Committee tells conference organiser to drop drug cheat Floyd Landis

[Dr. Maserati]

I simply said he's a cheater and should be viewed with appropriate skepticism. To anoint him truthful and honest at this point is silly. He has many outlets to speak and he has chosen to be silent, Joe Papp has found many ways to be heard.
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Well yes, only one version can be true??? I will reserve judgement if he his truthful today.

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Do you see quotes?

No - you didn't simply say that - you said about Landis:
"Sure, I have no problem with that but he should not be given a break".

Why shouldn't he?
It's an 'anti-doping' conference, he is someone who has confessed to doping and stated they wanted to be a solution to the problem.
There are plenty of other speakers there to question or oppose his views and assess what he says as 'truthful' or not.

 

[JRTinMA]

No - you didn't simply say that - you said about Landis:
"Sure, I have no problem with that but he should not be given a break".

Why shouldn't he?
It's an 'anti-doping' conference, he is someone who has confessed to doping and stated they wanted to be a solution to the problem.
There are plenty of other speakers there to question or oppose his views and assess what he says as 'truthful' or not.

I wrote that I support his attending the conference. Not sure of your point.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I wrote that I support his attending the conference. Not sure of your point.

No - you said Gerrans sounded like a "top guy" and isn't in the 'anti-whistleblowers camp'.
Even though the top guy said this:

''Totally … I hope they get him at Customs and send him back where he came from.''

So, you 'support' Landis being there - and support Gerrans who doesn't want Landis there.

 

[fatandfast]

hey FAF slow down, you're gonna have a seisure and do public stratlies have med insurance for you. chill! suck your yella wrist band, you'll feel better, find your space and breathe, that's it breathe, deeper, good, now do you feel better? Now to release all that anger go surf liestrong...

Hey how did you know I have a yellow wrist band and how did you know I was sucking on it? I hope you don't have a nanny cam at my place and see how I snuggle up to my Lance blow up doll. I already popped my Lanids doll the plastic was really thin and couldn't take much heat. The livestrong surf trip really did make me feel better

 

[JRTinMA]

No - you said Gerrans sounded like a "top guy" and isn't in the 'anti-whistleblowers camp'.
Even though the top guy said this:


So, you 'support' Landis being there - and support Gerrans who doesn't want Landis there.

Yes. Read what Gerrans said, it doesn't put him in the omerta camp. He had an opinion on Landis, you picked one quote out of the story as a lot of other did because it was the most sensational. I respect Gerrans' opinion not to have Landis at the conference because it WILL overshadow the race. His opinion is not mine so I am capable of having my own opinion, I support Landis' attending but as I stated it will be a big bore, like this debate, also an opinion.

 

[BikeCentric]

Gerrans stayed at Armstrong's house in Aspen this past spring and did a lot of pre-Tour training and "preparation" with Big Tex. I think that pretty much says it all:

http://www.simongerrans.com/home/news/

I had a great time training with Lance, Levi and Chris in Colorado last year. I initially planned to do all my training around the roads of Lyons, Boulder and Vail until Levi and Lance suggested that I do a block with them up in Aspen. Aspen was a great place to train and I would really like to get back there in the future. I asked Lance about his plans for next season, however at that point he was more concerned about the Tour de France coming up in only a few weeks.

 

[BikeCentric]

Yes. Read what Gerrans said, it doesn't put him in the omerta camp.

I totally agree dude, verbally attacking a doping whistleblower totally does not put him in the omerta camp! LOL you are a funny one. Put down the crack pipe Son.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I merged the two threads on this same subject.

FWIW, I understand Gerrans statement that it may have been better to invite someone other than Floyd, because Floyd is so controversial. But I think he's a bit mistaken when he says Floyd may upstage the Worlds, or is trying to hijack it. If you step back and look at it, it's doping that is upstaging the Worlds, and cycling itself, as it's been so entrenched to it for the last two decades, and so embraced by so many in it.

Cycling, and cyclists, have no one to blame for themselves on this issue. This is the world they chose, and created.

 

[Benotti69]

I merged the two threads on this same subject.

FWIW, I understand Gerrans statement that it may have been better to invite someone other than Floyd, because Floyd is so controversial. But I think he's a bit mistaken when he says Floyd may upstage the Worlds, or is trying to hijack it. If you step back and look at it, it's doping that is upstaging the Worlds, and cycling itself, as it's been so entrenched to it for the last two decades, and so embraced by so many in it.

Cycling, and cyclists, have no one to blame for themselves on this issue. This is the world they chose, and created.

and with statements like Gerrans continue to create year after year

 

[Anonymous]

Well, this explains it...another Armstrong puppet.

Quote: Gerrans is friendly with Armstrong and that may or may not be a contributory factor in his stance. “'I'm a bit surprised that anyone organising an anti-doping conference around world championships would invite someone who is going to bring so much negative publicity,'' he told journalist Rupert Guinness. “'There are probably plenty of guys out there [who] would have the same impact that Landis would. Yet he is a heck of a lot more controversial.”"

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...-to-Australia-for-anti-doping-conference.aspx

Funny, I cannot think of anyone who would have the same impact. Maybe Simon doesn't read the news much, but I don't think any rider has ever had this big of an impact in regards to exposing the true nature and extent of doping in cycling. For the life of me, in terms of riders, I cannot think of who he could be referring to? Maybe he thinks that if a guy gives $100,000...or was it $500,000...or maybe $25,000 to the UCI for a Sysmex machine, they would have more of an impact?...I have always thought he was a smarmy little railroad toothed wheel sucker, now my opinion has been lowered.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes. Read what Gerrans said, it doesn't put him in the omerta camp. He had an opinion on Landis, you picked one quote out of the story as a lot of other did because it was the most sensational. I respect Gerrans' opinion not to have Landis at the conference because it WILL overshadow the race. His opinion is not mine so I am capable of having my own opinion, I support Landis' attending but as I stated it will be a big bore, like this debate, also an opinion.

Your opinion isn't boring, it's just not consistent - don't feel bad.


I did read what he said, all of it - in fact I quoted it earlier.
So, you would prefer I leave out part of Gerrans quote? The part where he feels Landis should be turned around and sent home?

If Landis is going to be such a bore than how will it overshadow what should be an exciting event?

 

[fatandfast]

I totally agree dude, verbally attacking a doping whistleblower totally does not put him in the omerta camp! LOL you are a funny one. Put down the crack pipe Son.

There is still hope Japan just denied Paris Hilton a visa and she was denied entry..maybe these Aussies will look at Landis's record and give him the swift kick in the crotch that he deserves. Is Landis a combo all the BS lies he told about everything are renamed "whistleblowing"?. This is going to be great for parents and judges " No I'm not a stinkin', f-ckin liar I 'm a whistleblower and there is a difference just ask anybody that hates Armstrong". Reveal bad about Armstrong and all is forgiven..adult coodies..your it

 

[Anonymous]

There is still hope Japan just denied Paris Hilton a visa and she was denied entry..maybe these Aussies will look at Landis's record and give him the swift kick in the crotch that he deserves. Is Landis a combo all the BS lies he told about everything are renamed "whistleblowing"?. This is going to be great for parents and judges " No I'm not a stinkin', f-ckin liar I 'm a whistleblower and there is a difference just ask anybody that hates Armstrong". Reveal bad about Armstrong and all is forgiven..adult coodies..your it

Sorry that your view is so myopic as to render it nothing but laughable. Sucks for you dude.

 

[JRTinMA]

Your opinion isn't boring, it's just not consistent - don't feel bad.


I did read what he said, all of it - in fact I quoted it earlier.
So, you would prefer I leave out part of Gerrans quote? The part where he feels Landis should be turned around and sent home?

If Landis is going to be such a bore than how will it overshadow what should be an exciting event?

Bear with me Captain Slow. Landis a bore at conference, my opinion. Gerrans not wanting Landis at conference, his opinion.

 

[Benotti69]

There is still hope Japan just denied Paris Hilton a visa and she was denied entry..maybe these Aussies will look at Landis's record and give him the swift kick in the crotch that he deserves. Is Landis a combo all the BS lies he told about everything are renamed "whistleblowing"?. This is going to be great for parents and judges " No I'm not a stinkin', f-ckin liar I 'm a whistleblower and there is a difference just ask anybody that hates Armstrong". Reveal bad about Armstrong and all is forgiven..adult coodies..your it

i dont suppose anybody has even considered the idea of procreation with your goodself, so your kids won't need to worry about seeing this. Now take your keyboard rattling off to a Uniballer love in. Flicky, Polish and others are much funnier than you on here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hey how did you know I have a yellow wrist band and how did you know I was sucking on it? I hope you don't have a nanny cam at my place and see how I snuggle up to my Lance blow up doll. I already popped my Lanids doll the plastic was really thin and couldn't take much heat. The livestrong surf trip really did make me feel better

Hah this is funny.

There is still hope Japan just denied Paris Hilton a visa and she was denied entry..maybe these Aussies will look at Landis's record and give him the swift kick in the crotch that he deserves. Is Landis a combo all the BS lies he told about everything are renamed "whistleblowing"?. This is going to be great for parents and judges " No I'm not a stinkin', f-ckin liar I 'm a whistleblower and there is a difference just ask anybody that hates Armstrong". Reveal bad about Armstrong and all is forgiven..adult coodies..your it

On the other hand this is just another example of your standard mindless hatred of Landis. Particularly telling I think is the highlighted part (just before the infantile attempt at 4th grade humor) which seems to put you right back in the category you were begging out of in the previous post.
This suggests to me that you really don't know what you feel from one moment to the next other than that you hate Landis for attempting to break the omerta. Are you one of the Masters customers of Papp?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bear with me Captain Slow. Landis a bore at conference, my opinion. Gerrans not wanting Landis at conference, his opinion.

You forgot to add "in my opinion" - so I'll just accept it as an 'ad hominem'.

Ok, so you agree Gerrans doesn't want Landis at the conference - a reminder of your opinion earlier:

Simon deserves a break in my opinion because I believe he can know LA or ride on the same team as BW and be clean. His results look clean to me and I know of no CREDIBLE links to doping. On top of that he even says he supports the conference, seems like a top guy to me.

Can you bring us up to speed on which 'opinion' you're sticking with?

 

[JRTinMA]

You forgot to add "in my opinion" - so I'll just accept it as an 'ad hominem'.

Ok, so you agree Gerrans doesn't want Landis at the conference - a reminder of your opinion earlier:

Can you bring us up to speed on which 'opinion' you're sticking with?

Nothing conflicting in what I wrote, this is officially boring. No opinion here or last post.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nothing conflicting in what I wrote, this is officially boring. No opinion here or last post.

I am sorry that asking you questions bores you.

When you wrote there's "nothing conflicting in what I wrote" - you forgot to add "in my opinion".
As your position seems conflicted, in particular as you can only respond with 'ad-hominem' remarks.

 

[theswordsman]

Gerrans said

'I'm a bit surprised that anyone organising an anti-doping conference around world championships would invite someone who is going to bring so much negative publicity,'' Gerrans told the Herald. ''There are probably plenty of guys out there [who] would have the same impact that Landis would. Yet he is a heck of a lot more controversial.''

OK. I'll assume for a minute that he meant make the same contribution, because otherwise it would be like Landis was brought in as a guest star or something, like the TDU bringing in Lance.

So - we need a list of guys who are familiar with all the ways people in the peloton have doped lately, have confessed so they're not hiding anything, and won't be coming back from a suspension, so they really are interested in cleaning up the sport. If these guys exist in real life, they should be at the conference too.

Below are some samples from a May ESPN article. They gice a few examples of how Landis has already helped by talking with anti-doping experts. None of these other guys Gerrans imagines came forward with the information about things like injecting EPO into the veins so it was detectable for a shorter period of time.

Let's try to come up with some names of people who could and would bring the same information to the table. David Millar? If he came in knowing doping methods more current than the day he was suspended, and said so on live streaming video, all kinds of red flags would pop up about him and his teammates.

Information Floyd Landis recently gave to the United States Anti-Doping Agency about how cyclists have and still are getting around the biological passport analysis system could have an immediate impact on the sport, according to at least two people with direct knowledge of the system.

Michael Ashenden, a Australian exercise physiologist and blood doping researcher who sits on the nine-man independent panel that reviews biological passport data for UCI (cycling's international governing body), and Dr. Don Catlin, an anti-doping researcher who pioneered methods for steroid detection, both told ESPN.com that Landis' information could be crucial in understanding how cyclists try to beat the system.

All that may sound like science fiction, but according to Ashenden, Landis has probably provided a key piece of the puzzle that has vexed him and his peers for a long time: Why some riders' blood values remained within a unusually narrow range, a pattern that was suspicious in and of itself but not generally subject to sanctions.

"We've known they're doing something, especially in the last year," Ashenden said. "It's still brazen beyond belief." He believes a small intravenous dose of EPO would remain detectable in a urine sample for at least six hours, even if an athlete is diluting his blood.

Ashenden recently completed a study in which he injected subjects intravenously twice weekly with microdoses of EPO over a period of three months, then ran their blood values through the biological passport software. "Not one of them failed," he said.

Catlin said Landis' account matches anecdotal accounts he has heard through the years, "although I've never had it described as vividly," he said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5222488

 

[Martin318is]

Lets keep it on topic, people.

thanks,
martin

 

[theswordsman]

New Pathways For Pro Cycling Conference Program
Monday 27 September

Session 1

9.00am Conference registration: Geelong Performing Arts Centre Foyer.

10.00am Conference Opening and Welcome: Professor Jane den Hollander, Vice-Chancellor, Deakin University.

10.20am Report Presentation and Discussion: “I wish I was Twenty One Today – Beyond Doping in the Australian Peloton” – Martin Hardie, Claudio Bozzi and David Shilbury.

11.00am MorningTea

11.20am Report Presentation and Discussion: “I wish I was Twenty One Today – Beyond Doping in the Australian Peloton” – Martin Hardie, Claudio Bozzi and David Shilbury.

12.30 noon Lunch

Session 2

1.30pm Ken Mansell: “Sustaining domestic traditions in a globalised cycling universe.”

2.00pm Paul J. Hayes: “The Olympic Edition Cereal Box: WADA, the IOC and the World Anti-Doping Code”.

2.30 pm Break

3.00 pm Biological Passport Forum: Including Michael Ashenden, Klaas Faber, Andy Layhe & Paul J. Hayes and others.

4.30 pm Adjourn
Tuesday 28 September

Session 1

11.00 am Deakin Bike Project Launch: Edge Café, Waterfront.

12.00 noon Lunch

Session 2

1.00 pm Verner Moller: “When Good Intentions Turn Bad – The Michael Rasmussen case”.

1.45 pm Carlos Arribas: “Voices from the European peloton”

2.30 pm afternoon tea.

3.00 pm Where to Now for Cycling?
Panel Discussion: including Floyd Landis, Michael Ashenden, Michael Drapac, Andy Layhe and others.

4.30 pm Closing Thanks.

Location: Blakiston Drama Theatre, Geelong Performing Arts Centre, 50 Little Malop Street, Geelong VIC, 3220 [Map]

Admission Free

http://www.newcyclingpathway.com/conference/conference-program

 

[JPM London]

Gerrans stayed at Armstrong's house in Aspen this past spring and did a lot of pre-Tour training and "preparation" with Big Tex. I think that pretty much says it all:

http://www.simongerrans.com/home/news/

Well, it doesn't really... Unless you assume that any rider, from any team, that LA happens to take a ride with is then automatically invited and included in LA's "preparation" regime. With all the revelations over the time, what it seems from both Landis and Andreu you'd have to be in the inner circle to be included in anything. However, I agree it doesn't look good!

I merged the two threads on this same subject.

FWIW, I understand Gerrans statement that it may have been better to invite someone other than Floyd, because Floyd is so controversial. But I think he's a bit mistaken when he says Floyd may upstage the Worlds, or is trying to hijack it. If you step back and look at it, it's doping that is upstaging the Worlds, and cycling itself, as it's been so entrenched to it for the last two decades, and so embraced by so many in it.

Cycling, and cyclists, have no one to blame for themselves on this issue. This is the world they chose, and created.

Agree 100% - It's so incredibly annoying that so many cycling insiders seem to believe that it's the talking about doping that will drive people away from the sport and not the doping itself. Funnily enough the talking about doping is actually keeping me closer to the sport as you at least feel it's not being ignored.

Another funny thing - If LA were to say he'd be happy to ride the TDU next year they'd probably love it! So from an organising point of view FL is considered bad news while LA is good news - although he's the one being investigated currently...

Funny, I cannot think of anyone who would have the same impact. Maybe Simon doesn't read the news much, but I don't think any rider has ever had this big of an impact in regards to exposing the true nature and extent of doping in cycling.

Ditto! In fact, there are probably hundreds of riders they could call in who would have no impact whatsoever...

 

[Anonymous]

bikepure press release re: new pathways
http://bikepure.org/2010/09/‘new-pathways-for-pro-cycling’-conference-melbourne/

 

[JPM London]

bikepure press release re: new pathways
http://bikepure.org/2010/09/‘new-pathways-for-pro-cycling’-conference-melbourne/

Well considered words from Layhe in my opinion...