Colombia - Coldeportes

[Escarabajo]

But Corti is the DS- he "must" address the logistics prior to the races & make sure the riders have clear objectives to achieve- instead of simply "sending them to races to see how much they can get for nothing"---that's wrong & he knows better after what he did to Soler back in the day with Barloworld...

He'll probably make the adjustments for next season. In Barloworld he had other riders that he could shuffle around for races. Not only Soler and Cardenas. I don't consider that what Soler did in Barloworld was a failure. There is so much that the DS can control when a rider is prone to crashes. Even after Barloworld Soler was still crashing.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.

we aren't expectign too much at all. atapuma shows in one day something incredible. he's not their best rider. duarte and suarez are better at least. that is saying something. the traveling is a little problem. a big problem is their 16 man roster. ridiuclous!! who mad ethat up? comcel have 24 riders! wtf? I hope some comcel riders are going to be transfered during the season to coldeportes. at least they are in good shave and have good base.

I think you can do base training in middle of the seaosn. if you take rest before you do it. act as if it's winter. start all over again because now this season will be endless and destructive to their engines and morale

pantano went way to deep in his first races and is now injured. he is overtired. because he lacks the base and he went to deep in strade bianche and tirreno.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

He'll probably make the adjustments for next season. In Barloworld he had other riders that he could shuffle around for races. Not only Soler and Cardenas. I don't consider that what Soler did in Barloworld was a failure. There is so much that the DS can control when a rider is prone to crashes. Even after Barloworld Soler was still crashing.

agreed. corti didn't **** up soler. soler f'd up himself with teh crashes but he was never send to races injured. soler was always given good training and recovery. it's just he crashed a lot and whenever he crashed got injured.

 

[Eric8-A]

Prior to the start of the season, one of their riders said that the fact that they'll be little rest time in between races was going to be hard on them.

 

[hfer07]

He'll probably make the adjustments for next season. In Barloworld he had other riders that he could shuffle around for races. Not only Soler and Cardenas. I don't consider that what Soler did in Barloworld was a failure. There is so much that the DS can control when a rider is prone to crashes. Even after Barloworld Soler was still crashing.

agreed. corti didn't **** up soler. soler f'd up himself with teh crashes but he was never send to races injured. soler was always given good training and recovery. it's just he crashed a lot and whenever he crashed got injured.

Not denying that Soler has some blame-BUT:
you folks might want to go back to 08 when Soler was sent to the Tour with a wrist fracture & a very poor shape-even if he fell down after the fact, and was out of the race-that's simply not the way you send riders to a GT. Should I continue with 09, when he started the Giro with a wrist & a knee injury?

 

[Duartista]

It's certainly true that Soler was sent to races injured. In the last season at Barloworld doctors in Colombia recommended that he take a complete break from racing for a few months to allow his various injuries to heal (mainly his knee), and it was reported that Corti was unhappy. Barloworld sent him to Vuelta a Burgos a couple of weeks after this.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Not denying that Soler has some blame-BUT:
you folks might want to go back to 08 when Soler was sent to the Tour with a wrist fracture & a very poor shape-even if he fell down after the fact, and was out of the race-that's simply not the way you send riders to a GT. Should I continue with 09, when he started the Giro with a wrist & a knee injury?

he didn't start the 2009 giro with an injury. he got tendinitis from a crash during the girop because cavendish had hit hem of his bike

 

[gustavoduncan]

I know, that's the point. Most climbs in Colombia are very long and between 6-8 %. The only climb anywhere near a Punto Veleno/Zoncolan type gradient is Escobero, which was only used once, in recent years at least. Also there was the altitude factor, of course.

there are also this:

and this:

 

[Escarabajo]

Problems continue for the Colombian team:

http://www.revistamundociclistico.c...rte-y-victor-h-pena-fueron-protagonistas.html

El mejor colombiano en la general es ahora el cundinamarqués Fabio Andres Duarte en el puesto 25 a 7:24 segundos del búlgaro, debido a que el corredor Esteban Chaves decidió poner pie en tierra y retirarse de la prueba después de un doble accidente (ayer caído) y hoy chocándose contra un vehículo cuando intentaba entrar de nuevo en el lote principal.

Now crashes. I guess that is part of the learning curve.

 

[will10]

Shame for Chaves. Aside from the massive failure in the queen stage, it's been good to see Marentes, Duarte and Chaves so active this week, good signs.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they are dead tired. that;'s why they have all these injuries. they are run into the ground. someone else should come and oversee the team as a trainer. like saldarriaga and corti only stay as a manager and man with contacts

 

[will10]

Is there any chance of any of the Comcel riders coming across for reinforcements? They don't have enough riders for the program they are riding.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

they won;t do that. again idiots. theyb really need them and unlike coldeportes. comcel riders are in shape

 

[profff]

atapuma and duarte performing very well in ToC, after a period of training in colombia.
the two climbers showed they can compete at the higher level.
now they should stop and recover for the second part of the season.

the team probably will find some confidence and now their season doesn't look completely negative.

probably the confidence will boost their morale for the second part of the season.

duarte should prepare tour of lombardy.
it is not clear what will happen with vuelta colombia: the choice of corti ( and of coldeportes manager) will affect a lot the european season.
imho, they should leve the vuelta to comcel and concentrate on european racing.
b ut i am an european fanboy, they are colombian and the vuelta to them is very important.

they need to bring back suarez to a decent shape

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

good news though. they are all going to colombia to prepare for vuelta colombia. the course sucks but at least they can train and recover there. after vuelta colombia they should be a lot better in europe

 

[will10]

good news though. they are all going to colombia to prepare for vuelta colombia. the course sucks but at least they can train and recover there. after vuelta colombia they should be a lot better in europe

There's no races on the calendar on their website after July, are they coming back to Europe for the Italian classics etc?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yes. they will go back after the vuelta colombia.

 

[Ruudz0r]

an interview with Atapuma

http://cobblesandhills.com/wordpress/2012/06/11/entrevista-darwin-atapuma/

My Spanish isnt super but im able to understand most of it he is saying he wants to go to a European WT Team as soon as possible if Im correct.

¿Te gustaría dar el salto a un equipo europeo a corto plazo?

Sí, sí, me gustaría. Si sigue el proyecto Coldeportes, que es bastante bueno, seguiré aquí, pero sí me gustaría salir a un equipo World Tour en Europa. Ese ha sido mi sueño desde niño y si se da pronto la oportunidad la aprovecharé al máximo.

You guys think he will already leave coldeport next year for a WT team? If so what team would be an interesting team for him.

 

[Escarabajo]

an interview with Atapuma

http://cobblesandhills.com/wordpress/2012/06/11/entrevista-darwin-atapuma/

My Spanish isnt super but im able to understand most of it he is saying he wants to go to a European WT Team as soon as possible if Im correct.

¿Te gustaría dar el salto a un equipo europeo a corto plazo?

Sí, sí, me gustaría. Si sigue el proyecto Coldeportes, que es bastante bueno, seguiré aquí, pero sí me gustaría salir a un equipo World Tour en Europa. Ese ha sido mi sueño desde niño y si se da pronto la oportunidad la aprovecharé al máximo.

You guys think he will already leave coldeport next year for a WT team? If so what team would be an interesting team for him.

He said that he would stay if Coldeportes continues.

I rate Atapuma very high. Especially for GT's. Climbers with good recuperation for GT's are gold. He is one of them. He can go to any Pro-Tour team that needs "gregarios" or leaders with high hopes of high placings on GT.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

atapuma will never be a factor in gt's simply because his itt sucks more than humanly possible. he could become a super szmyd for a colombian leader that can actually timetrial or limit his losses. atapuma is also very unregular.

anyway yesterday another win. the team will really become a factor the final months after having returned to colombia to rest and train properly and being humiliated in the vuelta colombia

 

[BillytheKid]

atapuma will never be a factor in gt's simply because his itt sucks more than humanly possible. he could become a super szmyd for a colombian leader that can actually timetrial or limit his losses. atapuma is also very unregular.

anyway yesterday another win. the team will really become a factor the final months after having returned to colombia to rest and train properly and being humiliated in the vuelta colombia

Atapuma would have won the Mt. Baldy stage of the ToC if he had not sat wheel so much on Horner.

Horner: "I was glad to see Gesink catch him."

http://www.bicycling.com/video/race...8#/search/2012 Tour of California/created/d/1

I'll put it down to Atapuma's director.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

horner showed to be a pathetic loser. atapuma is simply a much better climber than him. but in hindsight everythings easy. atapuma did the right thing and was just narrowly beaten. still the result was nothing. duarte was in abysmal shape and nearly caught gesink at the end. I see them doing a lot better the last few months

 

[BillytheKid]

horner showed to be a pathetic loser. atapuma is simply a much better climber than him. but in hindsight everythings easy. atapuma did the right thing and was just narrowly beaten. still the result was nothing. duarte was in abysmal shape and nearly caught gesink at the end. I see them doing a lot better the last few months

It has nothing to with the riders and everything to do with the tactic. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but 2 riders are not going to make to the end if one starts the gamesmanship 40k out. Like I said, I blame the director for Atapuma's loss, not him. He's a young rider with a lot of talent, but with some things to learn. In the last three TDF that Horner has finished: 18th, 9th, 13th, typical placing of a good climber who's in a domestique role. I guess that makes him a loser to some.

But again, I was taking about the tactic. It did not make sense, and in the end, he paid for it. Horner can't sprint and Atapuma's team car should have known it.

 

[rantanplan]

Quite impresive their performance in Vuelta a Burgos!

Cháves great, beating Henao and Antón in the queen stage

Atapuma good in the overrall and the other in lots of breakaways (Pantano have a great future as well)

 

[Lupetto]

Chaves just won Gp Città di Camaiore.