Colombia - Coldeportes

[Ryo Hazuki]

Turkey's next for them. Lets see if they can get some motivation there from Atapuma's win today.

yeah but the course sucks. only 1 hard stage. which duarte hopefully can win and then also win gc.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Will they be at the Vuelta this year?
It would be epic to see Atapuma v. Contador

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

nobody knows yet. hopefully they have noticed this result. I know that aso demanded chavez and duarte to start in fleche wallonne for them to get an invite. now they know there is more than just them

 

[Eric8-A]

I'd say they still need to prove themselves more than just today's victory to gain a GT invite.

 

[spalco]

Does Colombia sell any merchandise? I would like to buy one of their shirts (not a cycling jersey though), but I couldn't find anything on their site.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

great avatar _O_

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'd say they still need to prove themselves more than just today's victory to gain a GT invite.

when you competition for the wildcard is skil(who also do the tour) and andalucia. then I'd say it's enough already

 

[Eric8-A]

The only reason Andalucia gets invited is because they're a Spanish team. But you do make a good point.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I hope this team keeps on improving this year and the next, show themselves in a GT or two and then become WT. They'll become the new Euskaltel

 

[karlboss]

I hope this team keeps on improving this year and the next, show themselves in a GT or two and then become WT. They'll become the new Euskaltel

lol they could merge with greenedge and make a good all around team

 

[Eric8-A]

So no Colombia in any GT this year.

 

[Michele]

That's fair enough; next year it will be their main target.

 

[Escarabajo]

Does somebody else think that Duarte is not the right rider to be the leader of the team? If Ryo is right he is not disciplined enough to be the main leader, maybe a co-leader would be better suited for him. He would have to depend on a more reliable and disciplined kind of guy. He is very explosive only when he wants to ride.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

i think today chavez was better than duarte :/

 

[jens_attacks]

yes chaves is showing progess and he will win soon i think
duarte i have no idea

 

[will10]

They made an error in having Chaves set the pace for so long before Duarte combusted.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Coldeportes came right down to earth today. Perhaps a bit too much celebration after Trentino. Still, I like to see them in TdS this year.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Does somebody else think that Duarte is not the right rider to be the leader of the team? If Ryo is right he is not disciplined enough to be the main leader, maybe a co-leader would be better suited for him. He would have to depend on a more reliable and disciplined kind of guy. He is very explosive only when he wants to ride.

the fact that duarte is out of shape has nothing to do with discipline he is just very unregular because they all lack very bad base. atapuma was great the day he won and sucked the day before. we have corti to thank and the only thing to solve this is stop all racing and go on training camp and rest and come back in june. but corti can/will never do that

 

[Duartista]

the fact that duarte is out of shape has nothing to do with discipline he is just very unregular because they all lack very bad base. atapuma was great the day he won and sucked the day before. we have corti to thank and the only thing to solve this is stop all racing and go on training camp and rest and come back in june. but corti can/will never do that

Not really, he was 14th on the stage. The Pordoi is simply a much more similar kind of climb to what he will have been used to riding in Colombia.

Actually I think Atapuma had benefited from being late with his visa application in February. It meant he flew to Europe a couple of weeks later than the others and had more time to train in decent conditions.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the pordoi is not a stepe climb. a climb that doesn't suit him at all. atapuma in colombia was always great in stepe climbs. about visum you are right. he had 2 extra weeks of training which helped him

 

[Duartista]

the pordoi is not a stepe climb. a climb that doesn't suit him at all. atapuma in colombia was always great in stepe climbs. about visum you are right. he had 2 extra weeks of training which helped him

I know, that's the point. Most climbs in Colombia are very long and between 6-8 %. The only climb anywhere near a Punto Veleno/Zoncolan type gradient is Escobero, which was only used once, in recent years at least. Also there was the altitude factor, of course.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that's not true at all. you simply look at averages but climbs in colombia are way steeper. they are just ver unregular. datapuma has always been great in very steep climbs in colombia and al;s europe. remember last year castilla y leon the hard climb in the middle where only he, quintana, anton, baez and pozzo could follow. that was 14% in final kilometres where they forced. the altitude does help yes

 

[Duartista]

that's not true at all. you simply look at averages but climbs in colombia are way steeper. they are just ver unregular. datapuma has always been great in very steep climbs in colombia and al;s europe. remember last year castilla y leon the hard climb in the middle where only he, quintana, anton, baez and pozzo could follow. that was 14% in final kilometres where they forced. the altitude does help yes

It's true that they are irregular, yes, but still there is nothing to compare to Punto Veleno.

 

[profff]

ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.

 

[hfer07]

ryo, you can train also racing.
that has been done for years in cycling.
the problen is that if you have not made good base training , everything is difficult.
i do not think that you can do base training in the middle of the season.
they just have to select objectives and train fot that racing, not trying to deliver results every week.

you have to admit that the colombians have to adjust to a different reality: they are not used to race one week in belgium and one in turkey, living and aeting for weeks in hotel, travelling, staying away from their families and really racing at a different level.
that is not easy and we see riders like jp suarez completely unable to perform at their expected level.

it is not only corti's mistakes. he made mistakes but there is a combination of factors leading to this situation.

and it seems also worst,because we were unrealistic and expecting too much from many riders.

duarte and suarez are underperforming too much.
atapuma ,pantano and rodriguez are ok
osorio is ill, al the others are invisible.

But Corti is the DS- he "must" address the logistics prior to the races & make sure the riders have clear objectives to achieve- instead of simply "sending them to races to see how much they can get for nothing"---that's wrong & he knows better after what he did to Soler back in the day with Barloworld...