any more than my support for, say, Jens! is made more valid because I'm not from the same country as him.

 

[Faserr]

What? I don't get annoyed when 'Greipel' wins, I've got nothing against him. All I've really said about his victories is that they are putting more pressure on Cav to perform.

I like Cav because he's fast, he's British, and he drives people crazy. None of those are good reasons for liking a person, but they are perfectly valid reasons to be a fan of a sportsman. .

I agree. I would like to see Cav winning if he was German rider, but his attitude would get on my nervers more on more

I just read the interview in the new "Pro Cycling":
"He [Greipel] says it would be better [if Cav goes to Sky], but it would be worse because if he is on another team he would have to sprint against me, and then he would loose. "Greipels market value is at Team HTC higher, then it would be on another team. In the moment Mark Renshaw has a bigger market value. He should have won all sprints in Australia, because he had a sprint train, but he "lost" it".

In February he told ProCycling in a private conversation:
"The first part of the season is lost. The team thinks, that I can do something at Milan San Remo, but I think I can't do it"

Pro Cycling Mai 2010

 

[Angliru]

Without the aid of revisionist history, could you possibly name one? I don't mean someone who won a few big races, but a real champion. I'm honestly trying to recall the last time we, as a society, honored and respected such a person...the two I can come up with in modernity are Oscar Freire and Fabian Cancellara.

Miguel Indurain for one.

 

[ChrisE]

He seems to be more of a brat than anything else. I wouldn´t be surprised if Hincapie´s reason for leaving was being tired of leading the brat to the finish line. I love classy sprinters, but Cav ain´t one of them.

Agreed, he's a little cockly douche bag. Can't believe somebody hasn't taken him aside and beat his a$$ yet. I would get a big kick if somebody flicked him into some road furniture.

 

[Jamsque]

Are we now seriously at the point where people are wishing serious crashes on the guy for making a rude gesture?

 

[Roland Rat]

According to Pro Cycling Mag's twitter, he's been withdrawn due to yesterday's shenanigans!!!!

 

[kurtinsc]

According to Pro Cycling Mag's twitter, he's been withdrawn due to yesterday's shenanigans!!!!

Did the race make him leave or did his team take him out?

Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me.

 

[ChrisE]

Are we now seriously at the point where people are wishing serious crashes on the guy for making a rude gesture?

It's an accumulation of his being an a$$hat on a consistent basis. This is not an isolated incident.

He's an arrogant ***. I think it is ok to wish crashes upon somebody like that. I say "wish", because I'm not a religious person. Maybe I can dial up the flying spaghetti monster on this one. YMMV.

 

[Faserr]

Did the race make him leave or did his team take him out?

Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me.

So he can't win the next two mountain stages

The question is if the team or the sponsor pulled im out.

 

[Kazistuta]

The "penalty" to Cavendish is purely for show.... What's the use of him being there for the two remaining mountain stages (besides the obvious: Getting some much needed climbing training).

Don't really care, if the signal should've been stronger, they'd pulled him before todays time trial, which they didn't.... Next up on "Days of our lives" is???