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"Cavendish blasts Riccò"

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buckwheat said:
Because everyone knows Lance is King Doper and yet they kiss up to power and kick down to Ricco.

This is why Armstrong is the CANCER.

The worst ones in that regard are hypocrites like Wiggins and Lim, and now Cavendish. Gimme a friggen break.

vbut the thread isnt about lance, its about mark and his comments about ricco.. now if they had asked him in what he thought of lance, and he had said in teh same article/interview lance is great then fair enough.. but this was an article about george hincapie, racing, and ricco...

Its not about armstrong..

he certainly doesnt kiss up to lance in that article... why does everything have to be about lance for &&&& sake..
 
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Ah, Ricco, the convenient whipping boy for any rider who wants to look like he's on message about the 'fight against doping'. Meanwhile, Cavendish continues to prepare with Zabel, who sort of admitted to trying EPO for a week or something. Think he cried too. Crocodile tears, just like his pal David Millar.

Fact is Ricco was up front about it and named names - rather a thousand Ricco's who, if taken seriously by the UCI, might actually make a real impact on the doping problem than all the mealy mouthed ex-doper apologists who continue to enforce omerta.
 
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red_flanders said:
I'm just glad there's a rider talking remotely as if they don't like dopers. Sort of "newsy".
Evans has...:) (I sound like a broken record)
Polish said:
In this VeloNews article by Andrew Hood:

Not sure if I agree with Cavendish.

I'm a bit deflicted...part of me (the Bianchi Dealer part) wants to see Ricco kick ****:)

But the fan part of me wishes he would have stayed out of cycling:(

Ricco_202-1.jpg

I agree with cav all the way. Ricco isn't remorseful and Cav's outlandish behaviour and sometimes "over the top" statements are good for the sport.
 

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vbut the thread isnt about lance, its about mark and his comments about ricco.. now if they had asked him in what he thought of lance, and he had said in teh same article/interview lance is great then fair enough.. but this was an article about george hincapie, racing, and ricco...

Its not about armstrong..

he certainly doesnt kiss up to lance in that article... why does everything have to be about lance for &&&& sake..

Helloooooooo!

Because Lance Armstrong is the elephant in the room when it comes to doping in sports.

The same way Indurain referred to himself as "the reference" in cycling applies to Armstrong.

That's why.

Cavendish acts like he's making a statement about doping as if Ricco is the major source of the problem.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?
 
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Are you being intentionally obtuse?

No.. in an article concerning cavendish, and his passing thoughts on ricco (and a whole host of riders have said they same thing about ricco and they dont get dragged through the mangle because of it).. he says ricco is an ****..

His opinion is no less valid, because he didnt in the same sentance say "and so is armstrong, JB, valverde and everyone else and we are all cheats"..

but for some reason everyone around here, sees it as an opportunity to say mark is a hippocrite and a doper, or bring lance into it..

other thing to bear in mind, is the article, is just a snippet of what was said or happened. Mark might have said a lot more, but like most articles they cut it all down into bite sized chunks..

As i said in my original post.. You simply cannot win, if hed said Ricco had done his time and it was good to see him back, hed be slated, he said riccos and **** (and not the first one to say it) and hes slated.. Whats the guy to do..

theres a lot of people round here who say they dont like lance, but seem completely incapable of putting together an intelligent sentance without mentioning him in some way or other...
 
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Back to Ricco, according to O'Grady that Ricco has been doping since he was 15. So that would explain why as an espoir that he failed so many blood tests. Until he came up with a certificate that said his HcT levels were naturally at 51%.

Is Modena and the surrounding areas at high altitude (The Apennies)?
 
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craig1985 said:
Back to Ricco, according to O'Grady that Ricco has been doping since he was 15. So that would explain why as an espoir that he failed so many blood tests. Until he came up with a certificate that said his HcT levels were naturally at 51%.

Is Modena and the surrounding areas at high altitude (The Apennies)?

Ricco's hometown is on the plains. His high Hct was the result of manipulation.

Ricco was disliked when he was racing. It is no surprise that some do not want him back. I expect him to be a two time loser.
 
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Kerbdog said:
He posted "that crap" cos thats how he feels & hes entitled to it & his opinion. No need to turn this into a shoving match in a schoolyard. It is speculation regarding Cav & dope. Do any of us know for sure? No, no we dont. Sure Cav can sprint but hes crap in the mountains so im not calling it one way or the other. He was the best sprinter left at the end of Milan San Remo & had to take it to Haussler as he bolted early so Cav launched after him & it was no surprise he finished that much ahead.
Dont get me wrong im no Cav "fan" either. Hes a big gob on him & he was asked about Ricco ( who also had a big mouth lest we forget) & let loose. Screw Ricco you all saw what he did in 2008 & he deserved everything he got. If that includes the wrath of Cavendish well i wouldnt get to pent up about it. Im sure lots of cyclists have lots to say about each other. When Cavendish fails a test ill call him hypocritical for what he said, until then just frickin relax we all know what goes on. No need to barrage those who might have a contrary opinion to anyone elses. And can we finish with the Trolling excuse if a debate arises FFS ?? If you have an opinion type away folks, on most forums this is welcomed & encouraged. But here it is just trampled on.

again, 'nother syllogism. "cos he's crap in the mtns"

so what, so am I, and all the dope in th world won't make me into a pro, but it will lift my baseline. If you know Cav's baseline is "crap in the mtns" moved to "only crap in the mtns", and not "crapper in the mtns" to merely "crap in the mtns" this argument has no water.
 
craig1985 said:
Back to Ricco, according to O'Grady that Ricco has been doping since he was 15. So that would explain why as an espoir that he failed so many blood tests. Until he came up with a certificate that said his HcT levels were naturally at 51%.

Any links for O'Grady statements or Ricco's failed tests as an espoir?
 
Willy_Voet said:
Any links for O'Grady statements or Ricco's failed tests as an espoir?

On several cycling forums I participate in Italian posters were saying that Ricco was well known for doping as an amateur. They were saying this before he was busted. Evidently, Ricco is not the sharpest tool in the box. When he was younger he would brag to people that he was doping.
 
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Ricco and l'Hotellerie were known to charge from early on... but those riders who have won big, and have illustrious palmares, it aint for them to cast the stones...
 
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Has their been a precedent set for rideres suing doping riders for loss of income? I remember Lotto was considering vs. Astana after the Vino affair but what about rider on rider for example. It may be an addition deterent.
 
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Has their been a precedent set for rideres suing doping riders for loss of income? I remember Lotto was considering vs. Astana after the Vino affair but what about rider on rider for example. It may be an addition deterent.

Not that I am aware of. I have often thought that it is only a matter of time before it happens in the U.S.
 
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Willy_Voet said:
Any links for O'Grady statements or Ricco's failed tests as an espoir?

O'Grady's comments are in the latest issue of Pro Cycling (Febuary 2010) on page 48 in the interview with Ricco. In the next paragraph it mentions how Ricco failed a string of blood tests before he turned pro. Turns out O'Grady's original said his comments during the 2008 Tour, but I did not see them. Not sure if they were printed in other English language media. Maybe O'Grady said it in French.

Ricco failing tests before he turned pro is not unknown news. In fact he was meant to turn pro with Ceramica Panaria-Navigare, but his high HcT levels and failed blood tests were the reason he couldn't turn pro. But if you must ask, here is mention of his troubles before he turned pro. Here.
 
Mellow Velo said:
Yes, Bro has more or less nailed it.
How can a guy who is now a big pal of Armstrong, get all steamed up about a doper returning to the peloton?
Needs to turn down the ego, not allow his hypocrisy to run riot, or he will have zero credibility on the subject.

Ha ha ha ha! That about sums it up.

That, and someone should tell Cav - "you tell 'em Boy Racer!"
 
Mellow Velo said:
Yes, Bro has more or less nailed it.
How can a guy who is now a big pal of Armstrong, get all steamed up about a doper returning to the peloton?
Needs to turn down the ego, not allow his hypocrisy to run riot, or he will have zero credibility on the subject.

Thus the connection that requires mention of HWMNBM in this thread, even though it seems to really bother some people.
 
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BroDeal said:
On several cycling forums I participate in Italian posters were saying that Ricco was well known for doping as an amateur. They were saying this before he was busted. Evidently, Ricco is not the sharpest tool in the box. When he was younger he would brag to people that he was doping.

Used to be if an espoir needed to dope he'd have to buy his way onto a team since his peak performance was pretty much known. Not that the team DS's were concerned about them getting busted...just that their total potential was known.
He wasn't the first Italian to brag about it. Allan Peiper who was reputedly extremely clean related a story where the peloton was buzzing along in a mid stage in the Tour. They were going about 40kph and he was uncomfortably at 150 bpm for several hours. Chiappucci rode along side him laughing and pointed to his heart rate monitor, showing Allan the sub 120 bpm he was cruising on. Anyone else remember that? Chia-pet had the gift for theatric gestures as well.
 
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I Watch Cycling In July said:
Names plural? Who else did he name apart from the doctor?

Figure of speech - but who did Millar name? Or Zabel or any of the other 'contrite' former dopers. What has been their actual contribution to cleaning up the sport?

Manzano just reaffirmed everything he ever said about doping in the sport. But the UCI loves their scapegoats and it doesn't hurt a rider's PR to kick those scapegoats - makes them look 'anti doping' whilst never having to address the real issues. It's all about being seen to do the right thing whilst really doing nothing at all. And whilst riders like Cavendish are never called on the awkward details of who they associate with and asked to really look hard at their attitudes to doping, nothing ever will get done.

This suprious distinction between 'good' and 'bad' dopers has about as much credibility as a CN 'legends' poll :rolleyes:
 
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Thus the connection that requires mention of HWMNBM in this thread, even though it seems to really bother some people.

But does cav know lance s doping, after all, ive never seen him wandering around this forum reading the theories.. :D

See, now im talking about the ****er. :/
 
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craig1985 said:
What Cav had to sign in latest issue of PCM:

"To be honest, when I see him, I think I'll have to fight the urge to get off my bike and hit him."
"You see, he think's everybody is doing it. People look at what I am doing and think that I must be cheating. But cycling's the forefront of anti-doping and that's why I can win."
"The doped guys used to be the ones who would ride away at the end of stages. Now everyone's ****ed after 80km and the one who's least ****ed wins."
"Not only that but in the 2008 Tour, I almost finished outside the time limit because of what he did in the Pyrennes. He nearly killed me. And that's just me being selfish - what about the people who lost their job because of what he did?"


It's on page 50 in a side story in the Ricco interview.

couldnt agree more just because Mark Cavendish is the worlds undisputed fastest sprinter DEFINITELY doesnt mean hes cheating- someone has 2 b the best
 
The following interview from la Gazzetta dello Sport (1-14-10)

Riccò Cavendish said you're a parassite to la Gazzetta.

"How so?"

In the sense that you didn't show remorse for having doped.

"What do you mean I wasn't remorseful? I even collaborated with the authorities, for which my suspension was reduced from 24 to 20 months. In any case, he's at the apogee of his career. He can therefore say what hew wants. I won't respond to him, I'm the last who should say something after what I did...In any case, what he says doesn't interest me. I can only let folks know that I'm training seriously to already be at a high level."

To the British Procycling magazine...he said it will be hard to not get off his bike and give you a thrashing when he sees you.

"Really? Ok, I'll take it. Not only on the bike but also the punches. I'll be quiet. (giggles) But I don't even know him! And he doesn't know me. How can someone say such a thing. He's taken a big shot."

...

How are you living through this period?

"Initially it was difficult...Now I'm more serene and I'm already beginning to take in the scent of the races....What that guy says, what's his name...Cavensdish, doesn't affect me. You silence the critics with your legs, not your mouth....However I've tried to put all those ugly things behind me and to learn the lessons from the experience."

Such as?

"That you can't do stupid things. Life isn't made up of shortcuts, but hard work, sacrifices. I've also got a better head now."

Etc.etc. What is different from other's comments (Basso, for example), is that he doesn't hypocritically try to portray himslef as having found some new moral standing or that he has gained a newly acquired wholesomeness (Millar), which, because also hypocritical, is thoroughly distasteful. He knows how the sport continues to be played. He did no more than what most did. He just got caught. Yet instead of trying to bombard us with the "morality propaganda," he simply says he's preparing himself to be the best upon his return.

And what else should he say? When we hear, from another story, the lies of Valverde, who, until further sanctioned, contines to ride with impunity despite the irrefutable crimes he has commited. I'd like, therefore, to see Cavendish also take a stand on this scandalous case. Naturally he won't, because a slimmy coward. Evidently Valverde has a weight in the sport, which, till now at least, has protected him, whereas the Italian was expendable. I hope Cavandish from now on just shuts up.