Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[SHAD0W93]

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Froome is like Armstrong, Merckx, and Hinault had a baby attitude and person wise yet a huge cry baby if something does not go his way. There are many reasons why not to like him though people are allowed to like who they want to and just because they have a different opinion does not mean it is wrong. Excluding all the clinic talk, his rise to the results he has is extraordinary for the level he showed. Cavendish has been my favorite rider since I started watching in 09 while for many here they do not like him.
Just like someone can like Valverde and not Froome who are 2 completely different personalities and individuals.

I haven't liked Froome since 11 but congratulations on the win. Hopefully it does not go the same way as Cpntador's did because that would have ruined the race dynamics.

Okay, I'll bite.
How is Froome a cry baby when things dont go his way? If anything, its the exact oppposite.

His lack of team support in the beginning of his transformation, having to support Wiggins, people calling his team out on illegal feeds repeatedly, his wife not being allowed to run her mouth, people not waiting when he crashes yet he refuses to, people not wanting to help him when he takes no prisoners, the crash at 15 Tour, I would never comprise the sport or race if I was suspected, why can no one believe I am clean, etc.

Lets go one by one.

1. His lack of team support in the beginning of his transformation, having to support Wiggins: Every rider goes through that. Did you go in the Mikel Landa thread and state he's a crybaby too? Ridiculous. Its his right to ask for team support when he's strongest. Proven by the fact that he is by a fair margin the best GT rider of his generation. Jesus wept.

2.people calling his team out on illegal feeds repeatedly: How is he a crybaby then? Arent others crybabies?
As far as I recall, he's taken one illegal feed and got a penalty. Enlighten me if there are more please. Also would be great to get a link of teams calling Sky out for illegal feeds. Thanks.

3. people not waiting when he crashes yet he refuses to: He's the yellow jersey. Thats what the unsaid rules and the history of the sport says. He's not the first and wont be the last. Utterly ridiculous.

4. people not wanting to help him when he takes no prisoners: When did you see him being a crybaby about it? He taking prisoners or no prisoners is irrelevant to the argument. Utterly ridiculous.

5. the crash at 15 Tour: What crash? What crybaby? Dont get this statement at all tbh.

6. I would never comprise the sport or race if I was suspected, why can no one believe I am clean, etc:
Everything **** body says the same thing. From Bertie, Nibali, TD, everyone. Crybaby? LMAO.

No reasoning, just clear hate. You're looking for something which aint there buddy. BLNT.

1. Yes, everyone gets upset that they have to work for someone else when they are stronger but their is zero reason to be unprofessional to the outside world.

2. 2013 Tour before Mt. Ventoux his team had a whole feed with bags for everyone on the front of his team which the commentators and judges brought up. Than his feed with Porte getting the gel. 2015 tour same thing on mt stage with sky bags in front.

3. Whether he is in the yellow jersey or not he expects people to wait. Yet when someone else has issues he has no problem taking advantage.

4. It actually is relevant. At work are you more or less likely to help someone that is just going to take all the credit and glory for the accomplishment? He expects people to help him so he can then go on to win.

5. It might have been in 16 Tour then. The one stage that Nibali won.

6. Yet him and his team have been under heavy scrutiny as well as his case is still being heard.

People have all kinds of reasoning to dislike Froome just like he will have his fans. The dislike he gets his from his own accord.

 

[SHAD0W93]

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I honestly don't know. I wouldn't put it past Froome to try and stick it to Contador one last time.

If Froome really gave a **** about Contador in that race he wouldn't have let him go.
Bertie was racing his own race, Froome his own.

Froome has shown with his past actions that he wants to win and win everything he can to demolish his competition. Let's say he did pass Contador, that would have been the ultimate insult to injury from Froome.

Well, he didnt. Again looking for something which aint there buddy. BLNT

You're right he didn't pass Contador. Which from all the proof that Froome has shown for wanting to win as many stages as he can or points and mountains jerseys that he was not able to.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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You're right he didn't pass Contador. Which from all the proof that Froome has shown for wanting to win as many stages as he can or points and mountains jerseys that he was not able to.

Exactly. For all the Sky fanbois that are adamant Froome gifted that stage to Alberto, you don't suppose he'd have rather gifted it to his buddy Poels?
It sure seemed like that was the plan to me.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Froome is like Armstrong, Merckx, and Hinault had a baby attitude and person wise yet a huge cry baby if something does not go his way. There are many reasons why not to like him though people are allowed to like who they want to and just because they have a different opinion does not mean it is wrong. Excluding all the clinic talk, his rise to the results he has is extraordinary for the level he showed. Cavendish has been my favorite rider since I started watching in 09 while for many here they do not like him.
Just like someone can like Valverde and not Froome who are 2 completely different personalities and individuals.

I haven't liked Froome since 11 but congratulations on the win. Hopefully it does not go the same way as Cpntador's did because that would have ruined the race dynamics.

Okay, I'll bite.
How is Froome a cry baby when things dont go his way? If anything, its the exact oppposite.

His lack of team support in the beginning of his transformation, having to support Wiggins, people calling his team out on illegal feeds repeatedly, his wife not being allowed to run her mouth, people not waiting when he crashes yet he refuses to, people not wanting to help him when he takes no prisoners, the crash at 15 Tour, I would never comprise the sport or race if I was suspected, why can no one believe I am clean, etc.

Lets go one by one.

1. His lack of team support in the beginning of his transformation, having to support Wiggins: Every rider goes through that. Did you go in the Mikel Landa thread and state he's a crybaby too? Ridiculous. Its his right to ask for team support when he's strongest. Proven by the fact that he is by a fair margin the best GT rider of his generation. Jesus wept.

2.people calling his team out on illegal feeds repeatedly: How is he a crybaby then? Arent others crybabies?
As far as I recall, he's taken one illegal feed and got a penalty. Enlighten me if there are more please. Also would be great to get a link of teams calling Sky out for illegal feeds. Thanks.

3. people not waiting when he crashes yet he refuses to: He's the yellow jersey. Thats what the unsaid rules and the history of the sport says. He's not the first and wont be the last. Utterly ridiculous.

4. people not wanting to help him when he takes no prisoners: When did you see him being a crybaby about it? He taking prisoners or no prisoners is irrelevant to the argument. Utterly ridiculous.

5. the crash at 15 Tour: What crash? What crybaby? Dont get this statement at all tbh.

6. I would never comprise the sport or race if I was suspected, why can no one believe I am clean, etc:
Everything **** body says the same thing. From Bertie, Nibali, TD, everyone. Crybaby? LMAO.

No reasoning, just clear hate. You're looking for something which aint there buddy. BLNT.

1. Yes, everyone gets upset that they have to work for someone else when they are stronger but their is zero reason to be unprofessional to the outside world.

2. 2013 Tour before Mt. Ventoux his team had a whole feed with bags for everyone on the front of his team which the commentators and judges brought up. Than his feed with Porte getting the gel. 2015 tour same thing on mt stage with sky bags in front.

3. Whether he is in the yellow jersey or not he expects people to wait. Yet when someone else has issues he has no problem taking advantage.

4. It actually is relevant. At work are you more or less likely to help someone that is just going to take all the credit and glory for the accomplishment? He expects people to help him so he can then go on to win.

5. It might have been in 16 Tour then. The one stage that Nibali won.

6. Yet him and his team have been under heavy scrutiny as well as his case is still being heard.

People have all kinds of reasoning to dislike Froome just like he will have his fans. The dislike he gets his from his own accord.

1. Why dont you go and write the same in the Landa thread? Just to not be a hypocrite.
IMO, what Landa/Froome have done is totally understandable.

2. The question is....Is it illegal?
I'll let you answer that yourself.

3. Okay...let me know where he says people should have waited for him when he crashed/had a mechanical and he wasnt in the leaders jersey.
Heres one when he *was* in the yellow jersey.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-survives-attacks-and-mechanical-in-the-massif-central/

4. Youve not answered my question.

5. Yes, he was in the yellow jersey.

6. That they do. So?

Naah....People try to find things which sounds good to their narrative. Thats how it is. I'm fie with it.
What I'm not fine with is calling him a crybaby.

 

[Parker]

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Why does Froome lie about easily varified facts? He did not gain most of his time on descents.

If they are easily verified, then what are the actual figures. Because I can look at the stage and see that he gained 1m 14 from the top of Finistere to the Intermediate Sprint and 27 seconds from the top of Sestrieres to the 20km to go mark. That's 1m 41 on descents.

 

[SHAD0W93]

1. That is were we disagree. It is unprofessional to call out your teammate in public. It is something you can tell the DS and other rider to talk about it and try and work it out. It is the same thing if you work at a business and start trash talking a co-worker to customers.

2. Both the commentators said it was illegal.

3. Yes, since I am going to have handy every single time he crashes and if he was in the lead or not.

4. In my opinion I did. If you are the stronger rider with the stronger team and have shown in the past to win as much as you can no matter the circumstances and than to be upset that no one wants to help you succeed. Many riders do this and complain if they do not get help from someone else.

5. This is quite frankly a race and unfortunately bad luck happens. The only time people should wait is like with outside interference.

6. So that goes against everything Team Sky set out to be but quite frankly neither of us should tall about this one anymore because it belongs in the clinic.

I see things how it is. I don't like Froome because he wins a lot, his team, or his sudden turn to superstar. I dislike him because of his personality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, in mine he is a cry baby and someone who wants everything to go his way even when it is not possible while in yours he is one of your favorite riders.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why does Froome lie about easily varified facts? He did not gain most of his time on descents.

If they are easily verified, then what are the actual figures. Because I can look at the stage and see that he gained 1m 14 from the top of Finistere to the Intermediate Sprint and 27 seconds from the top of Sestrieres to the 20km to go mark. That's 1m 41 on descents.

https://twitter.com/imdonncha/status/1000150343039176705
59s gained on the descents, 99s uphill, 45s on the false flat.
So 29% downhill, 49% uphill, 22% false flat. The time gained on the descents is not the majority in any way.

 

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After such a hard Giro, and boy, that was hard! I wonder if he can recover enough for the Tour.
He's got 6 weeks in total till 7th July.

While you can carefully plan your peak for the first GT, I guess it's much harder to get the plans right when you have to factor in a recovery in a such a short period and you don't know in advance how your body is going to answer, possibly changing completely your initial plan.

Froome has got a massive experience as a GT rider and knows himself perfectly, but this is the first time he is trying the double, so unknown territory also for him.

One thing that I think is important is that he hit top form right at the end of the Giro.
That should mean that he is coming out of it in good shape and not totally shattered.
While people were getting dropped because of exhaustion, he was getting better.
An important detail, I believe.

 

[Savant12]

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Why does Froome lie about easily varified facts? He did not gain most of his time on descents.

If they are easily verified, then what are the actual figures. Because I can look at the stage and see that he gained 1m 14 from the top of Finistere to the Intermediate Sprint and 27 seconds from the top of Sestrieres to the 20km to go mark. That's 1m 41 on descents.

https://twitter.com/imdonncha/status/1000150343039176705
59s gained on the descents, 99s uphill, 45s on the false flat.
So 29% downhill, 49% uphill, 22% false flat. The time gained on the descents is not the majority in any way.

TD could have tried to minimize his losses on the descent after Finestre but clearly didn't seem strong enough in the 3rd week to do it alone without blowing up [see last year's Giro where he needed Jungels and then Mollema to keep him in contention].

This year, he had a worsening Pinot and "old lady" Reichenbach to help him bridge the gap. Froome was minimizing his losses in the first two weeks, whereas Dumoulin was digging deep and going man-o-man-o with Simon Yates.

 

[huge]

It's Finestre, not Finestere.

Even on Eurosport they were calling it Finestere. Don't know why.

 

[silvergrenade]

What a beauty.

 

[Savant12]

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It's Finestre, not Finestere.

Even on Eurosport they were calling it Finestere. Don't know why.

Probably, Carlton Kirby confusing it with the area in western France which I've picked up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What a beauty.

You can tell this was rushed, after all they only had two days to prepare something. Not much thought put into the design. I love pink bikes anyway but think it could have been done with a touch of class and finesse.

 

[silvergrenade]

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What a beauty.

You can tell this was rushed, after all they only had two days to prepare something. Not much thought put into the design. I love pink bikes anyway but think it could have been done with a touch of class and finesse.

Will let them know they need to hire a new designer.

 

[Blanco]

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Why does Froome lie about easily varified facts? He did not gain most of his time on descents.

His wife told him

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What a beauty.

You can tell this was rushed, after all they only had two days to prepare something. Not much thought put into the design. I love pink bikes anyway but think it could have been done with a touch of class and finesse.

Will let them know they need to hire a new designer.

You'll know what his TDF and Vuelta bikes looked like. If they also were one uniform color it might fit in nicely with those two. But now I'm just seeing a kinda plastic-y looking neon pink bike

 

[rick james]

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What a beauty.

 

[rlntlssly]

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Why does Froome lie about easily varified facts? He did not gain most of his time on descents.

I don't know whether he is right or whether you are. He might, of course, be wrong -- you don't get a good overview of the race and the gaps when you're riding in it...

 

[EroicaStradeBianche]

Chris Froome is the new Remco Evenepoel

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

So, he did it, I really have to remind you some posts from last 2 days concerning such great win by Froome, Chris Froome:

Valv. Piti
LEGENDARY performance. LEGENDARY
Best I have ever seen live.
(…)
What a ride, and yes, what a champion.
(…)
Congratulations to Froome. After targeting the double, I was on the record saying I didnt think he would win a GT ever again. Turns out I was dead wrong. Lets see if he can replicate this climbing level in the Tour from the last week - if he can, he will be extremely hard to beat. Chapeau. Will forever remember his legendary ride over Finestre, Sestrere and Jafferau.

DNP-Old
I applaud this man. Greatest performance I have ever seen. Thank you.

MatParker117
Legend.

Pippo_San
Yup. Legend is the word after today.
Totally deserved.

Forever The Best
80 km solo _O_
The greatest triumph of Froome, definitely. Legendary ride.

Netserk
Legend _O_
(…)
While I didn't like him one bit the first couple of years after his transformation, I now often have wildly varying feelings towards him, but today was quite clear. What a ride. What a champion. This was so, so impressive. A miraculous comeback, and a mighty determination. It is the hope of witnessing such displays that is a large part of why I watch cycling.
Probably the strongest will in today's cycling.

bigcog
Never thought I'd see him do a ride like that. Outstanding.

Hugo Koblet
Single best performance I've ever seen in this or any sport. What a legend.

DFA123
Legendary performance today. The strongest rider on the climbs, the bravest on the descents and the ballsiest in terms of tactics.

Vino attacks everyone
Most epic ride I’ve ever seen.

Koronin
Actually I have less respect for him after today, and anything else I have to say only belongs in the clinic section of the boards.
(…)
My problem with Froome's performance today is that I now have more respect for Lance as a racer (not person, totally different issue) than I did before today.
(…)
The brazenness of what he pulled in this Giro, I have no respect at all for him. The sad part is he's actually made me actually respect Lance as a racer. That is NOT something I had thought anyone could actually do.

Red Rick
Easy decision. Especially as groups fracture so hard behind you. This wasn't even high risk, there were no negative implied odds.

dacooley
only a man forged in steel can deliver suchlike perfomances. chapeau.

sir fly
Today's ride was self-explanatory.
Watching cycling makes me feel refined

brownbobby
Anybody who didn’t enjoy watching that today, who can’t give credit to that performance regardless of who they do or don’t support, anybody who’s first and only instinct is to throw unconstrained accusations....well you’ve really gotta wonder why they still bother with the sport.

rick james
Ok, Back after a months holiday...….What have I missed??????????

DBotero
Legendary ride.Best stage I watched live on TV,simply amazing.I hope he survives tomorrow and bring the pink jersey to Rome.

Fearless Greg Lemond
I think it is about fair to put froomey in the ranks of Hinault and merckx. What a grandeur.

Tonton
Masterpiece, a stage for the ages. I'm speechless.

SHADOW93
To do what he did with what he showed before is silly even taking into account last year. If it is anything like Zoncloan he will have a bad day tomorrow.

Nirvana
After yesterday he climbed sharply to the top of my favourite riders list, he has done something that i was dreaming for more than twenty years, since Chiappucci.
Nibali who? Contador who? That's the way to do long range attacks!

Poursuivant
He has a great palmares with some very special wins, but Yesterday was Froome’s masterpiece.

LaFlorecita
Congratulations, without a doubt the strongest GC rider since Hinault.
(…)
Froome has at least another 3 years at top level and 4-5 GT wins in him. The next one is coming this July.

Dekker Tifosi
Froome is just too good. That's why he can afford to go into a TDF undercooked and still win like last year. That allows him to win two GT in a year. He did the same trick this Giro. The fall made things tricky but in the final week he showed he is just too strong. He is so much stronger than even the second best it's not even funny.
Bernal is the only hope left..but he rides for the same team.

MuskyOurSaviour
He was most dominant in these mountains then past few years at any Grand Tour.

 

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[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Excellent, CF in pink is marvellous!

 

[rick james]