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[sniper]

has Millar spoken to Circ or been invited?
I don't think he ever mentioned who his dope suppliers were back in 2004.
Or did he?

 

[Unsytherhino]

has Millar spoken to Circ or been invited?
I don't think he ever mentioned who his dope suppliers were back in 2004.
Or did he?

Wasn't it L'Equipier in his book? I did read who this actually was somewhere, but I've forgotten the name. No doubt put him in touch with his suppliers.

 

[mewmewmew13]

IMO he has a long way to go to catch ol Tex. I guess Ms Cound is prompting all this talk from Froome.

bingo bingo

 

[RiccoDinko]

Will heads roll, or a bunch of amnesty?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Get ready to be disappointed.

 

[Unsytherhino]

Get ready to be disappointed.

Strade Bianche, T-A, and P-N to have some very exciting racing this weekend to divert attention from the outcomes of this report.

 

[the sceptic]

Get ready to be disappointed.

My guess is the report will say doping stopped in 2011 except for a few bad apples that don't speak english

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

It will be a 'bring your own can of worms' reading.

 

[D-Queued]

My guess is the report will say doping stopped in 2011 except for a few bad apples that don't speak english

What is it about the culture of the non-english that so underscores their proclivity for doping?

Dave.

 

[ebandit]

mote

What is it about the culture of the non-english that so underscores their proclivity for doping?

Dave.

more non english speaking cyclists..............more dopers.............simples

Mark L

 

[sniper]

more non english speaking cyclists..............more dopers.............simples

Mark L

nice troll unless you have some data to support this.

 

[Rollthedice]

My guess is the report will say doping stopped in 2011 except for a few bad apples that don't speak english

Doping can be summarized in a four letter word. Vino. Everything else is clean, especially the guy who shocked even "Schumi" with his VAM in a February stage race.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Will heads roll, or a bunch of amnesty?

Amnesty? It's the cleanest peloton ever. You didn't know doping stopped in 2006?

Except Vino. Vino is a witch. It's a fact. Because, you know, it's athletes that dope by themselves.

The UCI is rewriting the CIRC's report right now. I'm still interested in reading who they strike out at who is still around besides Vino.

 

[sniper]

Doping can be summarized in a four letter word. Vino. Everything else is clean, especially the guy who shocked even "Schumi" with his VAM in a February stage race.

i guess they have to be somewhat careful with Vino too though.
he may have had a contact or two in the anglophone cycling world.
i wouldn't be surprised if some of his dope suppliers/enablers/docs are/have been also in business with anglophone/germanic riders.
he'll be thrown under the bus, but i wouldnt be surprised if they give him options to crawl from under the wheels and remain in cycling. That or a decent '****-off' bonus.
just saying, i don't think anybody wants Vino to sing like a canary.

 

[DirtyWorks]

just saying, i don't think anybody wants Vino to sing like a canary.

It would be like the Fuentes trial. Don't p!ss the guy off.

Your approach would be the safest move for the UCI. Cookson seems smart like this. Sadly, I wish they'd give him the Verbruggen/McQuaid blacklist so he goes nuclear.

 

[etymology]

just saying, i don't think anybody wants Vino to sing like a canary.

vino like cold. vino like heat. vino like rain. vino like snow. vino attack just because he can. vino have no remorse. vino never apologize. vino no sing like canary - vino no sing, ever.


d.

 

[sniper]

vino like cold. vino like heat. vino like rain. vino like snow. vino attack just because he can. vino have no remorse. vino never apologize. vino no sing like canary - vino no sing, ever.


d.

vino may sing like a tropical bird or not.
my guess is there are players out there who simply don't want to find out.

 

[D-Queued]

nice troll unless you have some data to support this.

Ahem

With a little poetic license on equating Anglo-Saxon culture with English speaking, there is this tidbit from the past:

From January 2007 (notably ahead of the Freiburg, Rabobank, Rasmussen scandals, Riis admissions, etc., etc.):

Citing "Anglo-Saxon countries such as Great Britain (Leinders, Roche, Kelly, Yates, etc., etc.), Holland (Rabobank, Leinders, see also Hein Verbruggen), Germany (Freiburg) and Denmark (Rasmussen, Riis admissions)"

..."There is a clash going on at the moment between two cultures, the Anglo-Saxon culture and what I might call the mafia Western European culture" McQuaid said.

"...it is very important that at the end of the day the Anglo-Saxon approach wins out because if it doesn't, then the sport is doomed."

Dave.

 

[TheSpud]

'sky' blue n black rubber bracelets

not like that bloody dress thing then, surely ...

 

[TheSpud]

Where did I say I wanted Froome to talk to them?

He is obviously never going to talk about his doping or doping withing sky/british cycling so why should I care? It's all for PR, so people like you can sleep easier at night.

So, lets try a discussion rather than an argument.

I didn't say you wanted Froome to talk to them. I questioned why you would be unhappy with him talking to them given you think he's a doper, and CIRC is all about doping. Thats all.

 

[mrhender]

So, lets try a discussion rather than an argument.

I didn't say you wanted Froome to talk to them. I questioned why you would be unhappy with him talking to them given you think he's a doper, and CIRC is all about doping. Thats all.

Let's hear your opinion if you don't mind?

-Why do you think he talked to the CIRC..?
-Do you think it was by his own initiative?
-What do you imagine he contributed with?

Furthermore what do you think of the fact that he talked to them and chose to tell the press about it, right around the time Brailsford proclaimed yet another looking forward/taking responsabilty for cyclings future -mantra?

In your honest opinion -is it sincere?

 

[mrhender]

It would be like the Fuentes trial. Don't p!ss the guy off.

Your approach would be the safest move for the UCI. Cookson seems smart like this. Sadly, I wish they'd give him the Verbruggen/McQuaid blacklist so he goes nuclear.

I'll bet a few bucks that no money changed hands directly..

I'am guessing Astana is letting him go with some nice pension meanwhile they have insured their licence.... That is the deal...

 

[mrhender]

I'am also not so sure that this report will be a complete whitewash...

Some of it may even be interesting reading...

And I don't think the UCI is rewriting the report before release....

People have to make their minds up..

-Either the comission witheld investigation into fragile areas.

-Or they did their best and the uci may or may not exclude potential bombshells...

There might be some pieces missing in the puzzle, but really there is no point in ordering a report you know you have to edit full gas....

The tipping point for me is what the report will amount to...

Not necessarilly in terms of sanctions as i get the impression that was not the main idea from the beginning (rather a natural consequense should ADRV be uncovered) But in terms of altering the structure of anti-doping and remove potential in-house obstacles for performing real anti-doping meassures...

 

[TheSpud]

Let's hear your opinion if you don't mind?

-Why do you think he talked to the CIRC..?
-Do you think it was by his own initiative?
-What do you imagine he contributed with?

Furthermore what do you think of the fact that he talked to them and chose to tell the press about it, right around the time Brailsford proclaimed yet another looking forward/taking responsabilty for cyclings future -mantra?

In your honest opinion -is it sincere?

TBH I have no idea why he talked and whether he was invited. I would be surprised if he was specifically invited, unless of course they have invited all tour winners for the last 15 years. I'm not sure what he could have contributed - maybe he saw stuff in the past. Maybe they wanted a modern viewpoint. Maybe Contador and Nibali spoke to them but decided to stay quiet. I don't know.

I haven't seen the Brailsford mantra you talk about so cant comment. One thing I do know, regardless of what you (ie us) think of Froome (clean or not), he is definitely not the sharpest knife in the block and when he does talk its often very cringeworthy - that doesn't make him more or less likely a doper in my mind.

What I dont think people can do is just sit there and rip shreds off him just for meeting CIRC because they don't like him / suspect him. There is no logic in that.

 

[Bronstein]

What I dont think people can do is just sit there like some people and rip shreds off him just for meeting CIRC because they don't like him / suspect him. There is no logic in that.

You can if you already believe that he is a doper.