ContadorÂ’s legal team hit back at WADA report

[Señor_Contador]

Wow - WADA build roads and schools, how do they find the time?

WADA is not paid with 'tax dollars' - it is funded by the IOC and they are not paid on the amount of positive tests that come about nor indeed do they even sanction athletes.

I wasn't talking about WADA. When I made a reference to my tax dollars I was referring to Jeff Novitzky and his anti-doping crusade.

I sincerely wish these prosecutors gave crooked and corrupt politicians one tenth of their attention.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Hey Burro! Rhetoric, they found a banned substance that should not be there, cause it's banned. Dumbing down? like most of your posts

Listen little guido "burro" is not equivalent to "gumbah" so I ask you to tame it down a bit or I will get medieval on your mozzarella a$$.

That substance should not be there. We all agree on that. It's the how it got there that we do not agree with. That does not mean Alberto does not have a right to explain himself and raise doubt.

As i recall he doesn't get paid for dragging a sport he professes to love through the mud. He could easily have done a Bill strickland and made money on the fraud that the sport was and appeas to still be, compliments of Alberto.

No, that's where you're wrong: It's the likes of Contador, Pantani and Armstrong that make the sport great. It's the ones whose job is to find mud that drag it through the mud.

Testing positive for a banned substance is testing positive, ie doping

No, testing positive IS NOT doping. Two different things. If you do not know the difference then maybe you shouldn't be giving your opinion, you should be reading and informing yourself first.

so 'doping has always been present' but testing positive for a banned substance is not doping.

Yes. As far back as you like you can find people taking stuff to improve athletic performance. It has long been suspected that people like Merckx and Anquetil were heavy amphetamine users. Ocaña has also talked about a red little pill his directeur sportiff used to given him on the mountain stages, et cetera.

and you already knew what Kimmage was telling us? so why did you not make loads of money and become rich by telling everyone before Kimmage made oh so much money on a little book published years ago. you could've have sponsored Team Contador all on your own.

Because it's not my job to inform you of anything. If you can't connect the dots yourself then you should think twice about bringing another human being like you to this world.

 

[Señor_Contador]

If things worked the way Señor_Contador wanted there would be no journalists writing about doping so he wouldn't have the money to sponsor a team.

No, they would be talking about cycling, not the doping part (or both).

How much time do you think reporters spend talking about soccer and doping? Go ahead, do the research.

 

[Señor_Contador]

I think the meat was from Spain so it doesn't matter if US cattle has 152 banned substances in them.

You're late to the conversation buddy!

We know the meat may be from Spain, but had you bothered to read the previous posts, I was merely trying to make the point that it is possible to test positive after you eat a steak. I wasn't saying that the meat Contador ingested was from the US...

I think it's Contador's job to prove that the meat had Clenbuterol in it if the tests carried out by the EU already show that clenbuterol use is not widespread in European cattle. Do you say that the EU should've tested every single animal for Clen for you to believe them?

Well, if the EU certifies that it is sure, withing 95% confidence, that the meat consumed in the EU has no clenbuterol then I will believe WADA. If they can't then I firmly believe it is not approppriate to jump to conclusions.

Ehm, it's PROVEN that he had Clenbuterol in his system. They don't have to prove that he was blood doping since he already got busted for a banned substance. So it would be more like "Guilty unless proven innocent"

He's tested positive. That DOES NOT mean he has doped. Two different things many of you do not understand.

And you are willing to bet money on that?

Money on what? That he hasn't doped? Why do you need to wager money? Is the truth, your truth, equal to money?

 

[Benotti69]

Listen little guido "burro" is not equivalent to "gumbah" so I ask you to tame it down a bit or I will get medieval on your mozzarella a$$.

Ok my filete de poco dopados..

That substance should not be there. We all agree on that. It's the how it got there that we do not agree with. That does not mean Alberto does not have a right to explain himself and raise doubt.

No? what about the plasticizers? get a life and see the truth.

No, that's where you're wrong: It's the likes of Contador, Pantani and Armstrong that make the sport great. It's the ones whose job is to find mud that drag it through the mud.

there's three riders who have tarnished the sport with their cheating.

No, testing positive IS NOT doping. Two different things. If you do not know the difference then maybe you shouldn't be giving your opinion, you should be reading and informing yourself first.

Ok keep perpetuating the UCI line and live in cloud cuckoo land if you so wish.

Yes. As far back as you like you can find people taking stuff to improve athletic performance. It has long been suspected that people like Merckx and Anquetil were heavy amphetamine users. Ocaña has also talked about a red little pill his directeur sportiff used to given him on the mountain stages, et cetera

So does that justify it's ok to dope and cheat. Merckx did so Contador can do it. Not on my planet.

Because it's not my job to inform you of anything. If you can't connect the dots yourself then you should think twice about bringing another human being like you to this world.

I can connect the dots very well. Clenbuterol.....Plasticizers = doping

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ok my filete de poco dopados..

Uhm.........whut?

No? what about the plasticizers? get a life and see the truth.

Senor Flicker....uhm, I mean Senor Contador seems to have a Fanboy affliction.

there's three riders who have tarnished the sport with their cheating.

Not very hard to name another hundred, is it. But mostly we have the good old UCI to thank.

Ok keep perpetuating the UCI line and live in cloud cuckoo land if you so wish.

Move along nothing to see here.

So does that justify it's ok to dope and cheat. Merckx did so Contador can do it. Not on my planet.

You know I was wondering how long it would be before the Conti fanboys got to the last stand of the Lance fanboys. "It's OK because everybody does it."

I can connect the dots very well. Clenbuterol.....Plasticizers = doping
To simplify, win a GT (at least) = doping.

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[Benotti69]

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Hey Hugh if you want to scribble over my posts at least use a nice red

Ok my filete de poco dopados..

Spanish for little doped steak, but maybe i should looked up fre......

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hey Hugh if you want to scribble over my posts at least use a nice red

Red is so last week.

 

[Benotti69]

Red is so last week.

ah but we are talking about steak

 

[Señor_Contador]

Hey Hugh if you want to scribble over my posts at least use a nice red



Spanish for little doped steak, but maybe i should looked up fre......

No little Carmine from Bensonhurst... if you want to say it in Spanish it would be filete de ternera dopado.

Get your facts straight. All of them.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Ok my filete de poco dopados..

Whatever you tutti-frutti finocchio.

No? what about the plasticizers? get a life and see the truth.

The plasticizers is a test that I've already wrote about in this forum and said that according to Jordi Segura, the guy who developed the test, has said in public (Marca) that his test has not been developed enough for use in sports. The guy who created the test is telling WADA not to use the friggin test!

there's three riders who have tarnished the sport with their cheating.

That's your opinion. They were, and are, great champions.

Ok keep perpetuating the UCI line and live in cloud cuckoo land if you so wish.

You know what, you guys are as ignorant as they come.

So does that justify it's ok to dope and cheat. Merckx did so Contador can do it. Not on my planet.

I'm not justifying it, I'm adding to my comment that doping has been with us for many, many years.

I can connect the dots very well. Clenbuterol.....Plasticizers = doping

ONLY if they enhance athletic ability. We know plasticizers dont. And the 50 picograms Contador tested positive for can't be considered doping since 50 picograms do not enhance sh*t.

Capisci?

 

[Benotti69]

Whatever you tutti-frutti finocchio.

The plasticizers is a test that I've already wrote about in this forum and said that according to Jordi Segura, the guy who developed the test, has said in public (Marca) that his test has not been developed enough for use in sports. The guy who created the test is telling WADA not to use the friggin test!

That's your opinion. They were, and are, great champions.

You know what, you guys are as ignorant as they come.

I'm not justifying it, I'm adding to my comment that doping has been with us for many, many years.

ONLY if they enhance athletic ability. We know plasticizers dont. And the 50 picograms Contador tested positive for can't be considered doping since 50 picograms do not enhance sh*t.

Capisci?

Si io capisco, quando io sento un fanboy e madonna que cattivo odore

you are starting a new phase in the clinic and that is blind devotion to Contador following on from the blind devotion to Armstrong. Bravo!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Whatever you tutti-frutti finocchio.



The plasticizers is a test that I've already wrote about in this forum and said that according to Jordi Segura, the guy who developed the test, has said in public (Marca) that his test has not been developed enough for use in sports. The guy who created the test is telling WADA not to use the friggin test!



That's your opinion. They were, and are, great champions.



You know what, you guys are as ignorant as they come.



I'm not justifying it, I'm adding to my comment that doping has been with us for many, many years.



ONLY if they enhance athletic ability. We know plasticizers dont. And the 50 picograms Contador tested positive for can't be considered doping since 50 picograms do not enhance sh*t.
Capisci?

This is your problem - you have already shown you are a doping apologist, thats your right, but ANY clenbuterol is considered doping - it is why there is no threshold.

Contador A positive, B positive - now its up to him to show how the Clen got in his system to avoid a 2 year ban.

 

[Oldman]

This is your problem - you have already shown you are a doping apologist, thats your right, but ANY clenbuterol is considered doping - it is why there is no threshold.

Contador A positive, B positive - now its up to him to show how the Clen got in his system to avoid a 2 year ban.

This guy just keeps ignoring that fact. It's like saying the lead in a bullet poses no threat because it's so small.

 

[sagard]

Si io capisco, quando io sento un fanboy e madonna que cattivo odore

you are starting a new phase in the clinic and that is blind devotion to Contador following on from the blind devotion to Armstrong. Bravo!

When riders are as clean as Contador and Armstrong, of course their fans are going to support them.

 

[Wallace]

When riders are as clean as Contador and Armstrong, of course their fans are going to support them.

I don't know anything about Contador's hygiene, but since Lance takes a good twenty minute shower before each drug test, I'd guess there isn't a spot of dirt anywhere on or in him.

 

[webvan]

Not to mention he probably rinsed himself inside out too, bladder and all...yuck !

This is your problem - you have already shown you are a doping apologist, thats your right, but ANY clenbuterol is considered doping - it is why there is no threshold.

Contador A positive, B positive - now its up to him to show how the Clen got in his system to avoid a 2 year ban.

And that's pretty lenient actually, the rules have no provision for "accidental ingestion" of doping products, and there is a good reason for that. Look at how many guys have been banned for ingestion of "dietary supplements" that contained banned products, yeah, they took it of their own accord, but (if one buys into his "contamination" theory, I don't) Contador also chose to eat that meat, no one rammed it down his throat, so what's the difference? None !

 

[c&cfan]

wow..

lots of you have serious problems right?

the way you see and argue this stuff, damn.. i wouldnt be surprised if some of you "wiki doctors" were all pity persons.

when you want, you only read words, without giving your own perspective (at least, a decent one) etc.

yes, 50pico cant be seen as doping, because doping means taking something that makes you perform better, and that dose doesnt make sh*t. however, you, contador's and other champions haters (besides merckx and hinault, the ones that were able to win more with doping), are only reading the words, without logic, decent perspective, etc.

i agree that even if that dose isnt seen as doping, it still is a banned substance. a banned substance that didnt made alberto perform better. so, two years and the lost of the tour?no. obviously. why taking the tour title from him?

alberto's defence is stronger than you think (or want to think). the meat claims are much more possible than you think. and you guys know it.. still, because you are all reject cyclists, or just rejected persons, or just because you dont have what to do during your day, you say that alberto is a cheater so he must be banned.

i say that it is very likely that he wont be banned. he wasnt doping, meat claims possible, he trained and raced to be the best, he deserves to be treated as the best, so...

(just because the others were doping, does contador has the right to be doping?hell no.. but just because WADA only did sh*t to "smaller" cyclists, do they have the right to do the same to contador?hell no..)

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if contador is banned, you will do the same to andy(the one with the brother linked to cera or epo and the (maybe yes, maybe no) dealer of his father) and then to nibali, etc etc. you dont like cycling, you like to see champions going down.
i hope you enjoy watch contador winning the tour again..

by the way

plasticizers= gossip, for now at least.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Senor Contador and c&cfan, would you two please take it down a notch? Insulting other forum users with whom you disagree is not acceptable.

This is an official warning.

Susan

 

[c&cfan]

Senor Contador and c&cfan, would you two please take it down a notch? Insulting other forum users with whom you disagree is not acceptable.

This is an official warning.

Susan

sorry pussycat

 

[Ferminal]

wow..

lots of you have serious problems right?

the way you see and argue this stuff, damn.. i wouldnt be surprised if some of you "wiki doctors" were all pity persons.

when you want, you only read words, without giving your own perspective (at least, a decent one) etc.

yes, 50pico cant be seen as doping, because doping means taking something that makes you perform better, and that dose doesnt make sh*t. however, you, contador's and other champions haters (besides merckx and hinault, the ones that were able to win more with doping), are only reading the words, without logic, decent perspective, etc.

i agree that even if that dose isnt seen as doping, it still is a banned substance. a banned substance that didnt made alberto perform better. so, two years and the lost of the tour?no. obviously. why taking the tour title from him?

alberto's defence is stronger than you think (or want to think). the meat claims are much more possible than you think. and you guys know it.. still, because you are all reject cyclists, or just rejected persons, or just because you dont have what to do during your day, you say that alberto is a cheater so he must be banned.

i say that it is very likely that he wont be banned. he wasnt doping, meat claims possible, he trained and raced to be the best, he deserves to be treated as the best, so...

(just because the others were doping, does contador has the right to be doping?hell no.. but just because WADA only did sh*t to "smaller" cyclists, do they have the right to do the same to contador?hell no..)

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if contador is banned, you will do the same to andy(the one with the brother linked to cera or epo and the (maybe yes, maybe no) dealer of his father) and then to nibali, etc etc. you dont like cycling, you like to see champions going down.
i hope you enjoy watch contador winning the tour again..

by the way

plasticizers= gossip, for now at least.

Well, WADA says otherwise, and they were the rules (still are) at the time the sample was taken. As far as I'm aware WADA have given no indication of the rules regarding clen being changed anytime soon.

Please don't take it out on forum members if you have a problem with that, your beef is with WADA, not the people who simply believe that the letter of the law should be enforced.

 

[sniper]

by the way

plasticizers= gossip, for now at least.

In cycling, where there is smoke, there is fire. We've seen that with the gossiping about EPO in the nineties, and we will see (/are seeing) it now with Contador and Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

wow..

lots of you have serious problems right?

the way you see and argue this stuff, damn.. i wouldnt be surprised if some of you "wiki doctors" were all pity persons.

when you want, you only read words, without giving your own perspective (at least, a decent one) etc.

yes, 50pico cant be seen as doping, because doping means taking something that makes you perform better, and that dose doesnt make sh*t. however, you, contador's and other champions haters (besides merckx and hinault, the ones that were able to win more with doping), are only reading the words, without logic, decent perspective, etc.

i agree that even if that dose isnt seen as doping, it still is a banned substance. a banned substance that didnt made alberto perform better. so, two years and the lost of the tour?no. obviously. why taking the tour title from him?

alberto's defence is stronger than you think (or want to think). the meat claims are much more possible than you think. and you guys know it.. still, because you are all reject cyclists, or just rejected persons, or just because you dont have what to do during your day, you say that alberto is a cheater so he must be banned.

i say that it is very likely that he wont be banned. he wasnt doping, meat claims possible, he trained and raced to be the best, he deserves to be treated as the best, so...

(just because the others were doping, does contador has the right to be doping?hell no.. but just because WADA only did sh*t to "smaller" cyclists, do they have the right to do the same to contador?hell no..)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

if contador is banned, you will do the same to andy(the one with the brother linked to cera or epo and the (maybe yes, maybe no) dealer of his father) and then to nibali, etc etc. you dont like cycling, you like to see champions going down.
i hope you enjoy watch contador winning the tour again..

by the way

plasticizers= gossip, for now at least.

50pico is what was found and any traces of clenubuterol means a positive test. End of. Traces of banned substances strongly implies PED use. whether the athlete or the team doctor did not manage to remove all traces of the PED is very likely.

This is the clinic for discussing the doping in cycling. If you dont like it don't post. but dont get upset with posters who have read the evidence and made posts about it. Argue the other side in a reasonable manner. THe sport has been rife with doping. The UCI has been shown to be corrupt. Argue that it is cleaner but show some evidence without name calling. Senór Contador is not doing this.

 

[Señor_Contador]

wow..

lots of you have serious problems right?

the way you see and argue this stuff, damn.. i wouldnt be surprised if some of you "wiki doctors" were all pity persons.

when you want, you only read words, without giving your own perspective (at least, a decent one) etc.

yes, 50pico cant be seen as doping, because doping means taking something that makes you perform better, and that dose doesnt make sh*t. however, you, contador's and other champions haters (besides merckx and hinault, the ones that were able to win more with doping), are only reading the words, without logic, decent perspective, etc.

i agree that even if that dose isnt seen as doping, it still is a banned substance. a banned substance that didnt made alberto perform better. so, two years and the lost of the tour?no. obviously. why taking the tour title from him?

alberto's defence is stronger than you think (or want to think). the meat claims are much more possible than you think. and you guys know it.. still, because you are all reject cyclists, or just rejected persons, or just because you dont have what to do during your day, you say that alberto is a cheater so he must be banned.

i say that it is very likely that he wont be banned. he wasnt doping, meat claims possible, he trained and raced to be the best, he deserves to be treated as the best, so...

(just because the others were doping, does contador has the right to be doping?hell no.. but just because WADA only did sh*t to "smaller" cyclists, do they have the right to do the same to contador?hell no..)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

if contador is banned, you will do the same to andy(the one with the brother linked to cera or epo and the (maybe yes, maybe no) dealer of his father) and then to nibali, etc etc. you dont like cycling, you like to see champions going down.
i hope you enjoy watch contador winning the tour again..

by the way

plasticizers= gossip, for now at least.

Exactly. It's not that clenbuterol is not supposed to be in your blood, we all know it shouldn't, it's that the medical community acknowledges the possibility that 50 picograms can come from pretty much anything, a cycle of clenbuterol tapering off, a contaminated steak or a twinkie. We already know it's not a cycle taper-off because Alberto was tested days before and he did not test positive for clen. We already know about steak-gate.

What WADA should be looking for is the guys putting 10-60mcg/day into their system. If they happen to get tested during a cycle I can guarantee you that, unless you put the little red grainy pill in you pecker and drop it in the cup as you're peeing, you will test positive for clenbuterol at amounts 1,000,000 higher than those found in Contador's sample.

You also have the plasticizers story. We also know that Jordi Segura (the person who developed the test) has opined against the use of the test in sports because it is not developed enough.

I mean, if you're going to bust someone... My belief is that you have to come up with really incrimitating evidence, otherwise do not embark in a publicity stunt that ends up hurting cycling as a whole.

As I said, doping issues within cycling are best if dealt with internally, not in the public domain.

And on another note, if people were ¼ aware of WADA's hit and misses record, the public outcry would be so huge it would be closed the very next day.

I have ZERO respect for WADA or the people that work for WADA.

 

[c&cfan]

50pico is what was found and any traces of clenubuterol means a positive test. End of. Traces of banned substances strongly implies PED use. whether the athlete or the team doctor did not manage to remove all traces of the PED is very likely.

This is the clinic for discussing the doping in cycling. If you dont like it don't post. but dont get upset with posters who have read the evidence and made posts about it. Argue the other side in a reasonable manner. THe sport has been rife with doping. The UCI has been shown to be corrupt. Argue that it is cleaner but show some evidence without name calling. Senór Contador is not doing this.

50pico=positive=\=doping. because that amount didnt made alberto perform better.
the way you read the rules.. what about commom sense?? what about perspective?

strongly implies ped use?they cant do sh*t if they dont find those peds! just because they were able to do the "it's likely that you dope, so you are f*cked" to other cyclists doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador.. just like contador hasnt the right to dope just because merckx anquetil hinault armstrong indurain and MAYBE shleck did that.

the meat defence is strong. even if contador is the biggest liar and the biggest doper in the world no one can ban him with the "it's likely that you are.."

you wanna know the real problem here?? if they dont ban contador (it is the right thing to do, not ban him), they will have to do the right thing number 2. admit that they were wrong with the chinese guy and others. admiting that there are differences between cycling and other sports in the way WADA works.

everybody was laughing about the history of the kiss... look what happened. etc etc.

sniper

even if that is 100% true, WADA cant do a thing about it. so it is just gossip for the "wiki" doctors.


ferminal

there is one rule above the others.. comom sense. that's why this isnt finished already.
you and others seem to forget that.