Chris Horner - how come this guy doesn't have a thread yet???

[simoni]

That's the thing. Wrong calculations, or plain "we don't want our readers to see this after all"?

It was a nonsense article anyway. Ignoring the numbers (>6.7 Watts/kg for anyone who didn't see it) comparing AC on a european MT finish after a fortnight of a universally accepted ridiculously tough giro and CH on a 5km climb on the 3rd day of Cali was pointless.

If it said anything to me, it said that Contador is still on the juice.

 

[mwbyrd]

]It was a nonsense article anyway. Ignoring the numbers (>6.7 Watts/kg for anyone who didn't see it) comparing AC on a european MT finish after a fortnight of a universally accepted ridiculously tough giro and CH on a 5km climb on the 3rd day of Cali was pointless. [/B]
If it said anything to me, it said that Contador is still on the juice.

Well said!!!!

 

[Magic Spanner]

This is pretty stupid, not on your part mind you. So if you're going to have racist and self-righteous views, why put the French in with the Anglo-Germanic societies?

I mean isn't French a Latin tongue? And isn't France also a Mediterranean nation?

Doping is practiced in the North, just as it is in the South. If anything the Latin peoples are just less ingenuous.

Agreed.

I think the French are included as less likely to dope because they don't win Grand Tours and they talk about "deux vitesse" cycling. The likes of Tommy V and Chavanel are popular as attacking, entertaining riders.

Racial stereotyping is unfortunately common in the UK and I have had course to cringe with embarrassment on a number of occasions when abroad with other Brits.

I visited Germany for the 2006 soccer World Cup and found Germans to be friendly, open minded, tolerant, extremely polite, very funny and generally laid back. You know just normal folk (although I have to say every biker was wearing pink T-Mobile kit and rode a Giant). Many England fans were walking around with inflatable Spitfires and T shirts referring to WW2 and singing songs glorifying the Allies victory.

...... and we think cycling has problems.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Really interested to see if Horner can perform like this outside the USA. With those wattage numbers he would have murdered Contadorr

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=119

 

[Bavarianrider]

Go to google.
Search for: "cache:www.cyclingnews.com/news/data-reveals-contadors-giro-ditalia-performance" (whithout the quotation marks).

This page isn't working for me? What does it say. Do they just use the numbers of Ferrari?

 

[roundabout]

Really interested to see if Horner can perform like this outside the USA. With those wattage numbers he would have murdered Contadorr

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=119

You aren't comparing like for like as there were no 7 hour stages with 6km of climbing after 2 weeks of racing in California.

I am curious though how well Honer did on the Baldy stage.

Edit: from Sutherland's data on Velonews Horner did approximately 5.8 w/kg

 

[Hitchey]

There has been a little discussion in the road thread regarding this topic. Some different explanations and a little perspective there directly relating to this topic.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13555&page=5

 

[DirtyWorks]

There are going to be big gaps and a couple of 'field crushers' in events like the ToC. The big problem with using the ToC as a reliable benchmark is the lack of depth of racers. Even though TdF contenders were there, they weren't racing for the win.

His team history is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Horner
I don't know enough doping history to comment on his team choices.

That said, 5.9 Watts/kilo is unbelievable.

 

[131313]

That's the thing. Wrong calculations, or plain "we don't want our readers to see this after all"?

I'm guessing it was deleted because it was so poorly written. It intermixed "VAM" with "w/kg" in a pretty nonsensical way. W/kg isn't affected by wind?


I posted this in another thread, but it's probably worth mentioning again. Horner did in the Sierra Road climb around 6.8 w/kg. There are several power files out there from guys who were reasonably close to him (and some pretty far down on him), and the climb is steep enough that the calculations can be run to verify that the power meters are accurate. There's no hiding it, and very little dispute; he did around 6.8 w/kg for around 18 minutes. People can draw their own conclusions as to what that means. I've certainly drawn mine...

As far as Horner, he's long understood what it meant to be "professional". The real pity is that he seemingly gave up every shred of self-respect and kissed the king's ring so he could get his little slice of the pie before his career was over. He's always seemed like a good guy, but it's hard for me to really take him seriously.

 

[gobuck]

131313 wrote:

As far as Horner, he's long understood what it meant to be "professional". The real pity is that he seemingly gave up every shred of self-respect and kissed the king's ring so he could get his little slice of the pie before his career was over. He's always seemed like a good guy, but it's hard for me to really take him seriously

well said!

 

[saganftw]

doin 6,8w/kg and then claim in interview nobody could beat him doesnt sound like doper to me...why would he drew a target on himself like that?

 

[flicker]

131313 wrote:

As far as Horner, he's long understood what it meant to be "professional". The real pity is that he seemingly gave up every shred of self-respect and kissed the king's ring so he could get his little slice of the pie before his career was over. He's always seemed like a good guy, but it's hard for me to really take him seriously

well said!

What can you say, the Shack/Lance/ Horner are a good match.
Probably the best team Horner has ridden for. Watch Leopard, next year they will jell. Takes a while, that is why Chris/Shack are acheiving ths year.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

i've always liked chris horner's because i respect the work guys like him do as super domestiques, and partly because he was always seemed friendly amicable in post race interviews/vids. i wonder how well he would have done last year if he didn't have to waste time looking after lance & levi? nice to see he got his due rewards at the ToC, but (just about with any multi-day tour winner nowadays) god, i hope he's clean.

Patrik Sinkewitz is a friendly, amicable guy who'll chat happily, personably and to a reasonable degree candidly with fans. I know this from personal experience.

He was still a doper back in the day, and he was still a doper when he came back.

 

[Horizon Deep]

Patrik Sinkewitz is a friendly, amicable guy who'll chat happily, personably and to a reasonable degree candidly with fans. I know this from personal experience.

He was still a doper back in the day, and he was still a doper when he came back.

Ditto Tyler i.m.h.o

 

[VeloGirl]

As far as Horner, he's long understood what it meant to be "professional". The real pity is that he seemingly gave up every shred of self-respect and kissed the king's ring so he could get his little slice of the pie before his career was over. He's always seemed like a good guy, but it's hard for me to really take him seriously.

And Levi kicked it up a notch too. I was pretty surprised when he signed.

 

[Benotti69]

Please you forgot, Pope Benedict XVI also doped to give mass at midnight. And yesterday Obama was doping in Ireland!!! I assume you are probaly the only rider in the planet who has not doped.

While you ask people to get a clue maybe you should just get a life!!


Maybe they all dope and honestly it will continue as long as their is money involved. People look for an edge in everything and that is life. As for me, I am going riding and enjoy a few miles of freedom like most of us do.

this is the second time i have read this today. Public stratalies new mantra..."they all dope...... go for a ride"...WTF.

Poor Chris Horner
sat in the corner
till along came the shack
gave him some smack
now he's riding a stormer.

 

[saganftw]

who decided horners win has to be doping one?

source pls

 

[DirtyWorks]

who decided horners win has to be doping one?

source pls

google the following: 'tour of california' sierra road climb watts

Plenty of sources to compare

 

[mastersracer]

who decided horners win has to be doping one?

source pls

exactly, I think its pretty cool when two teammates drop the field on a climb. It reminded me of Ricco and Piepoli...nevermind...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

exactly, I think its pretty cool when two teammates drop the field on a climb. It reminded me of Ricco and Piepoli...nevermind...

Vino and Kash too.

 

[maltiv]

It's so hilarious that it was Chris Horner who once said that it "shouldn't be possible" for a team to be pulling at the front for entire mountain stages. Now, his team is not only pulling on the front all day until the mountain, but they get rid of everyone else while they still have 3 riders left.

I'm wondering what someone like Tejay Van Garderen, who had ToC as a major goal, felt when he was dropped by 3 radioshack riders lead by some american 26 year old who no one has even heard of before.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's so hilarious that it was Chris Horner who once said that it "shouldn't be possible" for a team to be pulling at the front for entire mountain stages. Now, his team is not only pulling on the front all day until the mountain, but they get rid of everyone else while they still have 3 riders left.

I'm wondering what someone like Tejay Van Garderen, who had ToC as a major goal, felt when he was dropped by 3 radioshack riders lead by some american 26 year old who no one has even heard of before.

1. I have to wonder how much of a priority ToC was for the TRS-80's given it's 'the' U.S. race. The sponsor would be most pleased.
2. The depth of the field at ToC is not great. Expect gaps to happen.
3. That 'no name' American was nationally ranked cross country runner or something like that before getting on a bike. The beauty of doing well in hills is it doesn't require much skill, just a powerful motor. The guy would likely get eaten alive on serpentine European roads.

 

[Mambo95]

Who is Horner trying to kid? Does he really expect us to believe that he can outclimb Rory Sutherland and Tom Danielson?

 

[andy1234]

Who is Horner trying to kid? Does he really expect us to believe that he can outclimb Rory Sutherland and Tom Danielson?

Don't forget Luis Romero Amaran and Bartosz Huzarski.
He took minutes, yes minutes out of both of these riders.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Why Armstrong and Bruyneel

This is why Armstrong and Bruyneel have to go down.

The disappointment is that even if they do go down, everyone will know that without a federal investigation they would have gotten away with it. The odds must look good to guys like Horner... good enough anyway.