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[markene2]

Where are you guys getting the report??

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Where are you guys getting the report??

4 posts up...

 

[hrotha]

They talked to a grand total of 16 riders?

(And that's counting retired riders and even Joe ****ing Papp)

 

[Freddythefrog]

Page 121 Pretty damning about DCOs. "The Anti-doping tax".

The wrong people being used. UCI did not want to discover any dopers, they just wanted to be seen to be doing the right thing. What we knew all along.

 

[D-Queued]

They talked to a grand total of 16 riders?

(And that's counting retired riders and even Joe ****ing Papp)

Really ???

(That is also counting Lance 'I'm not telling you anything' Armstrong)

Dave.

 

[luckyboy]

"Seized documents from Conconi in proceedings against him apparently however showed that Moser had been treated with EPO around that time" referring to his hour record attempts in 1984

 

[luckyboy]

Looks like Zorzoli is gonna be hanging around!

 

[D-Queued]

Report online now:

http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/actualite/2015-03-08-cyclisme-dopage.htm

Thanks.

Though there are many, many questions left unsatisfactorily answered, the report is harsher on the UCI / Armstrong than I expected.

- Underscores the TUE backdating
- Failed to target test him even though he was flagged on the suspicion index
- Reduced the scope of and heavily edited the Vrijman report
- Allowed Armstrong's 'team' to heavily edit the Vrijman report

Thus, the acknowledgements on the Vrijman report - which are entirely consistent with Lance's tactics - come at least as a small victory for truth in this mess.

Dave.

 

[Netserk]

"Seized documents from Conconi in proceedings against him apparently however showed that Moser had been treated with EPO around that time" referring to his hour record attempts in 1984

1984 = Transfusions
1994 = EPO

No?

 

[hrotha]

Really ???

(That is also counting Lance 'I'm not telling you anything' Armstrong)

Dave.

Even worse, they call them "Riders/former riders" but the only one who isn't retired is Froome. This is hilarious.

 

[luckyboy]

That is a quote from the report, mentioning EPO

 

[Netserk]

They talked to a grand total of 16 riders?

(And that's counting retired riders and even Joe ****ing Papp)

39 of those who were interviewed were anonymous. From the percentages I think around 10 in the riders category did so.

It certainly surprised me not to see any of the Garmin riders who testified against Lance named.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

90 per cent of TUEs were used for performance-enhancing reason

Such abuse. The one thing that should have come out of the report is basically that TUE should not be allowed. And if that means some riders aren't allowed to ride because of it then that's unfortunate.

But 90% is a joke.

Only 16 riders? The reasoned decision which just went after Armstrong suspended almost as many.

 

[markene2]

Wait what, it seems that both Riis and Vino spoke to CIRC... Then the bull**** by our UCI overlord falls to pices

 

[neineinei]

Even worse, they call them "Riders/former riders" but the only one who isn't retired is Froome. This is hilarious.

Only the ones agreeing to have their name disclosed are named. 135 names are listed while they say they interviewed 174. So there are 39 who didn't want their name disclosed. Most of them are probably riders or staff, Quite possibly most of them are former riders. But from the sanctions lists we know that Santambrogio and Reda had their sanctions cut by CIRC.

Froome, Santa & Reda. The last two only to have their ban cut. Says quite a lot in itself about the state of affairs in the current peloton.

 

[Netserk]

Only the ones agreeing to have their name disclosed are named. 135 names are listed while they say they interviewed 174. So there are 39 who didn't want their name disclosed. Most of them are probably riders or staff, Quite possibly most of them are former riders. But from the sanctions lists we know that Santambrogio and Reda had their sanctions cut by CIRC.

Froome, Santa & Reda. The last two only to have their ban cut. Says quite a lot in itself about the state of affairs in the current peloton.

It says 15% were riders on page 18. So that's ~26.

So roughly 4 anonymous team personal and 10 anonymous riders. That is if I have understood things correctly.

 

[filipo]

First reaction, upon reading the list or interviewees: You've got to be kucfing kidding me. That's it?!

 

[sir fly]

CIRC adds its concern that only one laboratory, Cologne, was capable of detecting the amount of clenbuterol in Contador's sample.

Looks like targeted testing to me.
Considering it was his final season with Astana, could have been a tip-off that secured Astana clean sheets for the coming generation.
Only someone deeply involved in the systematic activities inside the team could have known what to search for in certain sample.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Looks like targeted testing to me.
Considering it was his final season with Astana, could have been a tip-off that secured Astana clean sheets for the coming generation.
Only someone deeply involved in the systematic activities inside the team could have known what to search for in certain sample.

No. The system does not operate like that.

Some lab got the positive and someone, somewhere leaked it.

Report DOES confirm the UCI was hiding positives. The good news is now that anti-doping is "independent" even though it's still run by UCI employees at the UCI. All good.

 

[DirtyWorks]

First reaction, upon reading the list or interviewees: You've got to be kucfing kidding me. That's it?!

??? CIRC proves doping is isolated to athletes doing everything alone. Good thing they talked to Froome.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Hey, c'mon now!

They confirm the UCI has a history of loose financial management and apparently spends quite a bit of cash. Not ACH or cheque, cold, hard, cash. Also asked how it is possible to spend 2 million CHF in two months. :

They took a shot at Makarov at the end... Apparently he controls a block of some 30 votes through a parliamentary trick.

Plenty of straight-up nonsense in there too. Winner! Winner! Turkey dinner!! Vrijman 2.0.

2015 is going to be spectacular. Just over the top.

 

[luckyboy]

Good to see re-testing mentioned.

The 2008 Giro samples must be knocking around in a fridge somewhere right. Right?

 

[IzzyStradlin]

So who could this be?

It also appears that team organised doping is more likely still to take place at lower levels of competition, where anti-doping efforts are less concentrated. The Commission was told of a team below the UCI WorldTour recently involved in doping. It was claimed that the team manager and sports director brought a nutritionist into the team who advised a selected group of riders within the team on a doping programme. The instructions were to administer 1000 ml of EPO Zeta every second day after 11pm at night, and alternate in the winter with HGH and Lutrelef, a hormone. Their haematocrit levels were to be tested every third day, and amounts of EPO Zeta reduced to 500 ml as the season approached. The nutritionist owned a gym, through which substances were procured from Eastern Europe. Other riders were said to have procured substances via a hospital and a pharmacy more locally. It was further explained that the team manager was also a senior person in a prominent anti-doping movement, and had later on introduced strong antidoping clauses in the team contracts, including the imposition of significant fines for anyone caught doping.

 

[TANK91]

I wonder what Sniper thinks of Contador being protected?.

 

[Morbius]

So roughly 4 anonymous team personal and 10 anonymous riders. That is if I have understood things correctly.

Just for help calculating the precise numbers, there are former riders included under "Team Personnel" but not under "Riders / Former Riders" (e.g. Riis, Vino, Vaughters), and some people are named under two categories (e.g. Bob Stapleton).