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Committee tells conference organiser to drop drug cheat Floyd Landis

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Bad sign on horizon of stifling of open and productive academic debate.
De akin College could possibly caves in to a Cycling Australia mafia

huhuhuhu please what do you mean sir AUSTRALIA hes not a Cycling mafia and therefore ask you too retract your insults and an apology
 
Garrans should count himself lucky and thank Landis. When SG entered the Pro ranks its a vastly different world to when Landis turned Pro. Gerrans has a choice whether to dope or not as team pressures to do so are now are very much limited. Back in Landis's day you were cut from a team or chased down by the yellow jersey if you didn't want to dope. Its guys like Floyd who took the fall so guys like Gerrans can ride today without that pressure. Simon should be shaking Floyd's hand.
 

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JPM London said:
Well, it doesn't really... Unless you assume that any rider, from any team, that LA happens to take a ride with is then automatically invited and included in LA's "preparation" regime. With all the revelations over the time, what it seems from both Landis and Andreu you'd have to be in the inner circle to be included in anything. However, I agree it doesn't look good!



Agree 100% - It's so incredibly annoying that so many cycling insiders seem to believe that it's the talking about doping that will drive people away from the sport and not the doping itself. Funnily enough the talking about doping is actually keeping me closer to the sport as you at least feel it's not being ignored.

Another funny thing - If LA were to say he'd be happy to ride the TDU next year they'd probably love it! So from an organising point of view FL is considered bad news while LA is good news - although he's the one being investigated currently...



Ditto! In fact, there are probably hundreds of riders they could call in who would have no impact whatsoever...
It is OK to talk on the inside but to share truth with outsiders who do not know the truth will turn a lot of fans cyclists parents off. The status quo. innocent or dirty need to know that. People like LeMond and Walsh I imagine do not know the damage they are causing, while individuals like Simeoni and Landis would like to cause anarachy and torch cycling.
 
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It is OK to talk on the inside but to share truth with outsiders who do not know the truth will turn a lot of fans cyclists parents off. The status quo. innocent or dirty need to know that. People like LeMond and Walsh I imagine do not know the damage they are causing, while individuals like Simeoni and Landis would like to cause anarachy and torch cycling.

garbage! garbage! garbage!

I don't know a single parent of a young rider that is NOT, very happy to hear that LeMond, Landis, et al are doing what they can to clean up the sport. And hearing the seriousness of the details only makes them happier as it gives it strength

It would be a very simple mind indeed to think that the average parent in the street did NOT believe 100% that cycling is a very dirty - drug fuelled sport. This type of publicity regarding efforts to clean up the sport are a positive thing. not a negative.
 

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Martin318is said:
garbage! garbage! garbage!

I don't know a single parent of a young rider that is NOT, very happy to hear that LeMond, Landis, et al are doing what they can to clean up the sport. And hearing the seriousness of the details only makes them happier as it gives it strength

It would be a very simple mind indeed to think that the average parent in the street did NOT believe 100% that cycling is a very dirty - drug fuelled sport. This type of publicity regarding efforts to clean up the sport are a positive thing. not a negative.
I guess you do not go to the races I go to. Most of the talented riders u23 jrs. are wearing yellow bands or do not want to say jack, and I am not going to say jack to them about doping. the masters look juiced to me. I am sure you have kids. I do to and they have their minds made up about drug use. Do you think Novitsky or LeMond or Landis has the respect of our kids? Do you think Gregs' son listens to Greg about drug use? You are dreaming.
 
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I guess you do not go to the races I go to. Most of the talented riders u23 jrs. are wearing yellow bands or do not want to say jack, and I am not going to say jack to them about doping. the masters look juiced to me. I am sure you have kids. I do to and they have their minds made up about drug use. Do you think Novitsky or LeMond or Landis has the respect of our kids? Do you think Gregs' son listens to Greg about drug use? You are dreaming.

Are you saying that sticking your head in the sand is better than being realistic?

Do you think kids are not capable of listening to different viewpoints and seeing merit in tackling a complex situation honestly? If in your view they are not, then I suggest this is because they have been taught, by their elders, to sugarcoat and pretend, rather than to be truthful, aka as the PR-spin approach to life.
 
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My sources tell me an ex Governor of Victoria, a Simon Bracks, is on the hosting committee, and he also is the chairperson of the foundation that receives donations to the university. In this case, manifest conflict of interest. He is lending pressure to the chancellor, and it is coming down on conference organiser Hardie.

Folks, just put in a reply to their web portal, and say something to the equivalent of cycling requires open discourse that is a founding tenet of academia, and should be protected.

I think you mean former Premier, Steve Bracks.

Woops. Already corrected. Governor generals are like a mini head of state (non nation). They are who you go to call an election. Chosen by parliament. Premiers are the leaders of the elected party in the lower house of parliament which formed govt. Steve Bracks was a tool. He ironically left politics because his teenage son went on a bender and crashed the family car whilst plastered out of his mind. Caused a lot of damage politically and physically. Kid was ok, but was in a messed up state. Daddy had been neglecting the family so to make amends he left politics. Irony is this conference is about protecting the youth of today and tomorrow from bad choices, educating them and making sure they are protected and by the sounds of it, douchebag Bracks is trying to stop this. Probably doesn't want everyone to find out how much doping the VIS and AIS encourages behind closed doors. Bracks is a hypocrit and a coward if he is advocating Landis be blocked. It goes against his own professional career choices. Wait...he is a Labor man...no shock there, they're all thick, corrupt and stand against deceny and accountability.

Let Floyd speak. He will educate many. There is a great deal to be learnt from his mistakes and errors. Put it this way, the same line of thinking that has allowed people to behave like Floyd did in the past, cannot be used to correct and deter others from behaving in such a manner in the future. People need to know what happens, the how, the why, the motives, methodology and all the ins and outs. Cowering from the truth and shunning responsibility is pathetic. "It'll sour and tarnish cycling." Most competitive sports are already tarnished...clean them up don't be a punk biatch.
 
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Floyd made his own bed. He can go and sleep with the rest of the liars,attorneys and cheats. Punto

I didn't know Lance was offering to bunk with Floyd. How odd. Are you a blonde? That might explain your predicament.
 
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Wonderful advertisement for Australia. A country which already has the microscope on it for the way it treats its immigrants is now saying Landis should be detained at the border and sent home!! Oh dear.

WTF are you on about? Another person who has mistaken what should happen in a civilised society. Illegal immigrants should be deported and denied entry. Do you like queue jumpers? Those who think they can skip ahead and ignore the proper processses? Since Labor took govt our immigration has gotten out of control. 300K per year since 2008 in a country with a population of 21 million is moronic. Not sustainable or suitable for the local housing market. Interest rates and the cash rate take a negative hit...look at Sydney...housing market took a plunge around 2005/2006 and prices were dropping. Labor take govt and a year later housing troubles, particularly for renter worsened. Oh and since the Howard govt left office, illegal boat arrivals have gone berserk. That is people trafficking and smuggling dude. We stopped it...not so much anymore. Look at how baying to minorites has worked in the UK and France. Riots, terrorism, lots of dead people. Minorities rights are never above the average person...except in Europe. Enough revisionist history.

We're not the UK who stupidly joined the EU and bam, overnight 400K extra population on welfare benefits. People come to Australia because hands down it is the best country in the world to live in. Freedom of expression, democratic rule, little class struggle, great climate and chances to progress. Plus our society is the largest multicultural in the world. But that is already well known. Australia's roots are based upon immigration, unless you're one of the few pure blood Aboriginals (their aren't many).

I'll think you'll find Gerrans is a turd. A stinking one at that. He trained with Lance and Levi last year before the tour and then whined that Cervelo left him out of the Tour. He is one of the biggest LA chamois sniffers. Omerta enforcer through and through. Mind you if I ever meet him I'll beat him down for everyone on this forum who hates doping. Plenty of little weasels like him in Australia...they always get their comeuppance. Oh wait, Simon got his this year...**** poor season and all he has done the last few months is mouth off. I'll enjoy watching Cadel beat him down once more when the choker in him arises at the Worlds.
 
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I guess you do not go to the races I go to. Most of the talented riders u23 jrs. are wearing yellow bands or do not want to say jack, and I am not going to say jack to them about doping. the masters look juiced to me. I am sure you have kids. I do to and they have their minds made up about drug use. Do you think Novitsky or LeMond or Landis has the respect of our kids? Do you think Gregs' son listens to Greg about drug use? You are dreaming.

And you sir live in fantasy land.

The races that I go to are full of people that have no interest in Lance at all and are actually mainly supportive of the actions of people like Greg and Floyd.

Maybe its just the case that where I live people are not mindless sheep but can actually think for themselves....

oh, and YES, I DO think that people's children listen to their parents about topics such as drug use in sport. Of course what you appear to be talking about is parents suddenly doing this when the child is 20. Oops - where were you in the first 15 years?
 
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It is OK to talk on the inside but to share truth with outsiders who do not know the truth will turn a lot of fans cyclists parents off. The status quo. innocent or dirty need to know that. People like LeMond and Walsh I imagine do not know the damage they are causing, while individuals like Simeoni and Landis would like to cause anarachy and torch cycling.

It's funny, no - more over disturbing, that you see the problem as being public knowledge about doping (because it will scare off parents from letting their kids ride). Surely it's best if they take part in a sport that is clean? and it can only become clean once the doping problem is acknowledged and handled.

Again; damage is not done by Walsh et al - but by the dopers...
 
The most striking thing about the Landis testimony to me wasn't his doping or the allegations that others on US Postal doped.

It was the fact that he showed absolutely no remorse or regret for doping. So now he goes to this summit meeting for the purpose of eliciting some type of change within the sport?

Not if he appears to be as amoral and unrepentant about his own drug use as he seems.
 
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The most striking thing about the Landis testimony to me wasn't his doping or the allegations that others on US Postal doped.

It was the fact that he showed absolutely no remorse or regret for doping. So now he goes to this summit meeting for the purpose of eliciting some type of change within the sport?

Not if he appears to be as amoral unrepentant about his own drug use as he seems.

I believe he apologised.
 
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I'm with Benotti69 on this. We don't need Floyd to tell us or the conference how bad he feels for doping - it's the information he is capable of divulging that is of value. Besides, Jonathan Vaughters said of Floyd something along the lines of "I thinks he's the least hypocritical person in cycling".

If he doesn't feel bad I don't see how that invlidates what he has to say. I'd even give him credit for saying it like it is rather than trying to reel us in with what he thinks people would like to hear.
 

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Martin318is said:
And you sir live in fantasy land.

The races that I go to are full of people that have no interest in Lance at all and are actually mainly supportive of the actions of people like Greg and Floyd.

Maybe its just the case that where I live people are not mindless sheep but can actually think for themselves....

oh, and YES, I DO think that people's children listen to their parents about topics such as drug use in sport. Of course what you appear to be talking about is parents suddenly doing this when the child is 20. Oops - where were you in the first 15 years?

THAT IS REFRESHING TO HEAR that the kids in the races down under are cleaning it up. I am not a mindless sheep. I never used PEDs and I do not believe in them.

I am pretty sure pro cyclists have always used them. Even before LeMond was born. I have one question. Is that Aussie bloke who won the tour of california this clean these days? Was he clean during his days with T-Mobile.

Will he be speaking at Geelong. Is he spoken about at your local amatuer road races? Is he a cycling hero in your land?
 
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I'm with Benotti69 on this. We don't need Floyd to tell us or the conference how bad he feels for doping - it's the information he is capable of divulging that is of value. Besides, Jonathan Vaughters said of Floyd something along the lines of "I thinks he's the least hypocritical person in cycling".

Why would anyone care what Jonathan Vaughters has to say? He's another tool protecting the code of "omerta". I have even less respect for him because of all the thinly veiled statements he's made over the years without clarifying them. Oh, I forgot-if he had he wouldn't be draped in argyle right now. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Besides, it was Floyd who said he wants to attend this conference to help others. Helping wouldn't be giving a detailed look into how it's done. Helping would be trying to get across that maybe one should show a shred of integrity throughout this process, or that maybe a rider doesn't have to hit rock bottom before he finds religion. Or that maybe you don't have to compromise yourself once you've hit bottom because you can't see yourself with a life outside of cycling, like Joe Papp.


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If he doesn't feel bad I don't see how that invalidates what he has to say. I'd even give him credit for saying it like it is rather than trying to reel us in with what he thinks people would like to hear.

Problem with this is, Landis can elicit absolutely no change. He had no choice other than "don't take dope, don't ride on the Tour team". It is the power brokers who must be taken to task for forcing riders to make this Faustian choice.

And as long as Fat Pat McQuaid and men like him sit on the UCI throne, as long as Dr. Ferarri is still out there working his magic and cats like Bruyneel and now very soon Saiz remain as team directors, we will be revisiting some sort of anti-doping crossroads in another 5-10 years, asking the same questions and receiving the same responses.
 
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Why would anyone care what Jonathan Vaughters has to say? He's another tool protecting the code of "omerta". I have even less respect for him because of all the thinly veiled statements he's made over the years without clarifying them. Oh, I forgot-if he had he wouldn't be draped in argyle right now. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

how many garmin rider's tested posiive? not saying they are clean but there results show they are not up their with known doping teams!

Berzin said:
Besides, it was Floyd who said he wants to attend this conference to help others. Helping wouldn't be giving a detailed look into how it's done. Helping would be trying to get across that maybe one should show a shred of integrity throughout this process, or that maybe a rider doesn't have to hit rock bottom before he finds religion. Or that maybe you don't have to compromise yourself once you've hit bottom because you can't see yourself with a life outside of cycling, like Joe Papp.

the idea that Floyd wanted to attend is a very positive step. he hasn't got a book to sell, which he could have gotten ghost written very quickly to flog on the back of all this publicity. in my opinion he has been quite humble considering the storm his actions have unleashed. he has been welcomed by the committee. if Floyd was what you consider him to be he would not be welcomed anywhere. but i think your opinion is well wide of the mark in Floyd's case.

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Problem with this is, Landis can elicit absolutely no change. He had no choice other than "don't take dope, don't ride on the Tour team". It is the power brokers who must be taken to task for forcing riders to make this Faustian choice.

Floyd's actions have already started a snowball rolling along with the investigation into Rock racing.....whether an avalanche rains down on cycling let's wait and see who the survivors are.

Berzin said:
And as long as Fat Pat McQuaid and men like him sit on the UCI throne, as long as Dr. Ferarri is still out there working his magic and cats like Bruyneel and now very soon Saiz remain as team directors, we will be revisiting some sort of anti-doping crossroads in another 5-10 years, asking the same questions and receiving the same responses.

well McQuaid's and Verbruggen's reputations are firmly in the gutter and i doubt they will come out. The likely hood from all this is the UCI will no longer be in charge of testing riders and that should lead to a cleaner peloton. It will also push some of the bigger race orgnaisers in directions that cater to cleaner racing to save their events, at least i hope so.

Floyd's allegations have only been out there a short time. to affect a real change it needs to be done correctly, and like the feds, thoroughly, or the horse will bolt before you get to close the stable door.
 
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THAT IS REFRESHING TO HEAR that the kids in the races down under are cleaning it up. I am not a mindless sheep. I never used PEDs and I do not believe in them.

I am pretty sure pro cyclists have always used them. Even before LeMond was born. I have one question. Is that Aussie bloke who won the tour of california this clean these days? Was he clean during his days with T-Mobile.

Will he be speaking at Geelong. Is he spoken about at your local amatuer road races? Is he a cycling hero in your land?

more mindless troll than a sheep. you are repeating verbatim the omerta must and will exist in order to justify your fanboyism of Uniballer.
 
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Berzin said:
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Besides, it was Floyd who said he wants to attend this conference to help others. Helping wouldn't be giving a detailed look into how it's done. Helping would be trying to get across that maybe one should show a shred of integrity throughout this process, or that maybe a rider doesn't have to hit rock bottom before he finds religion. Or that maybe you don't have to compromise yourself once you've hit bottom because you can't see yourself with a life outside of cycling, like Joe Papp.

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According to scientists such as Michael Ashenden he has already helped by doing exactly this. Landis has helped scientists understand the strategies cyclists use for evading detection. Who knows, maybe something else he says will be just as useful?
 

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Martin318is said:
garbage! garbage! garbage!

I don't know a single parent of a young rider that is NOT, very happy to hear that LeMond, Landis, et al are doing what they can to clean up the sport. And hearing the seriousness of the details only makes them happier as it gives it strength

It would be a very simple mind indeed to think that the average parent in the street did NOT believe 100% that cycling is a very dirty - drug fuelled sport. This type of publicity regarding efforts to clean up the sport are a positive thing. not a negative.

Where you live 100% of parents think cycling is very dirty & drug filled?

Yikes.

Thank you Greg and Floyd....


I wonder how the parents of Pro cyclists feel about Greg and Floyd.
 
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According to scientists such as Michael Ashenden he has already helped by doing exactly this. Landis has helped scientists understand the strategies cyclists use for evading detection. Who knows, maybe something else he says will be just as useful?

Some of the strongest strategies used to evade detection was the duplicity exhibited by the UCI. How can an anti-doping agency combat ingrained institutional corruption?

They will never come up with a test for that.
 
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Some of the strongest strategies used to evade detection was the duplicity exhibited by the UCI. How can an anti-doping agency combat ingrained institutional corruption?

They will never come up with a test for that.

By riders like Floyd spilling the beans. Simple!