Changes Cookson has implemented at UCI

[thehog]

That would be funny indeed, point is, everyone knows those numbers. We are only interested in his powernumbers prior september 2011.Wasnt that banned by the UCI a few years ago?

Displaying watts, yes. Giro used to show heart rate and that was banned also.

The reason was rights to broadcast such information but think it's much more than that.

 

[stutue]

As an aside on cameras, interesting piece from INRNG a month ago..

http://inrng.com/2014/03/the-40km-sprint/

 

[HSNHSN]

Monsieur Vayer and many of the posters
in this very forum might be delighted to
do exactly that, my friend.

Only if it is possible to read what's on there. Wouldn't the image be shaken so heavily that one can't read the power meter anyway?

(sorry for being so off-topic, btw)

 

[RownhamHill]

Alright boys, back to Cookson.

So, according to Cookiemonster, the CADF is independent of the UCI.

But, the UCI tells CADF what/who/when to look for whatever they're supposed to, or not supposed to, look for.

Are you f*cking serious?

If one views the UCI as a large international organization that is in the business of selling cycling, which they keep telling us they are, then truly independent testing would scare the pants off them.

We all know the storied history of cycling, the entrenchment of past dopers in team structures and federations, the complicity of the UCI itself throughout the dark years, and known passes the UCI and feds have given riders and teams. This is not conspiracy tin-foil hattery. These are known facts. (If you p*ss about not providing links, you're either twelve years old, ignorant, trolling, or all three. These are facts.).

Now, if the UCI actually instituted truly independent and well funded testing, what do you think would happen?

Riders would be getting popped left, right, and centre.

Not good for business, and certainly not good for the image of the sport, and both of those are mandates the UCI is beholden to.

The culture hasn't changed. The teams haven't changed. Riders still do whatever they can to keep working and/or winning.

Until something changes dramatically, I'll keep enjoying the spectacle but I'm not willing to delude myself that anything has changed, "new" UCI head or not...

Out of interest, how would a 'fully independent' CADF work in practice in terms of deciding who, how and what to look for, and also who funds it?

Coming to funding first (as it's easier). Obviously anti-doping is expensive, and the independent body can't generate it's own revenue (or can it? how?), and because the UCI is the governing body and certainly has a moral responsibility to ensure anti-doping is carried out, (and probably some kind of legal/WADA compliant responsibility as well), I assume we'd all agree a model whereby UCI is the funder for the anti-doping authority, possibly through some kind of blind-trust/bank guarantee mechanism?

So now you've got a fully funded, independent body. Although I guess, from the above post, there couldn't be any instruction from UCI as to how it carries out its operations (or indeed what it actually does at all), as that wouldn't be independent? So how exactly do the who, how, what to test questions get answered? What are the terms of reference?

Presumably you'd have to imagine some kind of independent trustee body of this independent third party (appointed by whom?), but who do they answer to? Cos although one outcome of 'fully independent, well funded testing' might well be riders being popped left right and centre, that's not actually much of a given is it?

Presumably if teams/riders are happy to bribe/corrupt the relevant UCI officials to circumvent anti-doping, then wouldn't they be just as happy to do the same for an independent third party?

And what happens then? What happens if CADF decide not to test anyone OOC one year, or one month, whatever? What happens if a Lance Armstrong figure approaches them and offers a sizeable donation in return for not being tested/scrutinised or warned of upcoming tests? What happens if the CADF just changes its rules as it goes to suit the highest bidder?

Presumably (again), in this situation (the independent body became corrupted in some way), you'd want the UCI to step in and stop funding it? But, in the absence of any terms of reference or service level agreement how could it? (Assuming, as I am, some guaranteed funding mechanism was in place, which I presume you would in order for the independent body to operate/pay wages etc)

I'm fascinated by this question - how in practice can you get a regulatory body to sub-contract out a function to an independent contractor, without there actually being some kind of contract (and thus, it seems, a lack of independence) in place?

 

[thehog]

I remember those some months ago people on this forum telling us WADA were going to take over. LOL. Anything for a story. About as independent as my left foot.

 

[zigmeister]

Remember a few years ago when SRM.de had their live tracking/tour info showing live rider information, wasn't it like the 2011 TDF was the last? First around 2009?

I recall Daniel Oss as one of the riders that was tracked. Dude can lay down the powa'

ooopppssss...dead link now http://data.srmlive.de/TDF/ and http://srm.de/usa/index.html



Kittel's general SRM data.

http://www.srm.de/news/road-cycling/giro-ditalia-stage-2-3/


Yes, way to go Cookson and company for ensuring this never happens anytime soon.

What exactly has Cookson done since his taking the role? Well, I know for sure that he took Fat Pat's laptop...way to go. Big changes.

 

[thehog]

Remember a few years ago when SRM.de had their live tracking/tour info showing live rider information, wasn't it like the 2011 TDF was the last? First around 2009?

I recall Daniel Oss as one of the riders that was tracked. Dude can lay down the powa'

ooopppssss...dead link now http://data.srmlive.de/TDF/ and http://srm.de/usa/index.html



Kittel's general SRM data.

http://www.srm.de/news/road-cycling/giro-ditalia-stage-2-3/


Yes, way to go Cookson and company for ensuring this never happens anytime soon.

What exactly has Cookson done since his taking the role? Well, I know for sure that he took Fat Pat's laptop...way to go. Big changes.

Yep. Just like Horner's passport. He releases it and they make official comment by deriding it! Ensuring no one releases their data ever again.

Cookson is the man. I think he might be Pat McQuaid with a beard, no?

 

[the sceptic]

I remember those some months ago people on this forum telling us WADA were going to take over. LOL. Anything for a story. About as independent as my left foot.

Cookson is british. He would never lie.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Cookson is british. He would never lie.

Or dope, apparently.

 

[thehog]

Cookson is british. He would never lie.

Don't think it's his nationality.

It's the system and he knew it before going in. He knew how the game worked.

What is so disappointing about Cookson is he played up the "corruption" angle on McQuaid knowing full well he'd be behaving the same way. And happily putting in a place a system which exonerates the UCI if the **** ever falls down.

David Cameron he is...

Remember when people were posting his drop in salary all those months ago? Like he was a sea change?

Give me strength.

 

[zigmeister]

Yep. Just like Horner's passport. He releases it and they make official comment by deriding it! Ensuring no one releases their data ever again.

Cookson is the man. I think he might be Pat McQuaid with a beard, no?

He does have some slight scruff though often.

oh wait, it gets better. More politics and subterfuge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-and-the-uci-confirm-drug-testing-plan-at-tour-of-california

 

[zigmeister]

Oh wait, it gets better. More politics and subterfuge.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-and-the-uci-confirm-drug-testing-plan-at-tour-of-california


Do I have this right? UCI is claiming that they can't share results due to certain agreements/rules/laws that don't allow riders health information to be shared with outside of NADO? What? WADA runs NADO no? Or the at least perform OOC/IC testing that includes outside of a rider's country.

Well, that is easy, anybody can sign a waiver (at least in the US) to allow release of medical records to anybody else they desire, or just parts, like doping testing results. Or the law/rules can be changed to make this possible if they are really serious about clean racing.

I do find it ironic though that USADA (Tygart) once again is making a stink about something by asking for information/results, but when asked for information about things USADA are involved in and data, he quickly jumps to the "due to ongoing investigations, we cannot comment at this time" scapegoat. There is transparency for you Tygart.

WADA NADO Code 15.1.1 is interesting in this respect. UCI can just say "NO" to USADA with any lame reasoning. Makes sense *eyes roll*.

 

[King Boonen]

Zigmeister, this isn't UCI rules they are talking about as far as I'm aware. This is government legislation, probably EU legislation based on the UCI being in Switzerland. There are extremely good reasons that peoples medical records and any associated data should be tightly controlled (the Tories need to learn this!). The UCI's hands are probably tied on this.

I still want to see an independent body control anti-doping, funded by the team's through a central tariff, but I don't think this is something we can jump on the UCI for.

 

[Netserk]

Zigmeister, this isn't UCI rules they are talking about as far as I'm aware. This is government legislation, probably EU legislation based on the UCI being in Switzerland. There are extremely good reasons that peoples medical records and any associated data should be tightly controlled (the Tories need to learn this!). The UCI's hands are probably tied on this.

I still want to see an independent body control anti-doping, funded by the team's through a central tariff, but I don't think this is something we can jump on the UCI for.

Switzerland ain't part of EU...

 

[King Boonen]

Switzerland ain't part of EU...

Good point, although I can't imagine data protection laws in Switzerland being lax...

 

[DirtyWorks]

I still want to see an independent body control anti-doping, funded by the team's through a central tariff, but I don't think this is something we can jump on the UCI for.

The bio-passport is an IOC program. It would not work for most IOC sports.

The change needed is very simple, permit NADO's to open cases on any test results in the APMU. Even if they gave athletes a year to clean up, there would still be an *enormous* wave of positives. And the IOC does not like doping controversy.

A little bit of history for you, cycling was the last sport to agree to the WADA protocol. Drag it out, delay, whine, dead last.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Remember when people were posting his drop in salary all those months ago? Like he was a sea change?

Why do you hate a tireless champion of transparency in sport?

Just last week.... Uhh.. Last month... Uhh... months ago he did this one thing.

And then... Well, he's busy catering to the IOC and putting cameras on bikes and all that. I'm sure there's more to come.

 

[keeponrollin]

A simulcast displaying map location, wattage, and total power expended would be extremely interesting.

Can we have an anemometer as well ?

It'd be nice to see if Froooooome is surrounded by his own unique weather system that ensures he always has a tailwind, no matter what direction he's heading

 

[Benotti69]

Will Cookson bend the rules for Alonso and Bettini?

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/report-team-alonso-asks-the-uci-for-worldtour-guarantees

Vaughters tweet on it.

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 13h
"hey UCI,we illegally signed 5 top riders outside the transfer season, so let us(Alonso) bypass process everyone else must do....."

 

[mattghg]

Will Cookson bend the rules for Alonso and Bettini?

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/report-team-alonso-asks-the-uci-for-worldtour-guarantees

Vaughters tweet on it.

Apparently not.

"We feel it is important to point out that Alonso's representatives have never asked for any special treatment of any kind," a UCI spokesperson told Cyclingnews.

"It is the UCI's responsibility to create the most favourable environment for any team willing to enter the UCI WorldTour circuit."

"We very much welcome Fernando Alonso's interest and look forward to discussing further with him and his advisors. We'd be very, very happy if the team is created for 2015. However, any application for a place in the WorldTour will have to comply with the same regulations as those followed by every other team."

 

[Benotti69]

Apparently not.

Vaughters not believing it, hence his tweet.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Vaughters not believing it, hence his tweet.

JV did not check the rulebook for the "Revenue Exception" clause.

You can't find it either? They will make one to fit.

 

[thehog]

JV did not check the rulebook for the "Revenue Exception" clause.

You can't find it either? They will make one to fit.

It's next to the cameras on bikes paragraph. And the rule providing the UCI president a fully appointed and paid for apartment in Switzerland.

 

[thehog]

"I attended an update meeting a few weeks ago and I understand that some very significant and interesting people have come forward and spoken to the commission. Their work is continuing around the world. There are some very interesting people coming forward. I don’t know their names but I've been advised their work is progressing very well."

I'm sure he has no idea....

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Brian Cookson OBE ‏@BrianCooksonUCI May 22
Just a reminder; neither I nor the UCI comments on ongoing doping cases. All are dealt with diligently to ensure integrity of process. 1/3.

Brian Cookson OBE ‏@BrianCooksonUCI May 22
A wide range of stakeholders, experts, lawyers and NADOs are involved in assessing whether a rider has broken the WADA code. 2/3


Brian Cookson OBE ‏@BrianCooksonUCI May 22
and timelines reflect this fact.

As you were Gentlemen/Women