one more reason is people often associate sky and froome with evil like the same folks liked to do absolutely the same with lance and us postal earlier on. thereby some fans even quite sincerely believe bertie, nibs, quintana and the whole peloton should combine their forces to prevent sky from winning, even though that doesn't make any sense and can't occur on the road. sadly, many guys are blinded by their hate for froome or contador way too much and rational way of thinking is the last thing they are interested in. otoh, the forumboard could have been a bit dullish if such slashing fellows hadn't posted in october 2015 something like 'bertie will never ever win the tour' or 'i'm 100% convinced froome won't be on the top spot in the 2016 tour' 
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You can say many things about Froome, but not that he is a cycling legend. He may yet become one, but time and odds are against him.
His main problem is that despite having almost perfect combination of abilities for GT GC-contender, he has won exactly 2 GT-s during four full seasons since his transformation/breakthrough. Not exactly prolific. Compare that to Contador, who won every single GT he entered from Tour 2007 to Giro 2011 (similar age and time-frame to compare with Froome 2011-15).
While Froome is one of the best GC-riders of his time, he doesn't look like a legend right now.
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You can say many things about Froome, but not that he is a cycling legend. He may yet become one, but time and odds are against him.
His main problem is that despite having almost perfect combination of abilities for GT GC-contender, he has won exactly 2 GT-s during four full seasons since his transformation/breakthrough. Not exactly prolific. Compare that to Contador, who won every single GT he entered from Tour 2007 to Giro 2011 (similar age and time-frame to compare with Froome 2011-15).
While Froome is one of the best GC-riders of his time, he doesn't look like a legend right now.
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I think you forgot Contador in your list of not false champions, and Cuddles is an interesting choice (only thrice in his career was he true, true champion: Mendrisio 2009, Montalcino 2010 and sort of Tour 2011, sort of). Also, Froome, while being no doubt a great pedaller, is nowhere near a legend. Since 2012 he has focused 100% on Tour with an eye on the Vuelta if things turn to pot in the Tour. Even if he wins 5 Tours, not a legend as he is missing the Giro and the Vuelta (he might win the Vuelta one day). While occasional cycling onlookers might look at him and say 'Legend', most cycling fans will look at Contador with 2(3) Giri, 2(3) Tours and 3 Vueltas and possibly more next year and say 'Legend'.
In short, I respectfully disagree.
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I think you forgot Contador in your list of not false champions, and Cuddles is an interesting choice (only thrice in his career was he true, true champion: Mendrisio 2009, Montalcino 2010 and sort of Tour 2011, sort of). Also, Froome, while being no doubt a great pedaller, is nowhere near a legend. Since 2012 he has focused 100% on Tour with an eye on the Vuelta if things turn to pot in the Tour. Even if he wins 5 Tours, not a legend as he is missing the Giro and the Vuelta (he might win the Vuelta one day). While occasional cycling onlookers might look at him and say 'Legend', most cycling fans will look at Contador with 2(3) Giri, 2(3) Tours and 3 Vueltas and possibly more next year and say 'Legend'.
In short, I respectfully disagree.
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There are people all the day talking about people who is worse than Froome as if they are legends, so...
If you know me I dont talk about some people before 2011, for me that is a dark part of this sport, I can talk just about some people that era, an one is not Contador.
You has you opinion and I have mine, that is all. Truth is just one, maybe yours , maybe mine, of course I think is mine.. and facts give me reason.
Põhja Konn said:
There are people all the day talking about people who is worse than Froome as if they are legends, so...
If you know me I dont talk about some people before 2011, for me that is a dark part of this sport, I can talk just about some people that era, an one is not Contador.
You has you opinion and I have mine, that is all. Truth is just one, maybe yours , maybe mine, of course I think is mine.. and facts give me reason.
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Yes a I think that Landa is now a legend too. Especially after a legend of cycling (Froome) chose his performace in Giro the best performance of the year (the highlight was probably itt and stage 20 where he introduced a new way of using brakes) and a legend of this forum (you) trolled constantly during the whole year hyping him.
I think you guys should meet for a gang bang, I am sure you would become legends pretty soon.
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Yes a I think that Landa is now a legend too. Especially after a legend of cycling (Froome) chose his performace in Giro the best performance of the year (the highlight was probably itt and stage 20 where he introduced a new way of using brakes) and a legend of this forum (you) trolled constantly during the whole year hyping him.
I think you guys should meet for a gang bang, I am sure you would become legends pretty soon.
How is Froome not a legend? He's done things only Merckx, Coppi, Bartali, Maes & Bahamontes have also done.
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Quintana and Contador (if expected average winning speed>50k/h, of course) will be quaking in their boots if 2013 time trialling Froome returns.
del1962 said:Chris is back training and on his TT bike
Quintana and Contador (if expected average winning speed>50k/h, of course) will be quaking in their boots if 2013 time trialling Froome returns.
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summer kit, so he´s in Zuid-Afrika now
del1962 said:Chris is back training and on his TT bike
summer kit, so he´s in Zuid-Afrika now
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Is the expected Average winning speed going to be that high though? I can't see it on those lumpy TT's.
SeriousSam said:del1962 said:Chris is back training and on his TT bike
Quintana and Contador (if expected average winning speed>50k/h, of course) will be quaking in their boots if 2013 time trialling Froome returns.
Is the expected Average winning speed going to be that high though? I can't see it on those lumpy TT's.
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Lol!MatParker1711 said:
If Contador is in top shape Froome will be crying into his Team Sky approved pillow at night cause there'd be no way for him to take enough time in the ITT to make up for his losses in the mountainsSeriousSam said:del1962 said:Chris is back training and on his TT bike
Quintana and Contador (if expected average winning speed>50k/h, of course) will be quaking in their boots if 2013 time trialling Froome returns.
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If you are going to copy one of my old posts at least give me a mention ...Thanks RayJ
LaFlorecita said:Me every time I read one of Taxus' postsTaxus4a said:
If you are going to copy one of my old posts at least give me a mention ...Thanks RayJ
Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....
Bertie ...endless GT wins ....
Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.
Bertie ...endless GT wins ....
Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.
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I've posted that image as a response to Taxus at least once before. Maybe you copied me? Who knowsray j willings said:
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His first win , there was no real fit competition.
2nd win. Quintana should have taken him to the cleaners. Bertie rode the Giro.
Froome got his time due to the wind split . No wind split and Quintana would have won although he would not have deserved it with his and Movies bad tactics [ to scared to attack]
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His first win , there was no real fit competition.
2nd win. Quintana should have taken him to the cleaners. Bertie rode the Giro.
Froome got his time due to the wind split . No wind split and Quintana would have won although he would not have deserved it with his and Movies bad tactics [ to scared to attack]
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When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.
(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic)
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When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.
(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic
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How convenient that your conversational cutoff is 2011, as if suddenly a hush fell over the sport and it was proclaimed by Sir Brailsford: "Let there be light and let that light be Team Sky!! We shall rescue the sport from its years of darkness and lift it up with cleanliness, superior tactics, and our boys-next-door appeal!!" Excuse me while I find a bucket to lose my breakfast in.
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How convenient that your conversational cutoff is 2011, as if suddenly a hush fell over the sport and it was proclaimed by Sir Brailsford: "Let there be light and let that light be Team Sky!! We shall rescue the sport from its years of darkness and lift it up with cleanliness, superior tactics, and our boys-next-door appeal!!" Excuse me while I find a bucket to lose my breakfast in.
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You seem to mention the wind split stage a lot? Isn't riding in the wind part of cycling the dawg proved he can handle all condition unlike some, and it was Saxo that done the damage in the wind split, Froome just took ad advantage of their work...smart racing from him...,and that fact that Quintana could only attack Froome when he was ill tells you how strong the dawg was, Froome has won 2 GT because he has been the strongest rider, not because he was luckyray j willings said:
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he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.
Contador is clearly punchier than FroomePremierAndrew said:ray j willings said:
When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.
(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic
he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.TRENDING THREADS
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