On the other hand, Andy Schleck won the Tour at the height of Contador's career.At the height of Contador's career Froome wouldn't have been close to Contador. You're right, nothing more needs to be said Froome is not close to what Contador was.
On the other hand, Andy Schleck won the Tour at the height of Contador's career.At the height of Contador's career Froome wouldn't have been close to Contador. You're right, nothing more needs to be said Froome is not close to what Contador was.
Due to reasons we can't talk about here. However, I doubt anyone would argue that Andy was likely the best pure climber in several of those Grand Tours.On the other hand, Andy Schleck won the Tour at the height of Contador's career.
No, what I'm saying is Froome is such a lucky leader that he didn't have to deal with LL, LA, or Vino because he already showed multiple times how "good" of a leader he is with team going against him. He is also a lucky leader that Sky is able to pay his teammates so much money to support him. As Rob Parker says all the time about another great, he is the LOAT.So what you're saying is that Contador was such a poor leader that anyone who fancied their chances rode against him so he had to bring in some friends. But the only friends he had were inadequate riders.
Leadership is part of the job of being a leader. It seems Contador was rubbish at it.
It would have been a good race as long as no crashes. Contador had Froome's number in 2012 and 2014 with him being the main reason Nairo beat Froome in 2016 Vuelta in question to Rui's question. A 2009 Contador vs 2013 Froome vs 2010 A. Schleck vs 2013 Nairo vs 2014 Nibali with their teams from that year in full support of each rider would have been an amazing race.At the height of Contador's career Froome wouldn't have been close to Contador. You're right, nothing more needs to be said Froome is not close to what Contador was.
We can talk about doping........Due to reasons we can't talk about here. However, I doubt anyone would argue that Andy was likely the best pure climber in several of those Grand Tours.
Froome has 4 tours de france, and contador 2, froome beat multiple times contador.....we all know who s the best. Don t tell me that your favorite rider/ riders are better than froome because they won without a team,or because froome had "always" a great team when they even can t follow froome s wheel.At the height of Contador's career Froome wouldn't have been close to Contador. You're right, nothing more needs to be said Froome is not close to what Contador was.
Oh good because Contador and Froome's defenses were both the same. We all know how it turned out for both riders.We can talk about doping........
Technically Contador has 3 Tours, 3 Vueltas, and 3 Giros. Froome has 4 Tours, 1 Giro, 1 Vuelta and a Vuelta that was GIFTED to him. Heck Lance Amstrong was a better Tour racer than Froome. Indurain is the ONLY rider to have ever won 5 Tours in a row, plus won the Giro/Tour twice during that stretch.Froome has 4 tours de france, and contador 2, froome beat multiple times contador.....we all know who s the best. Don t tell me that your favorite rider/ riders are better than froome because they won without a team,or because froome had "always" a great team when they even can t follow froome s wheel.
You know there are rules AGAINST that in this forum, correct? Thus you must go to a DIFFERENT sub-forum to talk about that.We can talk about doping........
What she's saying is Froome and Sky are LA and USPS to Contador and teams Ullrich and Telekom. Froome/Sky unlike Contador has also shown to bend the rules with feeds before the final mountain, feeds during the mountain, miss using the powers of the leaders jersey, and whole team finishing well outside the time limit but one I believe. Among other things.Froome has 4 tours de france, and contador 2, froome beat multiple times contador.....we all know who s the best. Don t tell me that your favorite rider/ riders are better than froome because they won without a team,or because froome had "always" a great team when they even can t follow froome s wheel.
I shudder to think how closed all Grand Tours in the 2010's would have been if Sky had had a domestique at the level of Jesús Hernández!Contador had a better team than froome in tour 2013, and he could not beat froome. Rodgers, kreuziger,jesus hernandez weren t enough......
Contador level teams he probably loses his Giro, the 2015 Tour, and I can see him lose the 2017 Tour and maybe Vuelta as wellI shudder to think how closed all Grand Tours in the 2010's would have been if Sky had had a domestique at the level of Jesús Hernández!
What an extraordinarily weird example. Way to shoot oneself in the feet...
The Froome-Contador comparison has to take into account that Contador is a little older, and peaked mostly before Froome came onto the scene. He didn't get to race Froome (or Wiggins, who of course he consistently beat easily in previous Tours) in 2012 (for other-forum reasons, of course).
There s no technically and nothing gifted, contador won 7 tours and froome also 7 tours. Contador and cobo breaked the rules, that s simple.Technically Contador has 3 Tours, 3 Vueltas, and 3 Giros. Froome has 4 Tours, 1 Giro, 1 Vuelta and a Vuelta that was GIFTED to him. Heck Lance Amstrong was a better Tour racer than Froome. Indurain is the ONLY rider to have ever won 5 Tours in a row, plus won the Giro/Tour twice during that stretch.
Contador is not my favorite rider. Contador has beaten Froome on multiple occasions. Sorry, but Froome is not better than Contador. Make Froome try without a great team and he won't win. Froome is not close to a good enough tactician.
Jesus hernandez was a weak climber....but it was contador who always wanted him and sergio paulinho on his teams, you know that right? And Daniel navarro?kreuziger? Rodgers? Sergio paulinho? Popovych? What a bad teammates that contador had......I shudder to think how closed all Grand Tours in the 2010's would have been if Sky had had a domestique at the level of Jesús Hernández!
What an extraordinarily weird example. Way to shoot oneself in the feet...
You really can't get out of your bias to look at this objectively at all. Froome at his peak would have had no chance of beating Contador at his career peak.There s no technically and nothing gifted, contador won 7 tours and froome also 7 tours. Contador and cobo breaked the rules, that s simple.
He beat froome multiple times? When? In Vuelta 2014 when he sucked froome s wheel? That s the only time i remember.
If this forum has certain rules, we shouldn t be talking about Armstrong.
He seemed pretty feisty to me in the 2011 Giro.Contador was never the same after 2010.
And why contador after his suspension, was never the same he was in 2007/2010? Can someone explain me that?! Certainly it wasn t because of his age.... in 2011 he had 29 years.Contador was never the same after 2010.
So the question is which Contador are you comparing to Froome?
Post 2010 Contador won only two battles with Froome: 2012 Vuelta when Froome tired after doing the TDF; and 2014 Vuelta when Froome clearly was not as recovered from injury as Contador. Otherwise, frankly, Contador was dominated by Froome in the mountains and particularly in the time trials. In those he never came close to recapturing the "form" that had him beating Cancellera in 2010...
Froome particularly dominated Contador in races in France. And I have my suspicions as to why that would be...