MarkvW said:I'd bet Horner is reflecting the consensus attitude of the peloton.
“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.”
spetsa said:When will these idiots just shut their traps. Now Horner claims that he has been tested 500-1000 times himselfIf he makes it through the season without being implicated by USADA, it will be a miracle. Remember folks, his participation with Johan was post 2005, a period that we haven't heard much about yet.
When Johan fails to step foot in the US for arbitration, and another reasoned decision is realeased, Honer is going to look like the tool that he is.
frenchfry said:In fact, the rules are that doping is banned in cycling. The use of banned products or techniques are subject to sanctions.
Doping tests are only one way of determining if there is transgression of the rules.
BillytheKid said:The actual quote: "So do you take all the tests, 500, 1000, I don't know the number I've done in my own career and you basically say, that you took them for no reason?"
Of course dumb rocks would take the first part of the quote, clip it and create a lie in an effort to associate him with Armstrongs comments on the number of teast. Horner has no idea of the number of test he's taken. He speaking metaphorically. A lot of tests...he says directly, "I don't know the number." The point he makes is valid. All test are now questionable. Or is it, "will question your tests Chris, but ignore those of, oh let's say Tom Boonen or anyone else. Horner's similar interviewed with Velo News sum it up best when he said I did not race with those guys. (Postal).
I guess guilt by association is acceptable, but limited to the individual. Let see Contador: Liberty..Discover...Astana...Saxo, but will look the other way on that.
"Yeh, that's the ticket."
The fact is Horner has not made millions in his career and has seen his share of
hypocracy, but is only trying to make a living. The American outsider, who got an only offer from Bruyneel or bust. Many have to work for money and put up with the bull@#%! in a lot jobs everyday. The working person can relate. Horner is just pointing out the hypocrits and favortism of the summer past.
Take a hike.
spetsa said:So I'm a "dumb rock" huh? FU
Dumb rocks are a bunch of cat 1s from CA that would dope themselves up to only help Chris propel himself to a return to Euro racing. The guy is a tool. Always has been and always will be. His words are more desperation than idocy however. He is finished.
BillytheKid said:Sounds like your on the bar stool more than the saddle shouting at the T.V. in sports bar mode. The sad thing is all the back stabing we Americans are engaging in. They must rolling with laughter over other side of the ocean. If he did, then so what. Is the sport clean? Is any sport clean? You clearly misqouted him with a cheap shot cut and paste job. Your just PO'd becuase I called you on it.
The Big Dog is Down and so is the sport here, perhaps the disired result in a comptetive world. I was a tooled for 20 years in every regular job I had. The song remains the same.
BillytheKid said:They must rolling with laughter over other side of the ocean.
spetsa said:Billy, nice try. People like you want to pretend that some only care about LA and that is far from the truth. The majority of the people who have problems with the actions of LA are just as upset about the likes of Contador etc. We love cycling. I am sorry that you love Lance.
Race Radio said:Like we rolled with laughter when CONI took down Basso,Scarponi, Dilucca, Ricco, etc? Will you roll with laughter when Ferrari's list of 70 is exposed?
Lance is not the sport. The sport has moved on.....maybe it is time you did as well?
BillytheKid said:snip................................
You get to be Cat. 2 and the Cat. 1's/pros where all like the same guy. "Get off the #$%^&#* front" was the basic attitude. I don't love LA, I just don't see him as much different than the rest of the top tier. I was disgusted in the end of my racing day cause they're all the same guy. LA had talent. Abused it with PEDs. Had cancer and beat it. Went on with super PEDs. The big story and big fame went to his head, but also created envy and resentment from those who got popped because they could not figure out they did not hold the same cards as a cancer suvivor with a big story. They themselves, like the LA comeback, were more over the top in thinking that it could go on and on. Sport is not a nice-guy arena. It should have rules and PEDs are rightly banned. It's not for the love of Lance that I post. The hypocracy of it all is more the matter.
Horner is just pointing that out. He was never in their club anyway.
BillytheKid said:A good point. Shall we stopped this bleeding?
pedaling squares said:Refusing to go down the road means declining to answer or deflecting the question, not resorting to nonsense like "Lance won... he passed all the tests." Especially since neither point is true. The man either:
a) expects a post-retirement gig,
b) is a simpleton, or
c) thinks that we are all simpletons, in which case see b).
It certainly seems like it...the delgados said:I see your point, but saying what he said doesn't make make him an idiotic Lance-loving doping apologist.
the delgados said:Tom375:
I totally agree with you about the need to sort things out.
However, Horner neither denies nor tries to pretend nothing happened. He simply said that the anti-doping rules were not stringent enough to catch the dopers. There's nothing particularly offensive about that.
the delgados said:Tom375:
I totally agree with you about the need to sort things out.
However, Horner neither denies nor tries to pretend nothing happened. He simply said that the anti-doping rules were not stringent enough to catch the dopers. There's nothing particularly offensive about that.