I didn't invent anything, it's all been said in the tribunal re. the order and paper trail, so certainly no strawman argument, I'm just not agreeing with your belief Freeman's words (probably taken out of context by Lawton anyway) must be be ridiculous based on the fact the order is so very visible and recorded, it really is almost like he didn't think he was actually doing anything wrong until Burt intercepted it and took it to Peters. If we now assume, it really was for Sutton, Freeman's lack of evasive measures to hide his ordering might mean it really wasn't for an athlete. It's just an opposing view, I'm not quoting you to create strawman arguments whatsoever, you even say this is your belief, so...this is mine!