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[karlboss]

if only they could go head to head I wouldn't mind this at all.

 

[issoisso]

So, in your mind, Cav is doing the ToC and Greipel is doing the Giro because of something Greipel said and not because the American sponsors want their best riders racing the biggest races in their market?

Interesting...







...and ridiculous, given that Cavendish seemed to realize it was a sponsor related decision.

"Team manager Bob Stapleton recently announced that Cavendish will ride the Tour of California in May, while Greipel will ride the Giro d'Italia. Cavendish stated last week that he would have preferred to ride at the Giro, but accepted that sponsors interests were more important."

Not to mention it's from every angle the best decision: the biggest name goes to the small race to appease the sponsors and likely gets some wins and morale that he's been needing while the guy in best form races by far the biggest race.

 

[ferryman]

You're saying you know he's changed because he happens to have got a new girlfriend, the circumstances of which you know absolutely nothing about, and because he said the type of thing they all say in private about each other in an interview?

I dislike you more for this ridiculous mentality than either Greipel or Cav.

Indeed, I don't even dislike Greipel. There is no pro rider that I dislike. I think he's a great sprinter and I'd love to see him up against Cav. It's the match up everyone wants to see right now. But in a situation where the two biggest sprinters in the world right now are in the same team, this type of event is bound to happen. Cav obviously really wanted to go to the Giro and Greipel has taken that away from him, and now he wants to move in on the big classics. It's no wonder Cav is resentful.

You have been making some points with your posts but in a quaint and naive fashion. Others just plain stupid and prevocative. Is that your goal? Can I ask a couple of questions? Is English your first language and if it is what age are you? School tomorrow?

 

[Machine]

So, in your mind, Cav is doing the ToC and Greipel is doing the Giro because of something Greipel said and not because the American sponsors want their best riders racing the biggest races in their market? Interesting...

The only problem with that statement is that I did not say it. You made it up.

 

[Machine]

You have been making some points with your posts but in a quaint and naive fashion. Others just plain stupid and prevocative. Is that your goal? Can I ask a couple of questions? Is English your first language and if it is what age are you? School tomorrow?

Can't think of a point to make?

 

[Machine]

Not to mention it's from every angle the best decision: the biggest name goes to the small race to appease the sponsors and likely gets some wins and morale that he's been needing while the guy in best form races by far the biggest race.

Cav obviously would have much prefered the Giro. Given that Greipel also wants to move in on the classics, sparks were always likely to fly.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

That is an interesting point.

If Cav was banned from speaking and yet returned to speak using 30 different usernames then I would have to query his motivations and his sanity.

sorry. i think i may have been the first to feed it. i am not as good at recognizing it as bro, hugh and others.

what i don't get is why he didn't just use a puppet to reply to his own post. i thought that was a new mo of his. or is this just lazy trolling?

 

[ferryman]

Thank you for the confirmation of all the points I made. See you in a different nom de..

 

[High Cotton]

The only problem with that statement is that I did not say it. You made it up.

Sure you did. You said that it was Greipel that took going to the Giro away from Cavendish.

It clearly had nothing to do with Greipel, and the quote provided in my last post proves that Cavendish knew this prior to his childish outburst.

Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully if when repeated to you, they are unfamiliar.

 

[BikeCentric]

troll babble

Hey look at that, someone mentions "douchebags" and right on cue BPC/Arbiter comes back to the forum.

 

[Machine]

Sure you did. You said that it was Greipel that took going to the Giro away from Cavendish.

It clearly had nothing to do with Greipel, and the quote provided in my last post proves that Cavendish knew this prior to his childish outburst.

Perhaps you should consider your words more carefully if when repeated to you, they are unfamiliar.

No. You claimed I had said Greipel was doing the Giro because of something he said. I never said this.

However, because he's been in good form and chopping at the bit, this doubtless made him a good choice for the team who will want to keep him happy if he is to remain at Columbia. Stating the obvious really.

 

[Machine]

Hey look at that, someone mentions "douchebags" and right on cue BPC/Arbiter comes back to the forum.

You're the doping apologist from the clinic. Just been reading that thread.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

It would be one thing if he was talking trash about a competitor on another team, but this is using the media to belittle his own teammate. And refusing to be in the same race with a guy hurts his livelihood and the future of his career. It also pretty much assures the guy won't be able to call him out face to face.

Say what you want about brash and cocky sprinters, but Cav has changed. I remember reading a long article about him last year, when he came off as all down to Earth, want to stay and train on the Isle of Man, with his girlfriend and the house and stuff. The next thing I knew, he was dating Miss Italy or whatever, and complaining in the press about the races his boss wants him to ride? And how do you think the sponsors feel hearing in the press he doesn't want to ride the race that will get them the best exposure? He also insulted the races that are non pro tour events, and the riders who were there at the finish of MSR 2009.

And this is the response to a teammate who has some results on the year wishing that he had been able to ride the classic? And it wasn't an in the heat of battle thing either. How would he react if someone actually wronged him? I've lost a lot of respect for the guy. I can watch him sprint, but I don't have to listen to what he has to say again.

this is a great breakdown of why what cavendish did today was not good.

maybe this is a european thing. obviously i follow a lot of american sports too. in the US, these types of outbursts are more than frowned upon. terrell owens is a good example of how US athletes are treated when they just spout their negative opinions about stuff. cav would be fined for tarnishing the sport in such a way.

in cycling, athletes and directors can say a lot of stuff with impunity that would never fly here. look at wiggins, rasmussen, lefevre. in the past few weeks i have noticed a bunch of comments that made me think, hmmm, can he really say that?

are euro athletes in other sports allowed to say whatever they want?

 

[BikeCentric]

this is a great breakdown of why what cavendish did today was not good.

maybe this is a european thing. obviously i follow a lot of american sports too. in the US, these types of outbursts are more than frowned upon. terrell owens is a good example of how US athletes are treated when they just spout their negative opinions about stuff. cav would be fined for tarnishing the sport in such a way.

in cycling, athletes and directors can say a lot of stuff with impunity that would never fly here. look at wiggins, rasmussen, lefevre. in the past few weeks i have noticed a bunch of comments that made me think, hmmm, can he really say that?

are euro athletes in other sports allowed to say whatever they want?

It's just cycling really. Cycling has a really weak governing body and has a far more stratified power structure than NFL/NHL/NBA etc. so this sort of crazy trash-talking is far more common in the crazy fun soap opera that is pro cycling.

 

[ferryman]

No they are not. If I said that about a fellow worker or about the smaller (sorry sh**t projects) I have to work on I would be up before HR and on discipline (sp)before you knew it. And I'm sure the smaller projects would not be happy either for calling them out as such.

The guy is a *it.

 

[Machine]

this is a great breakdown of why what cavendish did today was not good.

No it was terrible. He quickly revealed that his opinion was based on Cav getting a new girlfriend and not being the same as in some puff piece he read a year ago. It's amazing to me that people can disown someone over this drivel.

And if you're so concerned about ruining athletes earning potential then why do you not speak out against smears and attacks on the internet that are far worse than simply saying I am better than the other guy?

are euro athletes in other sports allowed to say whatever they want?

So much for the land of the free.

No, actually athletes can get fined in some sports if they criticise the referee of bring the game into disrepute by doing something outrageous. But these remarks hardly fall into that category. Read the remarks - he's just claiming he is better than Greipel and not mincing his words about that.

The reason athletes are careful with the words is because they get blown up into the most outrageous thing ever by the media and obsessives on internet forums, therefore they learn how to criticise in diplomatic terms. Cav didn't bother with that on this occasion. Big deal.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

...........

I actually feel very very sorry for Cav at the moment.

Not because of what he said but because he has BPC/Sproket01 (& all your other usernames he had) trying to defend him.... Cav is screwed.

 

[flicker]

I can see a great boxing match coming between C&G.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

No it was terrible. He quickly revealed that his opinion was based on Cav getting a new girlfriend and not being the same as in some puff piece he read a year ago. It's amazing to me that people can disown someone over this drivel.

And if you're so concerned about ruining athletes earning potential then why do you not speak out against smears and attacks on the internet that are far worse than simply saying I am better than the other guy?



So much for the land of the free.

No, actually athletes can get fined in some sports if they criticise the referee of bring the game into disrepute by doing something outrageous. But these remarks hardly fall into that category. Read the remarks - he's just claiming he is better than Greipel and not mincing his words about that.

The reason athletes are careful with the words is because they get blown up into the most outrageous thing ever by the media and obsessives on internet forums, therefore they learn how to criticise in diplomatic terms. Cav didn't bother with that on this occasion. Big deal.

that's right, machine. it's a free speech issue. comparing cav's pre-pubescent comments to those of revolutionaries and martyrs who have fought and died for our basic freedoms is not unreasonable at all.

anyone care to teach me how this ignore button thingy works? i can't find it, oh, but i will.

 

[blaxland]

If Team GB can put a decent train together then Cav will have a great shot at winning it, and if he gets beaten it won't be by Greipel.

Neither Greiple nor Cavendish will be there at the finish....as stated before someone lick Gerrans or LL Sanchez maybe???

 

[Krap Police]

MC = one big childish whiner. And, heez full O krap.

 

[2oldnslow]

I hardly ever bother posting on here as quite frankly most of the posts are drivel but dear God (and if I may be permitted an anglo-saxon riposte) what a bunch of tossers.

Do you guys have lives ? For my sins I work in the middle east where, it has to be said life is in many respects a little dull yet even I can't find it in me to get so excited about the probably tongue in cheek mouthings of a cyclist.

I love cycling, the sport, racing and just being out on my bike yes even here.

So much hate and without wishing to be accused of defending the boy Mark (I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself) largely based on a misunderstanding of an english colloquialism.

I mean if I said as I once did long long ago in a casino in Las Vegas "I could murder a ***" would you assume I wanted to go out and kill someone or just that I was gasping (oops there I go again) that I was very much in need of a cigarette.

Do please lighten up it's an internet forum for goodness sake or are the more rabid posters (no names no pack drill ((bummer did it again)) so inconsequential in their real lives they feel the need to (metaphorically) throw their weight around on here.

Oh and by the way despite being a Brit I hate tea and my teeth are perfectly straight.

Play nice now children.

 

[Ferminal]

I hardly ever bother posting on here as quite frankly most of the posts are drivel but dear God (and if I may be permitted an anglo-saxon riposte) what a bunch of tossers.

Do you guys have lives ? For my sins I work in the middle east where, it has to be said life is in many respects a little dull yet even I can't find it in me to get so excited about the probably tongue in cheek mouthings of a cyclist.

I love cycling, the sport, racing and just being out on my bike yes even here.

So much hate and without wishing to be accused of defending the boy Mark (I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself) largely based on a misunderstanding of an english colloquialism.

I mean if I said as I once did long long ago in a casino in Las Vegas "I could murder a ***" would you assume I wanted to go out and kill someone or just that I was gasping (oops there I go again) that I was very much in need of a cigarette.

Do please lighten up it's an internet forum for goodness sake or are the more rabid posters (no names no pack drill ((bummer did it again)) so inconsequential in their real lives they feel the need to (metaphorically) throw their weight around on here.

Oh and by the way despite being a Brit I hate tea and my teeth are perfectly straight.

Play nice now children.

Thanks for the positive contribution, hypocrite.

 

[Oldman]

I hardly ever bother posting on here as quite frankly most of the posts are drivel but dear God (and if I may be permitted an anglo-saxon riposte) what a bunch of tossers.

Do you guys have lives ? For my sins I work in the middle east where, it has to be said life is in many respects a little dull yet even I can't find it in me to get so excited about the probably tongue in cheek mouthings of a cyclist.

I love cycling, the sport, racing and just being out on my bike yes even here.

So much hate and without wishing to be accused of defending the boy Mark (I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself) largely based on a misunderstanding of an english colloquialism.

I mean if I said as I once did long long ago in a casino in Las Vegas "I could murder a ***" would you assume I wanted to go out and kill someone or just that I was gasping (oops there I go again) that I was very much in need of a cigarette.

Do please lighten up it's an internet forum for goodness sake or are the more rabid posters (no names no pack drill ((bummer did it again)) so inconsequential in their real lives they feel the need to (metaphorically) throw their weight around on here.

Oh and by the way despite being a Brit I hate tea and my teeth are perfectly straight.

Play nice now children.

What the f@#k are you all going on about? Like several folks have said if you want to work in a happy environment don't trash your co-workers. There is no defense for doing it because it is Stoopid. Stoopid. STOOPID. Debating the intent and nuances of cyclists is pointless. They are not great thinkers to start with and sprinters to boot. That's why they are sprinters.

 

[53 x 11]

Me go fast and no think, that why me sprinter.