"Change Cycling Now"

[hiero2]

Greg's going to run for UCI presidency!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-to-run-for-uci-presidency

Now or never...

Wow. I'm on record as saying I didn't think Lemond would be a good UCI prez. But now I'll go on record as saying he would be a h-e-double-hockey-sticks of a lot better than McQuaid, and if he does, he will get my support. Actually, according to the article, HE IS running for UCI prez! He gets my vote, and my support. This could be a good way to move forward.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Fish hacks aren't people?

Would you rather see a bunch of lawyers leading the movement? Accountants?

Hey Frenchfry How ya been? I just do not like having them so involved. It would be better if it was a couple of different people. Just my 2 cents.

Lawyers ????not unless it was Greymanrod and associate's.

 

[Big Doopie]

fantastic news about lemond.

remember he would have the testing done by a completely independent body.

 

[Carols]

A PDF of the Charter of Willingness is now up on
http://www.changecyclingnow.org/

 

[Aleajactaest]

You've got to be kidding me? So you don't even trust Greg LeMond?! Well who do you trust then?

Get real, this is not a joke. The credibility of your whole sport lies in the balance, these are serious times (although obviously not Gaza or Syria )

I don't trust anyone from the 70-2006. The dopers were playing leapfrog with the testers for the last 40 years.

Additionally, Greg is a blowhard, a crybaby of highest order and in his own way just as much of a bully as Lance. He comes off as needy and angry and is not the guy who can build the needed consensus. Kirmage has a better chance but hauling someone like JV along isn't going to help his case.

 

[Grandillusion]

I don't trust anyone from the 70-2006. The dopers were playing leapfrog with the testers for the last 40 years.

Additionally, Greg is a blowhard, a crybaby of highest order and in his own way just as much of a bully as Lance. He comes off as needy and angry and is not the guy who can build the needed consensus. Kirmage has a better chance but hauling someone like JV along isn't going to help his case.

Well you see a different person than I do.

 

[Race Radio]

I don't trust anyone from the 70-2006. The dopers were playing leapfrog with the testers for the last 40 years.

Additionally, Greg is a blowhard, a crybaby of highest order and in his own way just as much of a bully as Lance. He comes off as needy and angry and is not the guy who can build the needed consensus. Kirmage has a better chance but hauling someone like JV along isn't going to help his case.

Nonsense

Armstrong hired a PR firm to smear Greg. It appears some fell for it.

Greg is not needy, angry, bitter, or any of the other buzz words lance tried to smear him with

 

[Aleajactaest]

Well you see a different person than I do.

Take the Rose Colored glasses off. I can understand how you differ on the drug front but Greg is a whiner of the first order. Even his followers should be able to see that. He whined when Hinault didn't play fair, he whined the first time another american made inroads in european racing. Yes Greg, I get it, you are fantastic. But, blowing your own horn incessantly just looks needy.

 

[Morbius]

From the CCN Charter of the Willing:

The TRC should be empowered to recommend an amnesty to those riders, team staff and administrators who committed or were involved in doping practises provided:
... and
c) the doping practise engaged in was for the sole purpose of seeking sporting achievement.

What is this last condition about? Is the idea that there should be no amnesty for social drug-taking?

 

[Grandillusion]

Take the Rose Colored glasses off. I can understand how you differ on the drug front but Greg is a whiner of the first order. Even his followers should be able to see that. He whined when Hinault didn't play fair, he whined the first time another american made inroads in european racing. Yes Greg, I get it, you are fantastic. But, blowing your own horn incessantly just looks needy.

See Race Radio's post above. As I said, get real man.

 

[Aleajactaest]

Nonsense

Armstrong hired a PR firm to smear Greg. It appears some fell for it.

Greg is not needy, angry, bitter, or any of the other buzz words lance tried to smear him with

He was all of those long before Lance said a word. He came out of the womb needy. I loved watching him race, but the early issues of winning were all about how he felt he has been treated badly by the europeans.

He was also a great racer. The two are not incompatible.

 

[Aleajactaest]

See Race Radio's post above. As I said, get real man.

I've called the Whambulance. It will reach you shortly....

If you can't make your own argument, don't bother. Or be really lazy and just say +1 like real newbies.

 

[Grandillusion]

He was all of those long before Lance said a word. He came out of the womb needy. I loved watching him race, but the early issues of winning were all about how he felt he has been treated badly by the europeans.

He was also a great racer. The two are not incompatible.

Genuine grievances about devious & sneaky competitor behaviour is not needy or whining.

Were you making these criticisms at the time? If so, were people calling you whiny and critical?

 

[Carols]

He was all of those long before Lance said a word. He came out of the womb needy. I loved watching him race, but the early issues of winning were all about how he felt he has been treated badly by the europeans.

He was also a great racer. The two are not incompatible.

There will always be nay sayers...

You have a better candidate willing to take on the job, if only on interim basis, as Greg is suggesting? Someone who could be the catalyst for Change and Reform? Someone with his credibilty and love of cycling that has shown staunch support for change for the better for many years? Someone Willing to Stand up to the pressure and advocate true change despite the costs to his professional, business and family life?

I say give him a chance; it can only get better than where we are now!

 

[martinvickers]

Take the Rose Colored glasses off. I can understand how you differ on the drug front but Greg is a whiner of the first order. Even his followers should be able to see that. He whined when Hinault didn't play fair, he whined the first time another american made inroads in european racing. Yes Greg, I get it, you are fantastic. But, blowing your own horn incessantly just looks needy.

Hinaut was a bad motherf***er. I kind of like that about him, he's a ballsy fecker, but it's the truth. He made a promise to Greg, greg poured himself out for hinault, and then the Badger tried to double cross him. Them's just facts.


I don't remember Greg being anything but supportive of Andy Hampsten. I mean, I think the 88 Giro was after Greg's first Tour, wasn't it? Didn't Andy ride for Greg?

Or do you just not know any other US riders bar Lance?

 

[Race Radio]

He was all of those long before Lance said a word. He came out of the womb needy. I loved watching him race, but the early issues of winning were all about how he felt he has been treated badly by the europeans.

He was also a great racer. The two are not incompatible.

You are in the minority. The majority of those involved in the sport do not share your unsupportable babble.

Next time post some links instead of parroting long discredited talking points

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Stay on topic of the Change Cycling Now group.


As always, further off-topic postings will be deleted and repeat offenders will be banned.

Thank you.

Susan

 

[simo1733]

Huh? I must have missed something - Jaimie Fuller is THE man behind this, getting it rolling. Jaimie Fuller is also "the Skins dude". He's just an entrepreneur. What's YOUR beef about him?

His first instinct was to sue the UCI for 2 million,Based on the false notion that their failure to stamp out doping has cost him money.We all know that cycling is booming and sales of high end cycling gear us at an all time high.
That includes go faster shorts.I fear he is an oppurtunist rather than a do gooder.Neither am I very keen on the idea of Pound for Pres.An egomaniac who doesn't like cycling! Have I missed something?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

His first instinct was to sue the UCI for 2 million,Based on the false notion that their failure to stamp out doping has cost him money.We all know that cycling is booming and sales of high end cycling gear us at an all time high.
That includes go faster shorts.I fear he is an oppurtunist rather than a do gooder.Neither am I very keen on the idea of Pound for Pres.An egomaniac who doesn't like cycling! Have I missed something?

Ahha! There's the connection. UCI are banning compression cycling shorts. Seriously. Or talking about it at least.

Things make more sense now. Had forgotten this.

 

[oldcrank]

Neither am I very keen on the idea of Pound for Pres.An egomaniac who doesn't like cycling!

Whether he is right for the job or not is one thing,
but quoting Wonderboy is just bad form. Very bad.

 

[Carols]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...t-change-group-urges-rider-involvement_267334


Yep this is Pat for sure. What an Arrogant Jerk!!!:

Vaughters’ AIGCP predecessor, Boyer, made the most explosive accusations during the 90-minute conference, accusing McQuaid of threatening him when he, as leader of the teams’ group, raised concerns over Armstrong’s return to the UCI anti-doping testing pool ahead of his 2009 comeback.

“I represented the teams, and when I found out Armstrong was coming back, I asked Pat Mcquaid if Armstrong had had all the necessary tests as part of the biological passport for six months before Tour Down Under,” said Boyer. “I wrote a letter to him and he replied asking why I was getting involved. He told me it wasn’t my place or my job to ask questions about Armstrong and it was none of my business, and ‘from this moment I don’t regard you as a credible president of the AIGCP and I’m going to open a disciplinary procedure against you.’”

 

[Grandillusion]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...t-change-group-urges-rider-involvement_267334


Yep this is Pat for sure. What an Arrogant Jerk!!!:

Vaughters’ AIGCP predecessor, Boyer, made the most explosive accusations during the 90-minute conference, accusing McQuaid of threatening him when he, as leader of the teams’ group, raised concerns over Armstrong’s return to the UCI anti-doping testing pool ahead of his 2009 comeback.

“I represented the teams, and when I found out Armstrong was coming back, I asked Pat Mcquaid if Armstrong had had all the necessary tests as part of the biological passport for six months before Tour Down Under,” said Boyer. “I wrote a letter to him and he replied asking why I was getting involved. He told me it wasn’t my place or my job to ask questions about Armstrong and it was none of my business, and ‘from this moment I don’t regard you as a credible president of the AIGCP and I’m going to open a disciplinary procedure against you.’”

Man, I honestly had no idea of the poisonous reality of these people's characters. Bruyneel, Armstrong, McQuaid, Verbruggen, they're all absolute monsters.

I'd love to see criminal charges stick on these revolting specimens.

 

[babastooey]

I've read the articles on this site and I've been to the Change Cycling Now website, and so far, I'm a little disappointed. The scope of the sport and organization is not really "change cycling" but "change cycling leadership. While I agree that changing leadership would help a great deal, this group seriously needs to avoid becoming a shadow government or a loyal opposition party because what they do not need is for this to be political. Yet, that is exactly the direction that they seem to be heading towards.

The inclusion of cheaters (or ex-cheaters, if you will, however, in my mind, when do you begin believing that liars are telling the truth?) doesn't help matters, however, to put a positive stamp on it, Vaughters and Jaksche should talk about doping not only in terms of maintaining a level playing field in sport but also in terms of the riders' health. And they can do it from personal experience, as can riders like Hamilton. Make the case that this is about changing the culture of a sport which pushes athletes to do serious damage to their health by blood doping or taking substances. Don't give us the same-old, same-old about how its "just wrong and we need to get rid of it."

As for the McQuaid thing, I think its good enough to present a positive, forward thinking plan and then let people draw their own conclusions about the lack of ideas coming from the guys in charge or of positive leadership in the sport. Be an advocacy group, not an opposition party. Don't make this political or about any sort of power struggle. People will be turned off if this is simply reduced to squabbling.

I still am looking forward to the ideas this group may come up with and I hope I am not disappointed. So far I have heard something or other about how testing would be done differently, which was overshadowed by the group wanting to crown King Greg. This should be more about the message than about any one individual. Otherwise, how can it be certain that leadership won't lapse again once Greg eventually leaves the scene?

I stress that this should be "Change Cycling Now," NOT "Change the UCI President Now."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I stress that this should be "Change Cycling Now," NOT "Change the UCI President Now."

Agreed, been banging that drum for a long while now.

I get the feeling there's a desperate rush to "fix" something asap. Rather than a measured, patient approach to putting together a complete package or system that will meet the needs from top to bottom of the sort of sporting environment desired.

Think instant gratification.

Exacerbated by the need by many in power already, to be seen to be doing something.

The foundation needs to be solid, or no matter what you build on it, it's not going to last.

 

[martinvickers]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...t-change-group-urges-rider-involvement_267334


Yep this is Pat for sure. What an Arrogant Jerk!!!:

Vaughters’ AIGCP predecessor, Boyer, made the most explosive accusations during the 90-minute conference, accusing McQuaid of threatening him when he, as leader of the teams’ group, raised concerns over Armstrong’s return to the UCI anti-doping testing pool ahead of his 2009 comeback.

“I represented the teams, and when I found out Armstrong was coming back, I asked Pat Mcquaid if Armstrong had had all the necessary tests as part of the biological passport for six months before Tour Down Under,” said Boyer. “I wrote a letter to him and he replied asking why I was getting involved. He told me it wasn’t my place or my job to ask questions about Armstrong and it was none of my business, and ‘from this moment I don’t regard you as a credible president of the AIGCP and I’m going to open a disciplinary procedure against you.’”

I saw that. any last hint of trying to find a soft landing for Pat, a la Miller, ends with that threat. He goes. Now. simple as. And he'll be damn lucky if he stays out of criminal court for aiding or abetting fraud.