Colombia - Coldeportes

[profff]

for sure. androni is wya better but could be battle between rujano and duarte. they are almost samelevel in climbing but duarte is more unregular. in vuelta colombia 2009 in first mountainstage he gave a show unbelievable but for duarte will be a year to show he can be consistant in a gt because best result in vuelta colombia ever was 15th... although in 2009 he was screwed when all teams started pacing when he had a flat tire in yellow jersey and he had to retire a few days later

Duarte is very strong, good also downhill and explosive in climbing.
In GC he has always had a very bad day. after the vuelta espana i have no clear idea of his level in gt. for sure he can win stages but i am not sure about GC yet.
he can do very well, even better than rigo uran in hilly classics, like LBL. he is very explosive and he can really break apart the peloton.
basso was really impressed by the gear he was using last year at GP Lugano where fabio was second to ivan

 

[Ruudz0r]

soler is taller.

is funny story though osorio rode on a bike way too small for many years until last year when gw contracted him. since then made incredible progress. I read intevriew with himn where he was grateful to his parents who worked veyr hard for him to be able to race and now that he is a pro his family is so happy.

Do you by any chance still have the link to the interview with Osorio?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that's because had could onkly start trianinb again in august. he had zero racing days his season was basically over after the giro start

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Duarte is very strong, good also downhill and explosive in climbing.
In GC he has always had a very bad day. after the vuelta espana i have no clear idea of his level in gt. for sure he can win stages but i am not sure about GC yet.
he can do very well, even better than rigo uran in hilly classics, like LBL. he is very explosive and he can really break apart the peloton.
basso was really impressed by the gear he was using last year at GP Lugano where fabio was second to ivan

100% duarte and also henao have even more potential in classics than uran and in colombia duarte supposedly often didn't train very hard or prepare very well for big races through whatever circumstances. I've heard different things here that's why I give him benefit of the doubt for now because I've rarely sene so much natural class by a rider. every pedle stroke you can see it

I canm't find interview now from osorio. think it was in biciciclismo but can't find anymore

 

[Jakob747]

Do you by any chance still have the link to the interview with Osorio?

Here you go Ruudz0r -

http://www.nuestrociclismo.com/inde...l-caballo-de-fuerza-del-gw-shimano&Itemid=183

 

[Ruudz0r]

Here you go Ruudz0r -

http://www.nuestrociclismo.com/inde...l-caballo-de-fuerza-del-gw-shimano&Itemid=183

Thanks, appreciate it!

 

[Eric8-A]

I guess since they weren't able to get Infantino, they're going to have to rely on Suarez. His climbing and time trialing ain't too bad. Am I right?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

suarez is an incredible downhiller. maybe best in colombia. I would rank him in downhil skills in europe by the best 5 or 10 downhillers. in colombia he rode most of his gc's because of that. the most incredible one was his downhil of la linea in 2010 when he closed nearly 3 minutes to group henao, who isn't a shabby downhiller either.

of course his climbing is good and in europe will be very good and also his timetrialing is very good for a colombian and can only improve

1º 1 CONTADOR, Alberto ESP SAXO BANK-SUNGARD 0:13:42
2º 7 PORTE, Richie AUS SAXO BANK-SUNGARD a 01
3º 18 TONDO, Xavier ESP MOVISTAR TEAM a 03
4º 46 MOLLEMA, Bauke NED RABOBANK CYCLING TEA a 15
5º 32 DOWSETT, Alex GBR SKY PROCYCLING a 19
6º 21 ANTON, Igor ESP EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI a 20
7º 145 SUAREZ, Juan Pablo COL EPM - UNE a 26
8º 146 INFANTINO, Rafael COL EPM - UNE a 31
9º 92 COPPEL, Jerome FRA SAUR SOJASUN a 32
10º 33 FROOME, Christopher GBR SKY PROCYCLING a 38

he is also very fast in sprint and he comes from track and was quite succesful there he was the strongest guy in their pursuit team that rode 3:59 in agualiscientes and so there's a chance that suarez might also focus on london in 2012 as I;ve read that somewhere.

he couldn't possibly be any more allround and as I said last year before he came to europe I said he would probably have the best results because he would be easily adapted to europe and he did

 

[Eric8-A]

he is also very fast in sprint and he comes from track and was quite succesful there he was the strongest guy in their pursuit team that rode 3:59 in agualiscientes and so there's a chance that suarez might also focus on london in 2012 as I;ve read that somewhere.

I was gonna mentione his sprint as well. At this time last year, it was when he caught my attention that he was winning some races. Can't really recall them. But I kept a closer eye on him this year and found him to be a great rider.

His time trial was also good in Colorado

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yes although I don't think he was in very good shape there. basically after rio de janeiro he got less. also in rcn didn't ride well and seemed empty after long and hard season. he also crashed in spain in the timetrial of asturias which hurt him a bit and his results from then on.

 

[Angliru]

for sure. androni is wya better but could be battle between rujano and duarte. they are almost samelevel in climbing but duarte is more unregular. in vuelta colombia 2009 in first mountainstage he gave a show unbelievable but for duarte will be a year to show he can be consistant in a gt because best result in vuelta colombia ever was 15th... although in 2009 he was screwed when all teams started pacing when he had a flat tire in yellow jersey and he had to retire a few days later

I recall reading about this in an article about the race in one of the cycling mags. Do you remember at what point in the race this occurred? I was excited to see him doing so well since I'd been following his career since his U-23 WC road win. Do you think he could have hung on for the overall win had he not retired from the race (Vuelta Columbia)?

 

[Angliru]

if osorio loses some weight he can become a better botero- great rouleur, great climber , an indurain like rider.
if atapuma learns to stand the speed of the peloton in the european races without destroying himself he can really be outstanding in climbing.

i trust claudio corti 's experience . they all have to run in a more tactical way to really be a factor in european races. even duarte, that is the one with the best skills also from a tactical standpoint, has a lot to learn: do you remember him attacking always too early and too stronglly in the basque country?

anf then if corti keeps them in europe training and racing, they all will do well. if he allows them back in colombia after the first successes, well, i do not know.
duarte last year started the season very well , because he was very motivated and well trained. then after the knee injury at the giro, where he was very strong,he went back to colombia and the vuelta was quite average ( with the exception of a good angliru stage) and also he did not shine in post vuelta races.

Funny thing is, Philipe Gilbert had the same problem early in his career. He would often attack at il-advised moments and it's only within the past 3 seasons that he's really got his timing and tactical sense down. I think Duarte has a really bright future and with another season under his belt he should really start to display what a big talent he is. One could see the progress he was making in being more patient and less impulsive as the season progressed.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I recall reading about this in an article about the race in one of the cycling mags. Do you remember at what point in the race this occurred? I was excited to see him doing so well since I'd been following his career since his U-23 WC road win. Do you think he could have hung on for the overall win had he not retired from the race (Vuelta Columbia)?

it happened around halfway teh stage I believed. with still over 100 km to go I think. duarte had a flat tire and boyaca started pacing like mad and other teams joint in. I remember reaiding interview with rudy pevenage who was there as director for rock racing and he said he couldn;'t believe what he saw. like 30 guys were pacing the peloton for 2 hours in 50 km/h average. duarte finished 9 minutes behind with a group of helpers although not all had dropped back to help him... duarte wasn't liked in the team supposedly because he didn't train very hard and some teammates resented working for him when he called for help. I think mostly the older guys like pena. few days later duarte retired from the race being literally sick of the effort he had done that day to get back, that's how deep he went

 

[Duartista]

it happened around halfway teh stage I believed. with still over 100 km to go I think. duarte had a flat tire and boyaca started pacing like mad and other teams joint in. I remember reaiding interview with rudy pevenage who was there as director for rock racing and he said he couldn;'t believe what he saw. like 30 guys were pacing the peloton for 2 hours in 50 km/h average. duarte finished 9 minutes behind with a group of helpers although not all had dropped back to help him... duarte wasn't liked in the team supposedly because he didn't train very hard and some teammates resented working for him when he called for help. I think mostly the older guys like pena. few days later duarte retired from the race being literally sick of the effort he had done that day to get back, that's how deep he went

To add to this, apparently the other team cars blocked the CeP team car to slow down the wheel change. There was an interview with Duarte (conducted by a forum member here, I believe) in one of the 'Desde la cuneta' magazines (the August one I think) where he talks about the incident.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the roadblocking story has happened more often in fact. one of the most famous ones was in 2006 buenahora was riding for zulia a big wealthy venezuelan team and he was in leaders jersey in the last stage but he had no teammates basically because almost all had retired up to that point. after some mountains buenahora had a flat tire and was withotu teammates and the organisation put up a roadblock so his teamcar couldn't get to him. the organisation of vuelta of course being from bogota/cundinamarca they wanted pedraza to win the vuelta. buenahora desiliusionised and mad retired from the race and at finishline broke out riots.the organisation got bit in the *** though because not pedraza won the vuelta but libardo nino who was from boyaca.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvwjgswoE7A&feature=related

good showing of suarez' amazing sprinting power. last year in vuelta guatemala. he beat here robert bush, sprinter, who is going to garmin next year I think?

 

[Eric8-A]

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11126&Itemid=74Is that what their bike's gonna look like?

 

[canyonball]

No. If we are to believe in the text, the team will use a Bianchi Sempre. The picture is of a Bianchi Oltre (with an Androni colour scheme).

 

[Eric8-A]

I was looking to see if I could have spotted the Coldeportes logo or something.

 

[El Pistolero]

Funny thing is, Philipe Gilbert had the same problem early in his career. He would often attack at il-advised moments and it's only within the past 3 seasons that he's really got his timing and tactical sense down. I think Duarte has a really bright future and with another season under his belt he should really start to display what a big talent he is. One could see the progress he was making in being more patient and less impulsive as the season progressed.

Mind you, Phil often attacked early at Liège because he didn't have good legs and decided to get some camera time at least. Phil often peaked too early which led to him being burned out after Milan-San Remo.

 

[profff]

duarte is a true talent but has complete different qualities than gilbert.
the real problem with duart is his mind attitude to train hard. when he is well prepared he could be a real factor both in hilly classics and in mountain stages.
in gc in grand tours we still do not know , but he has qualities and if he is able to recover he will do very well.
about hilly classics you have to consider that he is not too bad in sprinting even if he lost to basso (!!!!!) in gp lugano.
then , i do not know what he could do in a colombian team in a hilly one day race, because colombians are not used to this kind of racing.
uran was good at LBL and in other hard one day races, but he was racing for sky...

anyway , as betancourt proved in giro dell' emilia and in lombardia, the best colombians can do well in these races.
betancourt is just 22 and next year if he will train and prepare properly he will show great things.
remember that duarte is , at this moment, more experienced and probably stronger than betancourt..

 

[jens_attacks]

the real problem with duart is his mind attitude to train hard. when he is well prepared he could be a real factor both in hilly classics and in mountain stages.

he will be forced to train,now he's a team leader.my biggest worry is to not injury himself,he looked sharp in giro untill the crash

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

duarte is a true talent but has complete different qualities than gilbert.
the real problem with duart is his mind attitude to train hard. when he is well prepared he could be a real factor both in hilly classics and in mountain stages.
in gc in grand tours we still do not know , but he has qualities and if he is able to recover he will do very well.
about hilly classics you have to consider that he is not too bad in sprinting even if he lost to basso (!!!!!) in gp lugano.
then , i do not know what he could do in a colombian team in a hilly one day race, because colombians are not used to this kind of racing.
uran was good at LBL and in other hard one day races, but he was racing for sky...

anyway , as betancourt proved in giro dell' emilia and in lombardia, the best colombians can do well in these races.
betancourt is just 22 and next year if he will train and prepare properly he will show great things.
remember that duarte is , at this moment, more experienced and probably stronger than betancourt..

in colombia many races are also hilly. they are adapted to it as they show in italy for years see also rubiano and serpa.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he will be forced to train,now he's a team leader.my biggest worry is to not injury himself,he looked sharp in giro untill the crash

not everyone agrees that he never trained hard. duarte himself said certain thigns happening in his private life is what caused these problems. he trained very hard last year for geox season and was doing terrific until giro crash

 

[profff]

in colombia many races are also hilly. they are adapted to it as they show in italy for years see also rubiano and serpa.

for sure they have the quality for going well in hilly races, as individuals , no doubt about that. duarte his explosive and he can stand the distance. but , as a team , i do not think that coldeportes could be immediately a factor in this kind of races. the problem is race tactic: helper able to pull hard between cotes , team work, people able to bring you in the front and protect the captain. rubiano and serpa have been doing well in italian team, with italian gregarios, real master in race tactic. the only colombian with this kind of experience is pena and he is in his descending phase, very old .