Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

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And as for utilizing a team in such way. Well, you can't just wake up in the morning and instruct your team, lets do that today. For that you need the best team, consisting of at least one more member, capable of winning a GT. And Sky was always great at that, likely due to having a big bag of money.
 
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What that misses is that both times Contador attacks he still has a teammate with him (Kreuziger I think). Why does he not use him? Put him on the front riding himself to destruction prior to the attack to weaken Sky's defence.

There's a difference between having a weak team and having a strong team that you don't use properly.
Or contador could just simply follow froome s wheel and attack froome in the end.
 
Or the team could be weaker and they would need to go 1 on 1 in the last section. Then we would know for sure.

P.S. Froome is a great rider, has win a lot, hopefully will win a few more, but i must give Contador one notch more. As if i don't do that, Contador would likely stand up, out of the saddle, and would start brutally proving me wrong. BUT, when determining such things, all don't have to agree. Obviously, if you are a big fan of one or another, that one will likely be rated higher, by you. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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Nice that Froomey and SuperG are training together at the INEOS altitude camp. It should be good for both of them...and the Team as well.

Regardless of what the TopDawg acheives at the Tour, I think the documentary chronicling his rehab, recovery and return to racing will be a must watch slice of sporting history.
 
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Or the team could be weaker and they would need to go 1 on 1 in the last section. Then we would know for sure.

P.S. Froome is a great rider, has win a lot, hopefully will win a few more, but i must give Contador one notch more. As if i don't do that, Contador would likely stand up, out of the saddle, and would start brutally proving me wrong. BUT, when determining such things, all don't have to agree. Obviously, if you are a big fan of one or another, that one will likely be rated higher, by you. Nothing wrong with that.

The thing that impressed me about Contador wasn't the attacking which his fans loved but his defending. He's the best defensive rider I've seen in 35 years of watching this sport. Once he got the lead in a race it didn't lose it. And a series of riders found him at times impossible to shake off their wheel. Think Rasmussen in 07, Schleck in several years and Froome in 2014 (Dauphine and Vuelta).

It's a skill he used to turn Schleck's teams to his advantage. Saxo would get rid of the other contenders for him and then he'd stick to Schleck and beat him in the TT. It's not a tactic that worked against Sky except in 2014 when he had beaten Froome in the TT.

A lot of sports fans greatly undervalue defensive work, while overpraising attack. But not me (I was a goalkeeper in another sport)
 
The thing that impressed me about Contador wasn't the attacking which his fans loved but his defending. He's the best defensive rider I've seen in 35 years of watching this sport. Once he got the lead in a race it didn't lose it. And a series of riders found him at times impossible to shake off their wheel. Think Rasmussen in 07, Schleck in several years and Froome in 2014 (Dauphine and Vuelta).

It's a skill he used to turn Schleck's teams to his advantage. Saxo would get rid of the other contenders for him and then he'd stick to Schleck and beat him in the TT. It's not a tactic that worked against Sky except in 2014 when he had beaten Froome in the TT.

A lot of sports fans greatly undervalue defensive work, while overpraising attack. But not me (I was a goalkeeper in another sport)
And usually the attacking was when he was behind. Good spectacle but he could have gotten better placements.

Of the two I think Froome is the more aggressive rider when already having a lead.
 
The thing that impressed me about Contador wasn't the attacking which his fans loved but his defending. He's the best defensive rider I've seen in 35 years of watching this sport. Once he got the lead in a race it didn't lose it. And a series of riders found him at times impossible to shake off their wheel. Think Rasmussen in 07, Schleck in several years and Froome in 2014 (Dauphine and Vuelta).

It's a skill he used to turn Schleck's teams to his advantage. Saxo would get rid of the other contenders for him and then he'd stick to Schleck and beat him in the TT. It's not a tactic that worked against Sky except in 2014 when he had beaten Froome in the TT.

A lot of sports fans greatly undervalue defensive work, while overpraising attack. But not me (I was a goalkeeper in another sport)
I suppose I can see your point, but it also seems like a bit of a tautology to me. You can’t ride defensively without a lead; you don’t get a lead without being stronger than other riders over a period of time; and you can’t really ride defensively successfully without being stronger than other riders over the entire race. Isn’t saying that a rider excels at riding defensively just another way of saying that the strongest rider wins the race?
 
The thing that impressed me about Contador wasn't the attacking which his fans loved but his defending. He's the best defensive rider I've seen in 35 years of watching this sport. Once he got the lead in a race it didn't lose it. And a series of riders found him at times impossible to shake off their wheel. Think Rasmussen in 07, Schleck in several years and Froome in 2014 (Dauphine and Vuelta).

It's a skill he used to turn Schleck's teams to his advantage. Saxo would get rid of the other contenders for him and then he'd stick to Schleck and beat him in the TT. It's not a tactic that worked against Sky except in 2014 when he had beaten Froome in the TT.

A lot of sports fans greatly undervalue defensive work, while overpraising attack. But not me (I was a goalkeeper in another sport)
What are you talking about regarding Rasmussen in 2007? Contador wasn't in the lead back than nor riding defensively nor able to keep to Rasmussen's wheel.
 
Looks at ICA team

I'm sure it's for the next 4 Tour wins
I do think it is worth remembering what Rasmussen said regarding Froome’s solo in the Giro. He is a multiple-GT winner, and the possibilities for such a rider are different than those of most any other GT rider. I don’t know what his recovery is like, but if he has recovered and is back to the type of shape he had before the crash in 2019, I would not rule him out at all for winning any GT he enters in the next couple of years.
 
I do think it is worth remembering what Rasmussen said regarding Froome’s solo in the Giro. He is a multiple-GT winner, and the possibilities for such a rider are different than those of most any other GT rider. I don’t know what his recovery is like, but if he has recovered and is back to the type of shape he had before the crash in 2019, I would not rule him out at all for winning any GT he enters in the next couple of years.
Well that scenario sounds rather unrealistic.
 
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And usually the attacking was when he was behind. Good spectacle but he could have gotten better placements.

Of the two I think Froome is the more aggressive rider when already having a lead.
With Froome style of racing he always knew if he will beat the others or not. Yeah, he attacks when having a lead but he's doing this because he knows that others will not stand a chance.
 
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Well, Froome is now moving to a less strong team and Contador had just break the Everesting record. I don't see on why we couldn't watch them both next season, preferably choosing a less crowded GT, and go all in.
 
The everesting recors is simply not a super high level achievement for an active WT level climber
You're right, but it could be. It's an individual test on a course of the individual's choosing and timing so not close to a race. A head to head version for decent money with say, four climbers; might be interesting to see. It could also be totally boring.
Considering broadcasters need something to promote...?
 
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You're right, but it could be. It's an individual test on a course of the individual's choosing and timing so not close to a race. A head to head version for decent money with say, four climbers; might be interesting to see. It could also be totally boring.
Considering broadcasters need something to promote...?
Would be great to see like multiple guys going at it simultaneously in different places at once.
 
Nothingburger tbh.

Ineos are only gonna leave him out of the TdF if he's legit not good enough to be part of the 8 man squad, in which case they must be laughing themselves silly that Froome got an insane contract elsewhere.

I know you shouldn’t read too much into Strava but it looks like Sivakov is in amazing shape right now, he’s faster than Froome on most climbs - yes we don’t even know if Froome is doing efforts but we all know he is on a comeback so it’s not unrealistic that he isn’t as good as usual. Of course Froome might not upload his good days but G Thomas said the other day Sivakov was flying on Teide.

If the situation in a month sees Froome barely stronger than Sivakov, say during the Dauphine, Ineos will feel justified to swerve Froome for someone like Amador. Their team looks a little bit light on climbing domestiques If they take three leaders, that leaves something like Rowe, Castro, DVB, Kwiato and Sivakov. Sivakov could be asked to do A lot of work on the high climbs.

Who knows, I’d never write off Froome and if anyone knows how to time their form right it is him, but if I was him I’d be wary that Brailsford can be very ruthless and will do what he thinks is best for the team getting yellow.
 
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Yesterday I had a thought regarding Froome, being left off the team, for whatever reason.
Three leaders, not enough domestiques, fitness or even poltics.
It may well benefit him as he will have another whole year to get stronger after the injury.
This may be a clever play by him.
 

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