Teams & Riders Cian Uijtdebroeks - From the wetlands to the top of cycling

[roundabout]

Literally the sentence after that one.

Even the utopian world of fair/equitable TV money distribution would not be a safeguard from one team trying to win the bidding war by whatever means possible if that team has less room for an unforeseen budget increase than the rest (and I am not even sure if that applies in the Uijtdebroeks case).

 

[proffate]

If the money comes from elsewhere, how are they "generated" by transfers?

the transfer money comes from the oil Sheikhs. There will be a cottage industry of teams acting as scouts and selling young talent to UAE. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1737855647222514153

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[hrotha]

I agree that Visma handled this very poorly, but I disagree that the system is good like it works now.

The whole business model of cycling as a whole is ***. It depends way too much (almost solely) on sponsorship. Even more so now that things like this happen. You need a proper transfer system that can become a revenue generator. Together with a proper division of TV rights.

"We ain't paying what Bora is asking" is a very weird way to advocate for a system where rider transfers generate revenue

 

[theyoungest]

Of course since you managed to twist the team manager explicitly saying that Uijtdebroeks never used bullying as a reason to leave Bora into a sign that there was some truth to bullying, it's no surprise that your perception of this case is already set and that you think what was reported is the 'truth'.

There is literally no reason for Zonneveld not name any sources now, unless he genuinely believes in some kind of cycling wide culture of retribution against whistleblowers (and I am not sure those people can even be named as such if they even exist).

But I kind suspect that he won't name any names and I suspect you will twist any logic into a pretzel yet again to 'justify' any names not being named.

I also kind of doubt that any other journalist would report about the 'bullying'. Despite their being 'multiple sources' and all.

What a weird idea of journalism you have. Now that the case is over, suddenly Zonneveld should reveal his sources? Like it's some kind of game?

That you do not believe him doesn't mean he should lose his journalistic integrity. That you don't like what he says doesn't mean he should refrain from reporting on it. Not to mention that the bullying bit was just a tiny part of an hour long podcast on the case, where he offered a completely fair and balanced view of the whole saga. It's not his fault that the copy paste press ran away with the bullying story and nothing else.

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's so ****ing on next season isn't it, every race like last years Catalunya

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Giro then. Any predictions on how Cian will bode?

 

[Escarabajo]

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he doesn't know that they created a new group in WhatsApp in Jumbo!!!

 

[scribers]

I broke my contract to repay my credit card.

It’s for my own well being

 

[Tim Cahill]

This passive aggressive thing a lot do, where they make allusions to a situation in order to simultaneously put blame on the other party whilst trying to appear 'above it all' has to stop. Instagram-level discourse. You really end up doing neither.

He's very young of course, plenty of time to learn, but generally speaking I'd rather riders say one of two things in response to that sort of question;

1. I don't want to talk about that, I'm moving on and focusing on my new team.

2. Yeah mate I'm glad to be shot of them treacherous ****ers, here are some examples and individuals that I'd like to publicly call out.

Either dodge the question completely or go into specifics, I'm of the opinion that cycling needs a lot more of #2 of course. Hopefully he grows in confidence and starts doing unprompted hit pieces on Vlasov and Denk. That would be good.

 

[red_flanders]

how many Giro stages will it take Cian to throw a tantrum cause Kooj and Wout are wasting energies in the sprints?

Do we have any reason to think he would? Personally I can't see a 20-year-old guy coming on a team and dictating what WVA does in a GT...or in any race. Don't see Visma giving that kind of thing any room whatsoever.

 

[red_flanders]

Even if that would be true. That is in the end on how adults would do it.

So somebody has pull a plug on and has sent the kids to bed. And adults took over. Likely some credit goes to UCI here to. With the move of registering Cian with Bora yesterday. Kudos to that. Showing the kids on how it's done.

So, kids, watch and learn, now go to bed.

Imagine the UCI being the adults in the room! Incredible times we live in...

 

[Rob5091]

Well regardless of how much money has changed hands, let's hope this is the end of this sorry tale.

 

[Berniece]

"We ain't paying what Bora is asking" is a very weird way to advocate for a system where rider transfers generate revenue

Why do you feel I’m on the side of Jumbo?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Between Van Aert and Uijtdebroeks, the conclusion is that breaking the transfer rules works. No matter what you think about transfer systems in cycling, that's a big problem.

 

[armchairclimber]

I didn't think I could find the Jumbos any less likeable .... kudos for ramping it up.
Roglic to the Giro would sell some tickets I guess.

 

[Salvarani]

He is a taller whinier Remco.

The almighty never whines. He is just outspoken and tells it how it is.

 

[theyoungest]

I didn't think I could find the Jumbos any less likeable .... kudos for ramping it up.
Roglic to the Giro would sell some tickets I guess.

Because he would beat Uijtdebroeks?! Of course he would.

 

[shadowrider]

I could be wrong, but I don't expect Cian become a future GC-winner. And certainly not the Tour. Not even with ketones, and special Jumbo (now Visma) medical treatments. Or a better bikeposition in TT. He is more the Jurgen Van den Broeck type. An excellent climber, but without much explosiveness. Even a little less in time trial than Van den Broek. Both combined, I should say. A top five in a GT. Maybe once a podium.

 

[Squire]

I could be wrong, but I don't expect Cian become a future GC-winner. And certainly not the Tour. Not even with ketones, and special Jumbo (now Visma) medical treatments. Or a better bikeposition in TT. He is more the Jurgen Van den Broeck type. An excellent climber, but without much explosiveness. Even a little less in time trial than Van den Broek. Both combined, I should say. A top five in a GT. Maybe once a podium.

Van den Broeck didn't do that stuff at the age of 20 though.

 

[Berniece]

I could be wrong, but I don't expect Cian become a future GC-winner. And certainly not the Tour. Not even with ketones, and special Jumbo (now Visma) medical treatments. Or a better bikeposition in TT. He is more the Jurgen Van den Broeck type. An excellent climber, but without much explosiveness. Even a little less in time trial than Van den Broek. Both combined, I should say. A top five in a GT. Maybe once a podium.

I think you'll be mistaken, I can definitely see him win a GC in the future. We'll have to see what kind of progress he'll make this year, if it's like Ayuso and he's already stagnating then you might be right, but I feel there's still some decent margin for improvement in a lot of cases.

 

[shadowrider]

Van den Broeck didn't do that stuff at the age of 20 though.

Look at Ayuso. A better climber and a far better TT at 20. Already 22 next season. But no major progress, and during the Tour 24 Pogacar's domestique. Then you can be sure that Cian will become Vingegaard's domestique in the coming years..... unless winning the Giro next year (or at least be second after Pogacar).

 

[IndianCyclist]

Now that this episode behind him, he should fully concentrate on his objective. Top 10 sure, top 5 maybe, Podium is remote for this Giro. This should not clash in any way with WVA/Kooij objectives considering he has to only follow wheels of the rider ahead of him not Pogi. There is more likely hood of WVA and Kooij clashing. Too early to say he will win a GT

 

[Colonel]

Do we have any reason to think he would? Personally I can't see a 20-year-old guy coming on a team and dictating what WVA does in a GT...or in any race. Don't see Visma giving that kind of thing any room whatsoever.

then you dont know the real Cian

 

[Mayomaniac]

Do we have any reason to think he would? Personally I can't see a 20-year-old guy coming on a team and dictating what WVA does in a GT...or in any race. Don't see Visma giving that kind of thing any room whatsoever.

Wout will enter the breakaway and ride for himself on every hilly stage, cause "Working for Cian? that doesn't work for me, brother!"