Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Taxus4a]

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Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

 

[Angliru]

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Why do so many of the Bertie cult feel the need to post here

If you've never posted in the Contador thread this question might have some validity but....

 

[shalgo]

Rare pre-2011 Vuelta sightings of Froome--already looking at his stem on a climb:

From the 2011 Tour of Calfornia: https://youtu.be/kexoyWtSZoE?t=163

From the 2011 Tour de Romandie: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xifvjm_tour-de-romandie-stage-1_sport (Quite a bit of screen time here, actually.)

From the 2011 Tour de Suisse: https://youtu.be/qDK3c0htwSE?t=1810 (He is visible again in the lead group here: https://youtu.be/qDK3c0htwSE?t=2807 and finishing here: https://youtu.be/qDK3c0htwSE?t=3221).

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Cycling has a loooonnnnggg history. Don't you think it premature to hoist Quintana up among the legends of the sport?

 

[blackmamba]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Thats the funny thing about all this, they call out whoever point out the truth which is based on stats and facts for fanboys but they evaluate this froome v contador thing (which btw doesnt exist more than andy schelck v contador exist) based on nothing but their own thoughts and totally contradicting to stats and facts

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Your opinion has no objetivity. In any case, we will see this Tour.

And I remember in Vuelta a España Contador was in better shape than Froome. And in that Vuelta I whatched Froome at least as strong than Contador in the mountains, maybe better. The days contador could take some seconds ti froome was suckung his wheels several Km.. in other stages Froome put time. In 3 weeks Froome is much better, when the difference is small is in one week races.

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Nothing recent suggest Contador is a better climber, and he seems to weeken in third week giro 2015.

 

[Taxus4a]

We dont have lot of reference with both of them at a similar shape. I should count 2013, becouse I cant find the reason to rule out that year. contador had a powerfull team, he was healthy, he was in a good age for cycling,.. but anyway, we can explude that year... but we have 2014 Daupohine, before Froome crash, Froome beated him in the prologue and he beated him here, attacking and attacking always sucking wind, and Contador sucking his wheel, and despite that Contador tried to win the stage but he couldnt. Acording contador in Cataluña he was afected to close and attack of TVG, so that issues may affect, and affect when he do and when his rivals do, not just him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2vYatCG9ks

Both Contador and Froome were at 90 %.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Nothing recent suggest Contador is a better climber, and he seems to weeken in third week giro 2015.

He was thinking in Tour, where he won very easy, so he didnt gave his best in the Giro.

Froome domestiques this year or another years beated Contador but people still thinking Contador is better than Froome. I dont say contador is not better for a GT than Thomas or Porte, but he is nort better than Froome. He could beat him sometimes, that is true, the same Thomas has beated him.

 

[dacooley]

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several thoughts in hindsight

you should be a very savvy forum member to post something in the thread and not to get caught by ray j's ambush since we have 2 proven facts
1. froome did all his best to dodge from racing the 2015 giro as he knew he would stand zero chance against fresh and fully fit bertie
2. froome was never, is never, will never ever be able to beat contador in a gt on equal grounds as the 2014 dauphine 2014 and the vuelta illustrated
so deal with it or just do not post

on a serious note, one must have nerves of steel to support froome on the board.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Your opinion has no objetivity. In any case, we will see this Tour.

And I remember in Vuelta a España Contador was in better shape than Froome. And in that Vuelta I whatched Froome at least as strong than Contador in the mountains, maybe better. The days contador could take some seconds ti froome was suckung his wheels several Km.. in other stages Froome put time. In 3 weeks Froome is much better, when the difference is small is in one week races.

Both rider's form improved as the race progressed. Where earlier they were battling with Valverde, Purito and Aru, in the later stages Contador and Froome were on a entirely different level than the rest. 2014 was the first year since Froome came to prominence that a rival matched his accelerations and in Contador's case, eventually dropped him in the mountains. No one had done that in the past.

It's seems a double standard at play here that you can say Contador was in better shape than Froome, evidenced (in your eyes) by the fact that Contador was able to compete with Froome in the mountains. I can only surmise your belief being, that is the only way it would happen. Tossing aside the possibility that Contador and Froome were at equal form and that Contador was proved be the stronger in the mountains in the end. Contador had the advantage that he was holding the lead in the gc and the onus was on Froome to regain his time back. Contador could ride defensively but Froome nevertheless could not separate himself from Contador and ultimately ended up losing more time.

The only argument I can see to support what I believe to be your premise, is that where Froome had been able to make the sacrifices to reach the level that brought him to prominence, Contador's willingness to do the same year after year after year wained. This to the point that he was operating primarily on his sheer talent without the past obsessive attention to his training which resulted in, for Contador, subpar (for him) Tour performances and overall. The same has been mentioned (or something in a similar vein) about Froome's form in 2014, where somewhere along the way he messed up in his training, resulting in less than stellar results compared to previous years.

Still the Dauphine showed they were both superior to their rivals in the mountains and the latter stages of the Vuelta proved the same, with Contador and Froome distancing the nearest gc contender in the latter two mtf's by almost a minute on each one.

 

[Angliru]

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We dont have lot of reference with both of them at a similar shape. I should count 2013, becouse I cant find the reason to rule out that year. contador had a powerfull team, he was healthy, he was in a good age for cycling,.. but anyway, we can explude that year... but we have 2014 Daupohine, before Froome crash, Froome beated him in the prologue and he beated him here, attacking and attacking always sucking wind, and Contador sucking his wheel, and despite that Contador tried to win the stage but he couldnt. Acording contador in Cataluña he was afected to close and attack of TVG, so that issues may affect, and affect when he do and when his rivals do, not just him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2vYatCG9ks

Both Contador and Froome were at 90 %.

How can you possibly know this?

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Re: Re:

several thoughts in hindsight

you should be a very savvy forum member to post something in the thread and not to get caught by ray j's ambush since we have 2 proven facts
1. froome did all his best to dodge from racing the 2015 giro as he knew he would stand zero chance against fresh and fully fit bertie
2. froome was never, is never, will never ever be able to beat contador in a gt on equal grounds as the 2014 dauphine 2014 and the vuelta illustrated
so deal with it or just do not post

on a serious note, one must have nerves of steel to support froome on the board.

At least Bertie saved cycling. Is it all good now that the god hero rode SUCH a complete schedule. And he always races to win of course.

 

[Publicus]

Re: Re:

Who's trying to say Froome has a better palmares than Contador? People are arguing that Froome right now is better than Contador, and listing achievements from 9 years ago is completely irrelevant.

The AC thread is full of people complaining about discussion of CF and CF fans posting 5h!t in it, so it's only right that AC fans stay out of this one

It is easy to say. Froome and Contador are both in his best phisical moment, and Froome is better when they are both in good shape and the parcours is complete, so there is no discussion.

At the end of his career Froome will have a very good palmarés as well, but with a rival of the level of Quintana, one of the best talented climbers in cycling history.

Rubbish. When both are in top shape froome may bit.just a bit stronger in the tt ,not much. Bertie is a much better climber and much stronger over 3 weeks. Froome also needs a strong team around him Bertie does not.
Your evaluation is pure fan boy. You really come out with make.believe nonsense.

Your opinion has no objetivity. In any case, we will see this Tour.

And I remember in Vuelta a España Contador was in better shape than Froome. And in that Vuelta I whatched Froome at least as strong than Contador in the mountains, maybe better. The days contador could take some seconds ti froome was suckung his wheels several Km.. in other stages Froome put time. In 3 weeks Froome is much better, when the difference is small is in one week races.

Your opinion has no objectivity either. That's why they're called OPINIONS. They are subjective. For example, your recollection divorces all context from the race. 2014 Vuelta was the only race that I can recall that they were pretty much on par (both coming off of injuries that caused them to leave the TdF). Contador wasn't "wheelsucking", he was riding defensively since he had gained time on Froome during the ITT and thus it was up to Froome to drop him to regain time. Contador handled literally EVERYTHING Froome threw at him in the mountains, and then dropped him like a bad habit when Froome ran out of gas. Now if that's Froome being "maybe better" in the mountains than Contador, you really need to reconsider your definition of "better". On stages where Froome gained time (I believe there were two stages), Contador was too busy messing around with Purito and Valverde who refused to ride to distance Froome.

In any event, you're entitled to your opinion, but it is just as flawed as any other opinion offered up by others (including my own) since it is colored by your perception of the events.

 

[blackmamba]

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

 

[Ramon Koran]

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None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

No one is arguing who has the best palmares, Contador wins hands down. What we are arguing is who is the best right now, you're stats are useless in that discussion, it's like saying boonen is the best cobbled rider because he has the best palmares despite not performing since 2012. Here's a fact Contador has not won a stage in the tour since 09, and that is the last year he performed at the tour at a level enabling him to win against froome and Quintana. Can he do it again 7 years on, I have my doubts but would be pleased to see him one last time.

 

[Red Rick]

This discussion's totally unnecessary here.

 

[blackmamba]

Re: Re:

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

No one is arguing who has the best palmares, Contador wins hands down. What we are arguing is who is the best right now, you're stats are useless in that discussion, it's like saying boonen is the best cobbled rider because he has the best palmares despite not performing since 2012. Here's a fact Contador has not won a stage in the tour since 09, and that is the last year he performed at the tour at a level enabling him to win against froome and Quintana. Can he do it again 7 years on, I have my doubts but would be pleased to see him one last time.

Ok but dont just say despite not performing in the tour since 09 you have to say the rest aswell duo to he couldnt race, duo to he crashed, duo to he came back from suspension, duo to he that one year tried the giro-tour double so dont come with half things like that just so further your case. The only 3 week GT they rode on even terms is the Vuelta and even that was neither at their best but the closest both have in terms of % at the same time (ofc not counting in the 2014 which was the real benchmark but they both crashed so the asnwer was never given), thats 2 years ago and if your looking for now THIS YEAR all we can do is GUESS nobody has the answer for that if your answer for that is based on cause Contador hasnt won tdf since 09 then its not very clever now is it since all the reasons for that is mentioned above and makes perfectly sense, should atleast. Its like saying Froome owned Contador last TDF, he dont have a chance THIS YEAR cause of that......without taking into account he rode the giro first, its just meh doesnt make sense!

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

Palmares is not objetive to compare cyclist, Lot of people has never won le Tour o better than other who has won. and maybe one Tour, show more of a cyclist than 8 Giros and Vueltas.

Facts is another thing that palmares. You have to analyze performances.

 

[blackmamba]

Re: Re:

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

Palmares is not objetive to compare cyclist, Lot of people has never won le Tour o better than other who has won. and maybe one Tour, show more of a cyclist than 8 Giros and Vueltas.

Facts is another thing that palmares. You have to analyze performances.

Ill leave that analyzing to you, we should be in good hands

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

No one is arguing who has the best palmares, Contador wins hands down. What we are arguing is who is the best right now, you're stats are useless in that discussion, it's like saying boonen is the best cobbled rider because he has the best palmares despite not performing since 2012. Here's a fact Contador has not won a stage in the tour since 09, and that is the last year he performed at the tour at a level enabling him to win against froome and Quintana. Can he do it again 7 years on, I have my doubts but would be pleased to see him one last time.

Ok but dont just say despite not performing in the tour since 09 you have to say the rest aswell duo to he couldnt race, duo to he crashed, duo to he came back from suspension, duo to he that one year tried the giro-tour double so dont come with half things like that just so further your case. The only 3 week GT they rode on even terms is the Vuelta and even that was neither at their best but the closest both have in terms of %, thats 2 years ago and if your looking for now THIS YEAR all we can do is GUESS nobody has the answer for that if your answer for that is based on cause contador hasnt won tdf since 09 then its not very clever now is it since all the reasons for that is mentioned above and makes perfectly sense, should atleast.

Agree that we can only guess however because of the past seven years there are more question marks over weather Contador has what it takes to win another tour. Froome on the other hand has shown recently he can do it. In the grand scheme of things it probably won't matter as generally the strongest rider wins the tour, but it still is something to factor in when picking a favorite.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

No one is arguing who has the best palmares, Contador wins hands down. What we are arguing is who is the best right now, you're stats are useless in that discussion, it's like saying boonen is the best cobbled rider because he has the best palmares despite not performing since 2012. Here's a fact Contador has not won a stage in the tour since 09, and that is the last year he performed at the tour at a level enabling him to win against froome and Quintana. Can he do it again 7 years on, I have my doubts but would be pleased to see him one last time.

Ok but dont just say despite not performing in the tour since 09 you have to say the rest aswell duo to he couldnt race, duo to he crashed, duo to he came back from suspension, duo to he that one year tried the giro-tour double so dont come with half things like that just so further your case. The only 3 week GT they rode on even terms is the Vuelta and even that was neither at their best but the closest both have in terms of % at the same time (ofc not counting in the 2014 which was the real benchmark but they both crashed so the asnwer was never given), thats 2 years ago and if your looking for now THIS YEAR all we can do is GUESS nobody has the answer for that if your answer for that is based on cause Contador hasnt won tdf since 09 then its not very clever now is it since all the reasons for that is mentioned above and makes perfectly sense, should atleast. Its like saying Froome owned Contador last TDF, he dont have a chance THIS YEAR cause of that......without taking into account he rode the giro first, its just meh doesnt make sense!

Td F is the race all the great GT riders want to win, becouse is the most important for ponsor and the most pretigious by far in the last 40 years.

If you consider that in the last years Contador coudn performe well there and we have 2 victories from Froome and he was the stronger in another you cant say Contador is better than Froome.

That is to be objetive.

We have some races to compare, we have some race to analyce its circusntances and how there was unfolded and his reults.

Before his sanction anyway i dont mind a lot what Contador did. It was another era. It i uselees to compare with Froome.

 

[blackmamba]

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None opinions matters wether your a fanboy of Froome or Contador, so lets just let the stats and facts speak for themself unless ur a Froome fan and cant handle the truth dont bother comment!


Contador :

Tour de Francia: 2007 y 2009
Giro de Italia: 2008 y 2015
Vuelta a España: 2008, 2012 y 2014

Froome :

Tour de France 2013 et 2015


Y lets discuss this more and while where at it lets discuss that Kristoff is better than Cancellara since he won Flandern last year, doesnt matter that Cancellera didnt participate Kristoff won so lets discuss that hes better than Cancellera and actually believe it (see the simularities Contador rode the TDF 2015 after riding the Giro which is pretty much thee same as Cancellera not riding last Flandern more or less) see how stupid it looks?

Sorry if this little reality check didnt suit you but it was way overdue.

Sorry if I hurt any Froome fanboys aswell by saying this but unlike you this isnt just my OPINION or anything this is just facts and stats wether your like em or not its still the facts


Note: The only 3 week GT they rode when on even terms against eachother was vuela 14 and again the result should speak for itself but since it doesnt let me remind you of the result once more oh wait you got it now congratz

No one is arguing who has the best palmares, Contador wins hands down. What we are arguing is who is the best right now, you're stats are useless in that discussion, it's like saying boonen is the best cobbled rider because he has the best palmares despite not performing since 2012. Here's a fact Contador has not won a stage in the tour since 09, and that is the last year he performed at the tour at a level enabling him to win against froome and Quintana. Can he do it again 7 years on, I have my doubts but would be pleased to see him one last time.

Ok but dont just say despite not performing in the tour since 09 you have to say the rest aswell duo to he couldnt race, duo to he crashed, duo to he came back from suspension, duo to he that one year tried the giro-tour double so dont come with half things like that just so further your case. The only 3 week GT they rode on even terms is the Vuelta and even that was neither at their best but the closest both have in terms of %, thats 2 years ago and if your looking for now THIS YEAR all we can do is GUESS nobody has the answer for that if your answer for that is based on cause contador hasnt won tdf since 09 then its not very clever now is it since all the reasons for that is mentioned above and makes perfectly sense, should atleast.

Agree that we can only guess however because of the past seven years there are more question marks over weather Contador has what it takes to win another tour. Froome on the other hand has shown recently he can do it. In the grand scheme of things it probably won't matter as generally the strongest rider wins the tour, but it still is something to factor in when picking a favorite.

Yeah but its not cause he beat Contador straight up its cause Contador tried the impossible with the Giro - Tour so again we are left to guess yadayada. I urge you to not so easily forget about the vuelta 14 were they both rode at the closest lvl they have ever done in a GT, and last year Contador won the giro with ease.

I for one hope for noone crashes this year neither from Froome or Contador then we will maby know for sure if Contador can still win the Tour or not.

 

[rick james]

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Its no discussion even, like I wrote on my post above its like saying Kristoff is greater than Cancellara.

Take into account Froome and Contador hasnt gone head to head when even terms the closest we get is the vuelta 14 and the results there aswell speaks for themself even tho people gonne play the fanboy card the facts dont lie, sure they might hurt your feeling but still dont lie. Froome beating Contador in TDF 15 is the same as Kristoff winning flandern 15 over Cancellara pretty much (seeing he didnt even participate which is almost the same as Contador in TDF 15 since he did the Giro - TDF which everyone knows is impossible)

Should we ignore the recent history where The Dawg has spanked Contador twice at TDF? and you'll say Bertie wasn't in top shape, well its his job to be in top shape, maybe if he was more professional bertiewould have put up a better fight