Colombia - Coldeportes

[Duartista]

I think that the transfer to Coldeportes is a step backwards for Duarte if we think about next season. But it is definetely a step forward for the long-term. He wouldn't lead any WT team, and at Coldeportes he will. I don't know about the other offers he had, but if last winter he couldn't find anything better than Geox, why should he find it now? His season wasn't that good.
Probably they won't ride any GT next year, but for 2013 Corti will manage to make them a more appealing team than Colnago, Saur, Skil-Shimano or Caja Rural.

The problem is, he won't be able to make them Italian, Spanish, or French - so getting GT wildcards will be very tough. The struggles of Spanish cycling might give them a chance at the Vuelta.

 

[hrotha]

I wouldn't hold my breath for Coldeportes in 2013. CEP was supposed to represent the comeback of Colombian cycling this year, but they just lost several important riders to Coldeportes. They need a stable project, not a new shiny one every year.

 

[coldeportes]

i wouldn't hold my breath for coldeportes in 2013. Cep was supposed to represent the comeback of colombian cycling this year, but they just lost several important riders to coldeportes. They need a stable project, not a new shiny one every year.

" this is the one "

 

[jens_attacks]

duarte confirmed.coldeportes will ride on bianchi.
i already love this team!

 

[profff]

if "this is the one" , duarte made a good move. he can do well in some short stage races and start to build experience for 2013.
in 2012 he had no chance to lead a WT team n any race. i don't think that this situation would have give any ereaò boost to fabio's experience.
and for his attitude, being a leader for an all colombian team, is a positive situation

@escarabajo: quintana is showing greater ambition than duarte going at movistar

 

[hfer07]

if "this is the one" , duarte made a good move. he can do well in some short stage races and start to build experience for 2013.
in 2012 he had no chance to lead a WT team n any race. i don't think that this situation would have give any ereaò boost to fabio's experience.
and for his attitude, being a leader for an all colombian team, is a positive situation

@escarabajo: quintana is showing greater ambition than duarte going at movistar

there are two factors here-and none of them have to do with Fabio's Skill's-as follows:

1-) What good is for a talented rider like Fabio to lead a team that won't be invited to WT races? I guess to beg & wait for a Wild card spot or worse-to only go to the US races?
2-) What is the truthful commitment of Coldeportes to this enterprise in years to come? we-Colombians-thought that Colombia es Pasion team was called upon to succeed in getting Pro Tour license in a near future-since it's support comes from government & private backing -and yet-there is not such certainty to happen-so what is it that Coldeportes-a very shady sporting institution has to offer at this point that others haven't already had?

 

[Duartista]

I wouldn't hold my breath for Coldeportes in 2013. CEP was supposed to represent the comeback of Colombian cycling this year, but they just lost several important riders to Coldeportes. They need a stable project, not a new shiny one every year.

It hasn't been made entirely clear why funding was withdrawn from CEP and Coldeportes was set up, rather than simply building on the work CEP have been doing for 4-5 years. That said, it seems Coldeportes has the full support of the current Colombian government, so they should be safe until 2014.

 

[Escarabajo]

if "this is the one" , duarte made a good move. he can do well in some short stage races and start to build experience for 2013.
in 2012 he had no chance to lead a WT team n any race. i don't think that this situation would have give any ereaò boost to fabio's experience.
and for his attitude, being a leader for an all colombian team, is a positive situation

@escarabajo: quintana is showing greater ambition than duarte going at movistar

+1.

I imagine it is easy to cross-over from the Movistar Continental to the Movistar-Protour.

 

[Luke Schmid]

Who is the reigning KOM champion, loved by the Tifosi and has prolongued his career by 1 year just for this race.

And Betancour has just won 1 of their major races so is probably more on RCS radar than Duarte.

Colnago aside from Sasha and Dominco, also have Belletti and Pirazzi so good strengh in depth.

Farnese are the weakest imo but still have way more chance of getting an entry than Coledeportes.

Belletti is at AG2R next year.

 

[Race Radio]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...-colombian-backed-coldeportes-for-2012_196647

Duarte and Coldeportes

 

[Eric8-A]

+1.

I imagine it is easy to cross-over from the Movistar Continental to the Movistar-Protour.

Sure seems to work that way with the pro teams that have development team ie Garmin.

 

[profff]

i am not colombian so i cannot say anything about the dynamics of team funding, but I see some positive things in coldeportes project:
-claudio corti is a very experienced manager. ha has been in charge with the great saeco and did well too with the barloword,that had no great funding. corti's experience and background is a good atout for the new team, while saldarriaga was an outsider for european cycling
-coldeportes will be based in europe,in italy exactly. that it is good for training , because the riders have to stay there and prepare for races. their schedule will be mostly european races. it will be a colombian team, but oriented to european races. CEP was a colombian team doing some european races.
- with duarte, coldeportes will have a clear and designed leader, while CEP had many talented young riders , but not a true leader, since quintana was too young.
it is very important if the project has some perspective, otherwise they are just throwing money out of the window.
it is a shame that infantino stays with uni-epm, since a guy with his skill in the mountain and ITT is a potential winner of short stage races , that are the most credible target of the team.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

CEP and EPM-UNE weren't even close to getting an invite. There are precious few spots in the GTs. The Vuelta will surely invite Andalucía, 1t1AbominationofaName, Geox if they still exist, Euskaltel if they don't get into the WT, possibly Caja Rural. Where does Coldeportes fit in? They might have a shot at the Giro but even that is not a given.

What.

cep was very close, the fact that duarte left the team and there was no money meant they didnt want to give an invitation to cep. epm-une aren't even pct so how could they be considered?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Personally, I was really looking forward to seeing him fully fit in the Giro. Unless RCS completely changes policy, the Giro invites will go to Farnese, Colnago, A & S, and Androni, no?

I don't buy the idea that Corti has such great influence. His presence may even be a negative when it comes to dealing with ASO, given what happened in Barloworld's last Tour.

nothing happened in barloworlds last tour besides no one expected barloworld to get an invite in 2007 tour and they did. corti has amazing network.

also I wouldn't bet on colnago being in the giro next year. they've been left out before and rode horribly last years giro

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I had really hoped to see Duarte ride for Contador, that would have been complete carnage. Too bad about Bjarne Riis' money problems.

duarte doesn't like to be a helper. he will never be one. in a few years he will be contadors biggest enemy in the mountains.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That good compare to who? actually I think that after this year he proved that he is a good rider to have in the mountains. This was his first true year in Europe and he made some good development. I doubt that he did not have other offers after what he showed this year. But this is not the first time that he comes back to a Colombian team from Europe. So maybe he is one of those who suffers from being homesick. If that is correct then is too bad because that shows that he can be mentally weak.

And I doubt he is that expensive. Seriously a rider like him is a good bargain for a pro-tour team.

in coldeportes he will make 300.000 at least and be the leader of the team. no european team will give him that.

I remember how everyone hauled at soler leaving axqua after 2006 for barloworld, when acqua got an invite to the giro and a few weeks later barloworld got an invite to the tour and soler made it there

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I mean that his season wasn't as good as it should be so that he could lead a WT team, or so that he could get any better offers than what he got last winter, when he moved to Geox. Of course he made some development and he got offers, but probably these offers weren't any better than the one form Coldeportes.
I don't know if he was homesick, but I think that maybe he moved to Coldeportes because there he will be the team leader, and if he can win a GT, he will have the opportunity there. But would he have it in Saxo, Liquigas or Lampre?

duarte had many more offers than just geox. geox just paid him the most and gianetti has good network in colombia. after 2008 he had 14 pt teams trying to sign him but he didn't want to leave colombia, same with henao who has gotten countless offers

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

there are two factors here-and none of them have to do with Fabio's Skill's-as follows:

1-) What good is for a talented rider like Fabio to lead a team that won't be invited to WT races? I guess to beg & wait for a Wild card spot or worse-to only go to the US races?
2-) What is the truthful commitment of Coldeportes to this enterprise in years to come? we-Colombians-thought that Colombia es Pasion team was called upon to succeed in getting Pro Tour license in a near future-since it's support comes from government & private backing -and yet-there is not such certainty to happen-so what is it that Coldeportes-a very shady sporting institution has to offer at this point that others haven't already had?

read more into the story of how this team has been brought up. then yuo know this team is truly stable. can't be compared to colombia es passion this year at all, look also at the management

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

+1.

I imagine it is easy to cross-over from the Movistar Continental to the Movistar-Protour.

quintana didn't ride for movistar ct.

quintana has amazing ambition but he is like rujano als vulnerable. way more even than duarte

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

i am not colombian so i cannot say anything about the dynamics of team funding, but I see some positive things in coldeportes project:
-claudio corti is a very experienced manager. ha has been in charge with the great saeco and did well too with the barloword,that had no great funding. corti's experience and background is a good atout for the new team, while saldarriaga was an outsider for european cycling
-coldeportes will be based in europe,in italy exactly. that it is good for training , because the riders have to stay there and prepare for races. their schedule will be mostly european races. it will be a colombian team, but oriented to european races. CEP was a colombian team doing some european races.
- with duarte, coldeportes will have a clear and designed leader, while CEP had many talented young riders , but not a true leader, since quintana was too young.
it is very important if the project has some perspective, otherwise they are just throwing money out of the window.
it is a shame that infantino stays with uni-epm, since a guy with his skill in the mountain and ITT is a potential winner of short stage races , that are the most credible target of the team.

thank you, best post here. every word is true.

 

[hfer07]

-claudio corti is a very experienced manager. ha has been in charge with the great saeco and did well too with the barloword,that had no great funding. corti's experience and background is a good atout for the new team, while saldarriaga was an outsider for european cycling

Conti? beg your pardon? the same Conti who nearly destroyed Mauricio Soler's career by putting him to race while being sick & injured? there were numerous complains from Hunter & GThomas on how the team was poorly handled over the last years-and specially when they got popped by the + of Duenas.....
Conti ain't no better than any colombian DS-he just happens to know people in Europe....

 

[Angliru]

I mean that his season wasn't as good as it should be so that he could lead a WT team, or so that he could get any better offers than what he got last winter, when he moved to Geox. Of course he made some development and he got offers, but probably these offers weren't any better than the one form Coldeportes.
I don't know if he was homesick, but I think that maybe he moved to Coldeportes because there he will be the team leader, and if he can win a GT, he will have the opportunity there. But would he have it in Saxo, Liquigas or Lampre?

From what I got from the announcement/article Coldeportes didn't offer Duarte the best offer monetarily. Also he will be one of the team's leaders. It doesn't go into detail as to what his schedule will be nor what races he will be targeting since they have no idea what races they will be able to ride.

 

[profff]

Conti? beg your pardon? the same Conti who nearly destroyed Mauricio Soler's career by putting him to race while being sick & injured? there were numerous complains from Hunter & GThomas on how the team was poorly handled over the last years-and specially when they got popped by the + of Duenas.....
Conti ain't no better than any colombian DS-he just happens to know people in Europe....

I pay great respect to any colombian ds. but claudio corti had a great career with a very important palmares (in terms of GTs and races won by his team) and he has proved to be able to lead winning team (as saeco) or building teams ( like barloworld). he is much better than the beloved gianni savio. corti had also the cons and downs of being part and actor of a cycling era in which the PED play a paramount role and in which funding to italian teams folded..
i do not know any colombian ds with a palmares like corti's. i have very often seen colombian teams ride very aggressively but at the end wasting the chance to win because of the incapacity to face european tactics.
I think that may be even you would have realized that i really like and appreciate colombian cyclists.
anyway if mauricio soler had a career, he must thanks his skills primarily, but also palmiro masciarelli and claudio corti who gave him a chance. after leaving corti, soler was never again that good...

i am not a particular friend or fan of corti, but i am convinced he is a good addition to a colombian team willing to race in europe.
we will see in few days if coldeportes will be accepted as pro conti and which races will enter..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

+1.

I imagine it is easy to cross-over from the Movistar Continental to the Movistar-Protour.

In that case I really hope to see Freddy Montaña in Europe in 2013.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

maye after half season when vuelta colombia ends, he has proven in europe already he is of very high caliber and has only gotten stronger. he was also out for almost 2 years and in a coma after a horrible crash but had an amazing return and should still be able to progress some. he is also quite allround for a colombian