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roundabout

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theyoungest said:
The argument that contracts in cycling are short-lived so you'd be unwise to bully is not very convincing. You could just as well argue the other way around: it's a dog eat dog world so you care less about your teammates and don't mind bullying as much, since next year you'll be on a different team anyway.

It's clear where you stand on the issue... I find this automatic tendency by you and most of this forum to side with the bully, and try to discredit the bullied, quite fascinating. There is even an element of victim blaming: he shouldn't have been such an annoying little tw.t and just shut his mouth.

None of us know if there was actual bullying going on, it's of course also open to interpretation and a little hard to prove. But the defense from Bora's side now seems to be: he's very demanding, very difficult to work with, we put a lot of effort in but he was never satisfied and he kept complaining. How does that disprove bullying? If anything it seems to be an excuse for why bullying may have taken place.
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It's a dog eat dog world and it is also a quite a small and open one (in terms of communication). Their are plenty of companies in the real world that employ more people than all 18 WT teams put together so there is little space to hide any personal faults.

Why would any person would want to have a reputation of being difficult to work with in such environment is beyond me, but probably seems reasonable to you somehow?

And no, I am not siding with the bully, I just think that the implication that your side is making about Bora is extremely serious and needs far more conclusive evidence than what has been presented so far.

But of course if what's been alleged so far is enough for your to presume and keep on presuming/digging in with your presumption that Bora employ people of very dubious morals and the management does not care, then I am sorry, but it also says a lot about you that you are prepared to stoop so low merely because the team you support would like to get the rider they want 1 year early.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Nonsense indeed dear fellow.

First of all i have no idea whether the allegations of bullying are correct, neither did i chose any side of the argument in this case, i am simply allergic to bullies. My earliest memory in preschool (3 y.o) was punching an older kid a bloody nose because he and his friend were pushing around a smaller kid. But I have no idea if bullying is the reason for Uijtdebroeks to leave, or whether he made it up. Nor do i have inside info in this case or an idea who Zonneveld's sources are and how credible they are. All i commented on is your ridiculous nonsense regarding bullying and how it can (not) impact people, their stress level, their quality of life, or their mental wellbeing. Bullying can go far beyond the concept of what you and some others seem to have convinced yourselves.

If you were to go to your boss, he would reprimand the bullies... and then what? What do you think would happen after that? You think those bullies would all of a sudden become your best friends? You think the next time they will keep the door open for you? You think after that they would simply act as if nothing had happened? Even if they did (which they won't), the person having been bullied will FOREVER second guess the behaviour of the persons that had been bullying him. This does not go away. Ever. The first time on a training ride and you stop for a coffee, but you are a bit later to the table for whatever reason, and they chose a table where there is no seat for you left, you will wonder if they did it on purpose. Or they chose a table in the sun, when they know you don't like to sit in the sun. Or they will order a next round, the moment you went to the bathroom and you are left having to wait for the waitress to come by next time, and by the time you get your second coffee, they will have finished theirs and be getting up to leave. You clearly have no idea how microscopic bullying can become and how it can weigh on the mental wellbeing of the person who gets bullied. And good luck going to your boss to complain about the fact that they picked a table in the sun or ordered while you were on the toilet.
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So you don't know if the bullying claims are correct or not, but you have written a novella how those hypothetical bullies would behave.

Seems a bit too much effort to make for someone who is not taking sides.
 
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Salvarani

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SafeBet said:
YOU SPELLED IT RIGHT 😍
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See, @Ilmaestro99 just be making honest mistakes sometimes. Not easy to keep up with how different names from different countries and languages are spelled every time. I think everyone makes those mistakes. Sometimes you dont check twice if you spelled it right before posting. It happens.

Good that it was correct this time, so someone doesnt feel offended and has to point it out.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend

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Blanco said:
The only thing I'm ridiculing is your point. You assume there was a bullying, but of course you can't back that up. On the contrary, I'm pretty much sure there wasn't anything near bullying, and that's why I have an ironic/sarcastic tone. So now if you pretty please have some info of what really happened, aka, what indeed was that famous bullying, I would like to know, and if I was wrong, you will hear an excuse immediately.
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Lol, maybe start by reading what i have written and leave the laughable assumptions at the door.
 
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Salvarani said:
See, @Ilmaestro99 just be making honest mistakes sometimes. Not easy to keep up with how different names from different countries and languages are spelled every time. I think everyone makes those mistakes. Sometimes you dont check twice if you spelled it right before posting. It happens.

Good that it was correct this time, so someone doesnt feel offended and has to point it out.
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It's clearly intentional whether or not he bothers to spell the names right.
 
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Lol at thinking Roglič will be too old in three years. He hasn't even hit his peak yet.
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He already hit his peak a few years ago. In the Vuelta 22 he was not as strong as Evenepoel. Just gaining a bit time after Evenepoel crashed. The first stage of the Giro this year, Roglic was destroyed by Evenepoel. Later on, after Evenepoel had to abandon, he was not able to be the better of the old Thomas. Only at the end, as a better TT-rider and more explosive climber, he was able to overrule "the worn out" Thomas with a few seconds in the general. During the Vuelta last september, he did try to attack during the last week, against his teammates Kuss (the leader) and Vingegaard. And against teamorders. He didn't succeed. He was overtaken by other (less strong) teams and Ayuso en co.
I don't believe Roglic has a chance to beat Vingegaard, Pogacar and even Evenepoel in the Tour 24.
 
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Gargamel35

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shadowrider said:
He already hit his peak a few years ago. In the Vuelta 22 he was not as strong as Evenepoel. Just gaining a bit time after Evenepoel crashed. The first stage of the Giro this year, Roglic was destroyed by Evenepoel. Later on, after Evenepoel had to abandon, he was not able to be the better of the old Thomas. Only at the end, as a better TT-rider and more explosive climber, he was able to overrule "the worn out" Thomas with a few seconds in the general. During the Vuelta last september, he did try to attack during the last week, against his teammates Kuss (the leader) and Vingegaard. And against teamorders. He didn't succeed. He was overtaken by other (less strong) teams and Ayuso en co.
I don't believe Roglic has a chance to beat Vingegaard, Pogacar and even Evenepoel in the Tour 24.
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Jesus, he was joking...
 
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staubsauger said:
Automatic correction on the cellphone learns how to spell certain names however! At least Microsoft SwiftKey.

Only reason why I can spell Alaphilippe correctly! :D
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You need to write it (correctly) a couple of times for it to get fixed. And if you write it wrong enough times, it gets "fixed" like that, which was what I meant.
Nicely enough, my phone has picked up Uijtdebroeks, making things significantly easier... when I'm on my phone...
 
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RedheadDane said:
You need to write it (correctly) a couple of times for it to get fixed. And if you write it wrong enough times, it gets "fixed" like that, which was what I meant.
Nicely enough, my phone has picked up Uijtdebroeks, making things significantly easier... when I'm on my phone...
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Same. My spelling is terrible on its own and when you add autocorrect, typos and locations having different names in different languages to that, I'm basically unintelligible.

Uijtdebroeks is actually one of the names/words I get right more often than not.
 
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